Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by FedExpress117, Apr 5, 2014.
very true. I wish someone kept track of his shanks.
Nadal - best player ever to never win the ATP World Tour Final?
Of the players eligible, one could make a case for Rod Laver as well. He was the Masters runner-up (in a pure round robin event) in 1970. He never won the event, although he certainly had fewer prime opportunities than Nadal.
Either way, being a great player but not having won a particular tournament is not a "record." It could be a feat, although a negative one. Maybe someone is keeping track of the record for most times having played the event without winning it, but that's not Nadal either, at least not yet. Nadal is 0-6; Wilander was 0-7. Someone else might have done even worse.
Rafa's 81 match winning streak on clay.
The Golden Set.
Even Rafa or Fed couldn't pull it off against Donald Young.
Why? Whether you miss by a mm or 20 yards it's the same result, at least the last time I checked.
Can you keep track of how many set Nadal won at the 2009 WTF ?
Yes, those are excellent records! I'll also mention that Ivan Lendl reached eight U.S. Open finals in a row, while winning three titles.
Most consecutive sets won at a slam...Borg @RG, 41 ('79-'81). The closest anyone has come is Fed @SW19, 34 ('05-'06).
Oh, so you like to compartimentalize your records, don't you? Kind of like saying that Nadal only holds the record for most wins at the French for the open era. Sad, really.
Most career match wins on clay: Vilas, 644.
Second is Orantes, 454.
Nadal is tied for tenth at 298.
Winning a MS1000 without losing serve or a set: only once has this happened!
Can you guess who and when?
Unfortunately, it's not the great Thomas Johansson, so I'll venture another guess: that no-name second-rate Swiss player at the Real Slam(TM) 2012?
That should be (TBOM)...trade "bionic one" mark. edbergvolleys got you by a minute, though.
Most match wins in a year...Vilas, 145 ('77).
Impossible to do that now.
Bjorn Borg has a 41 match win streak at Wimbledon. Federer is at 40 with one walk over. Plus, Borg won Wimbledon without losing a set in 1976.
vilas and borg set some unthinkable records for modern day players......
Laver was 32 when the first WTF was played. Can't imagine him not winning it in his sleep if it had started 10 years earlier.
Regarding Nadal, he still has a good chance to win it one day. Anyone who can get to the final twice can win it.
See post #109...Borg's RG'80 win also was unblemished.
Evert´s three out of four majors: LLoyd,Mills and Norman.
French guys over 55 are shivering with fear right now, specially those who were past stars in individual sports ( Prost is in real danger right now)
The Grand Slam--on both sides. It has been 45 years since Laver's and 26 since Graf's, and no matter what legends emerged after each, no one had the ability to master it all. I think it is not a stretch to think the Grand Slam is far out of the range of many generations since they were last won, and believe it is not going to be easy for anyone else.
Not sure about that; so many are growing up on clay and could be studying Nadal's brand of tennis, that in the future, someone could pass his FO titles. In the post-Borg era, certainly, there were players who had a "clay game," but were strong elsewhere (ex. Lendl, Courier, et al), but none were just gifted with Borg's kind of understanding for the surface--until Nadal. Now that Nadal is the master of the event, we also--as noted above--live in an era where (from what i've heard) more are trying to be like Nadal. If so (no guarantees, of course) who is to say the tour would not see another clay master pop up faster than the gap between Borg and Nadal?
Tennis will probably be a different sort of game once future tennis professionals who watched Nadal, grow up. Just compare early-mid 1990s tennis to Nadal's era.
That' something I would not put money on, it's nearly be done on several occasions so is just a matter of time, just needs good timing and some luck.
Navratilova 83, 84, 85 & 87
Seles 91 & 92
Federer 2006, 2007 & 2009 (2004??? Maybe)
McEnroe 84??? Though he did not play AO.
Lendl 87 (It's a bit of a stretch but he had a real chance)
The next chance in my book will be Djokovic, after Federer retires and if Nadal gets injured, maybe in 3-4 years time unless someone pops up.
I seriously though S.Williams was in for a chance this year, but AO was not a good touney for her. She could stll do a 3x GS.
Borg's got so many other records, such winning the three majors without losing a set, besides Wimbledon 1976, he also won both the '78 FO and '80 FO titles without the loss of a set. Also, he won 33 Davis Cup singles matches in a row. Also, In Sweden, his leg strength was measured to be off the charts in National tests, as was the case for Stefan Edberg versus Olympic athletes, downhill skiers, etc. It was a key reason for his fitness edge and speed.
This one's not as extreme, but how about Ivan Lendl's 8 straight US Open finals?
Fed could have equaled that save for MPs lost to Djok in '10 & '11 SFs. Djok himself is halfway there now.
Impressive. Also, I believe that Timnz pointed out in another thread that Lendl made the finals of the YEC 9 years in a row.
Besting three of the great foursomes
Mac did it in the 1980 Open
To go along his 1984 season,DC,WCT and doubles records
I don't understand why this record doesn't get brought on more.
Since Bjorn, no one came even close to achieve this; not Lendl, Becker, Edberg, Mc Enroe, Agassi, Sampras, Hewitt, Courier, Federer, Nadal.
And from all of those, only Agassi, Fed and Rafa achieved to win both slams during their entire career..
That's 10 slam finals in a row.
I see that as quite beatable.
The consecutive SF at the slams.
You mean 2010+?
I don't think Nadal has an era. What will watching Nadal do? Make people try to develop OCDs? Switch to left hand? Hire a creepy coach who will cheat and play mind games? Focus on gamesmanship and winning at all cost even if it involves breaking some rules?
I think watching Djokovic will help young players much more since he has amazing fitness, very sound technique, and since trying to be Federer won't work for most people without equivalent talent.
Some records I think are cool:
-18 out of 19 major finals reached (including 8 in a row and 10 in a row). That's almost 5 years of making all but ONE major final!
- 11 major wins in 16 events
-23 consecutive major semi finals and 36 consecutive major QFs (almost 6 years, and 9 years of QF or better)
-237 consecutive weeks at #1 (4.5 years in a row at #1!)
-81 consecutive match wins on a surface (Clay King)
-Winning H2H vs top 50+ players in the game
-5 straight major titles at 2 different events (SW19 and USO)
I think there is a good chance these last a while
I think the 5 + 5 consecutive at Wimby and the USO is very unlikely to be duplicated. That level of consistency has just never been seen before. Nadal's 8 RG? Very unlikely also.
Most folks are taking the wrong approach. When a stat is looked at, you look at the difference between #1 and #2. If that is HUGE, that's a qualification.
Pete's 6 Year ends in a row is great, but #2 has 5
Fed's 237 consecutive weeks is amazing because #2 has FAR less
Fed's 10 slam finals in a row is mind boggling because it doubles the next guy
Rafa's 8 slams is great. I haven't looked up how many #2 has.
No.2 is Borg
Actually the fact that only 1 other guy can get close to these records prove how tough they are to break
Actually, Borg has 6 consecutive slam finals between 1980-1981.
He might have had 8, had he not skipped the Australian open during all his career ( but 1973).
And between 1978-1981, Borg has 12 slam finals out of 13 played slams, which again might have been 16 slam finals, had he not skipped the Australian Open.
Great compilation, dude!
Totally agree, the right indicator of how hard a record is to match is to look at the distance between the no 1 and no 2.
But why is Rafa 8 RG so great while we have two runner ups with 7 W?
He said he hadn't looked up what number 2 was, so its possible that he didn't know that Fed or Pete had 7 Wimbledon titles:???:
Yeah, good thinking. I haven't thought of this. Your approach is smart.
What about Fed's 24 consecutive finals won, is anyone close to that? Or 3x3 majors? Fed is like three times ahead.
Or 23 semis, nobody is close. How about his HC streak when at some point he went something like 115-3? Is anyone close?
I don't want to waste time finding those stats, I'm sure a lot of people here already have them.
How about his record of having the most important records? Nobody comes even close.
Also his record being 2-9 in majors vs his rival. Nobody will come close to this. Fed is uber goat.
Fed winning 2 slams 5 consecutive times and Rafa's domination at the FO are the achievements that will stand the test of time
First of all, I'm not Nadal fan and I assume that's not big a surprise to anyone :lol: I HATE HIS COACH, that's all. But then again (on topic), his RG-achievements are so sick that I honestly think that NO1 will ever win 8 RGs not to mention that that he can, imo, realistically achieve even 10+, but that depends on Djoker.
The bolded are quite impressive and don't seem likely to fall any time soon, but you never know.
Unfortunately Matosevic couldnt break the record..
Spectators at that particular first-round tie may have found the Australian’s victory celebrations a tad overblown. Down 1-5 in the fourth set against Germany’s Dustin Brown, who in addition to dreadlocks also sports a blistering forehand, Matosevic roared back. When Brown double-faulted on match point, the Bosnian-born Australian dropped to the clay and rolled all the way to the service line. “Yeah, maybe it was a little bit over the top but it was just huge relief. It got pretty demoralising at some stages,” said the powerfully-built Aussie of the fallow period that preceded this liberating victory. “I had some tough draws. When I did have my chances, I just couldn’t quite do it.”
Nadal will break all the records.
Like a broken record.......zzzzzzzzzzzz
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