Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by jackson vile, May 19, 2011.
If no one took PEDs then Federer would win everything.
What if everybody would take them.
Something else, the latest on Lance Armstrong. Never failed a dope test.
Then it would be like the 100m in Beijing.
In my opinion we should allow the use of some PED's as long as it's well monitored by doctors. It might well be healthier for the athletes in the end.
The reason I posted the Lance Armstrong story is that throughout history big stars (e.g. Carl Lewis) have been protected by the federations. And cyclists get much more doping checks than any other sportsman. If what Hamilton said is true these cyclists still have been able to get away with it.
It's interesting that two European players top the list here while the USA has been the country that has earned so many gold medals through doping in the last decades because of lax controls.
Did the Rochus bros dope?
Christophe when he retired said that cheating was widespread, and that he'd got a warning letter from the ATP for making these statements before.
The testing system sounds so so ineffective, especially with the vast majority of tests being done in competition. Really, anyone could be doping to some extent. There is too much money in the sport at stake to think otherwise. And it's not like we'd be told about it if the best players were caught out, barring whistleblowers. Personally I'm not familiar with the effects of different PEDs so I don't speculate on individuals. There are a few players who would surprise me if they were involved in a scandal, such as Roddick, having been so vehemently outspoken about it.
If everyone took them in equal doses, then again Allfred would win everything.
Sadly, those who suspect their own hero of doping make it look like everyone is doping, so what's the big deal.
From this list I suspect pretty much all of them, Melzer the least.
It's a fact that the testing system in tennis is outdated and flawed. And it's a fact that even with the best systems like in cycling not nearly all PED users can be caught.
It's naive to think that athletes of a physically brutal sport like tennis would not use such advantages when they know that they won't be tested positive...
Agreed. But this thread is full of slurs and accusations upon players that may not be using PEDs.
However, some snot nosed 13 year old kid on a tennis board making accusations (with nil foundation) about a professional athletes PED use is not cool.
That's my gripe with this thread. The purpose of the thread with the poll is obviously devious :twisted:. Especially since it's a poll with only one choice possible which does not fit the question asked.
You can speak in general terms but to name players without ANY evidence is defamation.
We can only name people like Puerta, Pantani, Carl Lewis, all those baseball players.
Interesting to note that Nadal had to be touched up in photoshop by Armani. He's not muscular enough, too athletically built. In contrast to a football player such as C Ronaldo...
It's either all of them or none.
By the way, this should be a multiple-choice poll.
LOL... Nadal = 45%....
jackson pile fails
what was the pile of feces expecting?
Rofl Nadal wins with a slight edge !!!
A couple months back it would have been a beatdown at 76%. Mr. Vile was hoping Noel would win here, but sorry.
Perhaps its just good Mr. Vile did not make this multiple choice -- he's sorely regretting that surely.
No one suspects Ferrer of doping?
What, the smoking, grunting, Spanish dwarf who magically beat Nadal in the QF?
Of course he's doping...
Probably even more than Noel...
I think it is just as Lsmkenpo says it is.
All of the players abuse PEDs to the extent it is allowed by the ATP - and some of the allowed volumes exceed the normal quantities of certain substances multiple times. Everybody's got a doctor and without his/her help top player can't last for years in the top. Btw, the regulation of the forbidden substances is almost always 5 years behind. It is a huge industry and I reckon the players in any sport benefit from this industry and it is perfectly legal for them with the existing regulations.
I also remember when Federer wanted them to increase the level of drugs testing in the ATP.
I remember Nadal wanted them to DEcrease the level of drug testing in the ATP.
He probably got used to it by now,failing hard has become almost a routine for him.
All I have to say is Tyler Hamilton folks. But go ahead and believe that top athletes are not involved in PED use!
Tyler Hamilton, Adreu and now Hincapie are all giving Lance up.
Its only a matter of time.
Real shocker that Lance used PED's!
Lance will probably not suffer any consequences from all these new accusations.
I believe a commonly used PED would be HGH in the ATP. It's not detectable and makes you a greater athlete. It helps healing injuries, recover faster and it's the only drug that can make you grow new muscle cells. You do not get big muscles on HGH alone but you become very fit with lean muscles. Fish can't be using PED? Actually, HGH will make you lose fat and the older you are, the more benefits you get from HGH. It reverses the aging effect and you get a new improved stamina almost impossible to achieve at that age.
What is there to prove really? Armstrong had testicular cancer his body wasn't producing testosterone anymore, so he had a legitimate medical excuse to take a PED, without it he wouldn't have had a normal life let alone been able to compete as an athlete. He was allowed to take testosterone.
So, the only thing left is the EPO allegation.
Oh, the guy who's 40 yrs old and trying to sell a book. Nothing says Credibility like that... (rolling my eyes right back at you - and I'm no fan of Lance - he's a shameless self-promoter who dumped his wife to jump on a variety of younger women - if you get married you gotta do the time...)
@Hidious, they can test for HGH. On the wada.org site "...HGH testing was first used at the '04 Summer Olympics..." and the NFL owners want HGH testing in the new CBA (in addition to all the money issues that are probably going to mean missed NFL games this fall...).
Bothers me that someone - Joker - starts playing well and all the anonymous Keyboard Warriors come out with the 'must be cheating' stuff. I'm fairly cynical and if he had been mired in the 40 to 50 in the rankings, then showed up in January and started this roll, I might jump on the bandwagon. But he was #3! And it was pretty obvious most of his issues were always between the ears. Isn't it possible he just finally 'got it'?
If you get married you gotta do the time? Who knew marriage was a prison sentence? This is the 21st century. If you aren't happy in a marriage you get out.
Re the Djokovic thing, I am not saying anything about Djokovic specifically using anything, not at all. My thoughts are more general than merely Djokovic or any one player. I think that PED's are widespread in the sports world.
If you don't think so, that is fine. Whatever floats your boat as they say.
P.S. Hamilton's accusations are not the first on Armstrong. Where there is smoke there is usually fire.
@cc0509, not a prison sentence - but definitely a serious commitment. Lance hit the big time and left the wife with the kids - while possible, hard to believe after that many years she went nutters.
And you're entitled to your opinion, cynical as it might be. You, and the others, make it sound like it's so easy to create new designer drugs that aren't detectable. Or are you in the group that thinks the ATP is in on it and makes sure the top guys' tests come up negative?
I agree with you that marriage is a serious commitment. Just thought it was strange how you worded it--"once you are in it, can't get out."
Re the ATP being in on it, I have not really thought it through in that much detail. I do think the ATP is in on cover ups so that the public never finds out that their top stars are involved in PED use if they happen to fail a drug test. You can call it cynical; I call it realistic.
Top 3 pros are top 3 in this pool.
People on this forum see tennis as a clean sport ...
Why do two of the same polls show different results? :???:
What was the other poll? I really don't get all the Novak and Nadal hate, why do Federer fans hate anyone with success? Bad mouthing Delpo was not a good thing either.
Resurrecting/bumping your own thread by responding to a banned member.
LOLville, you're hilarious.
He takes his Federer hating very seriously.
I know this is an old thread but....I have to say I wouldn't be surprised to find out that many pro tennis players have used PEDs to some degree. Between training and all the matches they play week in and week out the amount of punishment their bodies take is off the charts. I could see them taking PEDs to speed up the recovery process.
Trolville probably takes himself very seriously, lol.
No way for Fed. He clearly doesnt have the endurance and doesnt train like a madman. He is the only one of the top ten that wont get into a baseline grind fest. He also has no real down trend in his season that would indicate the kind of drug cycle that the article talks about.
I dont think Fish either unless we count diet pills. The guy just lost a ton of weight.
And Nadal is leading the poll...what a surprise....
Nadal of course. He cheats in many other ways. Why not take roids as well.
this is cute coming from you!!!
He is actually coming out as quite a good comedian. the total absense of racionalization and the blatant bending of facts makes is skits(poasts) like a great mixture of The Office & Faulty Towers... 50% modern wit + 49% physical humour + 1 % natural stupidity
Guys like you sound just like the people insisting back in 2000 that no one in baseball was juicing. "theyve failed no tests" "you have no proof" "PEDs wouldnt help in this sport" Its ridiculous to not be suspicious when guys in every other sport have been caught cheating.
you can always leave.... in fact us the frustrated haters wouldnt mind at all!
IMHO I think that Top players are more scrutinized than lower ranked ones so, at the moment the Top ones, I believe, are free of PEDs but... when these were low ranked players I think they took some kind of PEDs at some point.
Ken Rosewall definitely did PEDs. No way you can hit 120 mph backhands without PEDS.
pressure equipment directive?
I voted for Ferrer since no one else had and I felt sorry for him
Spadea did a whole can of Red bull once, cus he gott'em mad skilz ay?
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