Which RG Loss Will Djokovic Regret the Most?...

Which one will Djokovic regret the most?

  • 2009 v Kohl

    Votes: 2 3.6%
  • 2011 v Federer

    Votes: 7 12.5%
  • 2012 v Nadal

    Votes: 1 1.8%
  • 2013 v Nadal

    Votes: 25 44.6%
  • 2014 v Nadal

    Votes: 4 7.1%
  • 2015 v Wawrinka

    Votes: 17 30.4%

  • Total voters
    56

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Hopefully all of the above
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Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
2013, by a mile.

He was a lot more closer to the title in 2013.

Seriously, Ferrer in the final?? Let him face Ferrer in 2015 final and he would have won easily. Cakewalk.

He was nowhere close to beating Stan this year. Watch the match.

That makes 0 sense. What makes you closer to the title? An entire 3 set match plus the remainder of the game you're playing? OR 1 set.
Because Djokovic had to finish the match against Nadal AND THEN play Ferrer.
Meanwhile he only had to win a set to win the title in 2015.
Yes you can say he would've destroyed Ferrer but no matter how you look at it 1 set > 3 sets

Common sense.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
Useless logic. As if Djokovic was in his best form during his RG losses to Nadal.
It is better to look at whole years on clay. This is the first year ever that Novak won a higher % of games on clay than Nadal.

Novak: Clay: 91/33 123.69
Nadal: Clay: 81/40 121.53

Winning a higher % of games on a surface obviously does not guarantee a slam, but it does guarantee a very good year overall on that surface.

Now, who won the highest % of games on clay in 2015? Answer: Nadal. And he did it winning 5% fewer service games.

People forget that Nadal is still the best player we have ever seen, on clay. As good as Novak is, he has never been better than the secend best player of the last 24 years, on clay.
 

PeterHo

Hall of Fame
That makes 0 sense. What makes you closer to the title? An entire 3 set match plus the remainder of the game you're playing? OR 1 set.
Because Djokovic had to finish the match against Nadal AND THEN play Ferrer.
Meanwhile he only had to win a set to win the title in 2015.
Yes you can say he would've destroyed Ferrer but no matter how you look at it 1 set > 3 sets

Common sense.

lol, you can't even get you numbers right, you should do more primary school mathematics.

Nole needed to win 2 more sets against Stan, not 1, to get the title.

and to me its easier to win 2 more service games vs Rafa, + 3 sets over Ferrer, than to win 2 more sets over a Peak Wawrinka.
 

PeterHo

Hall of Fame
It is better to look at whole years on clay. This is the first year ever that Novak won a higher % of games on clay than Nadal.

Novak: Clay: 91/33 123.69
Nadal: Clay: 81/40 121.53

Winning a higher % of games on a surface obviously does not guarantee a slam, but it does guarantee a very good year overall on that surface.

Now, who won the highest % of games on clay in 2015? Answer: Nadal. And he did it winning 5% fewer service games.

People forget that Nadal is still the best player we have ever seen, on clay. As good as Novak is, he has never been better than the secend best player of the last 24 years, on clay.

i would say nole having to play nadal in the quarters is the biggest reason why he failed this year.

he had to prepare himself to PEAK in that match.

then in the Murray match, Nole was just playing average, unlike his peak performance in the quarters.

in hindsight, he peaked in the wrong match.

the worst player nole could face in the quarters of RG is nadal. and he's drawn the short stick.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
It is better to look at whole years on clay. This is the first year ever that Novak won a higher % of games on clay than Nadal.

Novak: Clay: 91/33 123.69
Nadal: Clay: 81/40 121.53

Winning a higher % of games on a surface obviously does not guarantee a slam, but it does guarantee a very good year overall on that surface.

Now, who won the highest % of games on clay in 2015? Answer: Nadal. And he did it winning 5% fewer service games.

People forget that Nadal is still the best player we have ever seen, on clay. As good as Novak is, he has never been better than the secend best player of the last 24 years, on clay.

Damn, unbelievable stuff. And Rafa sucked hard on clay this year. #King

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lol, you can't even get you numbers right, you should do more primary school mathematics.
This is the perfect place for you to discuss "No1e";

https://forum.punterslounge.com/forum/113-glory-hunters-forum/

PeterHo said:
Nole needed to win 2 more sets against Stan, not 1, to get the title.
Yet somehow you think it's easier to win 3 sets against someone else.

PeterHo said:
and to me its easier to win 2 more service games vs Rafa, + 3 sets over Ferrer, than to win 2 more sets over a Peak Wawrinka.
You also believe bashing your head against the wall repetitively makes you more intelligent.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
lol, you can't even get you numbers right, you should do more primary school mathematics.

Nole needed to win 2 more sets against Stan, not 1, to get the title.

and to me its easier to win 2 more service games vs Rafa, + 3 sets over Ferrer, than to win 2 more sets over a Peak Wawrinka.
Had a brain slip and thought Djokovic had a 2 set lead.
And it doesn't matter what you think is easier. It's a hypothetical scenario. It was a different day, anything could have happened between the nadal match and ferrer match such as injury or suddenly a peak Ferrer. He could have been forced to 4 or 5 sets against Ferrer whereas against Stan he just needed 2 more on the day.
In 2015 if he won the match he won the title
In 2013 if he won the match he wouldn't have won the title.
That's all that matters.
If they were both finals I'd agree but they weren't.
 

Flint

Hall of Fame
2016 when he loses the final to Murray in 5 sets after being 2 sets to love and 2 breaks up in the 3rd.

Nah jk.

Probably either 2009 seeing as Nadal was out or 2015 when I didn't think anything could stop him from wining it.
 

PeterHo

Hall of Fame
anything could have happened between the nadal match and ferrer match such as injury or suddenly a peak Ferrer

Immediately laughed when I read this, no joke.

As long as you believe its harder to hold serve twice vs nadal and beat Ferrer over beating wawrinka in 2 sets, its OK to disagree.

This is the perfect place for you to discuss "No1e";

https://forum.punterslounge.com/forum/113-glory-hunters-forum/


Yet somehow you think it's easier to win 3 sets against someone else.


You also believe bashing your head against the wall repetitively makes you more intelligent.

Thanks Saby for always making me look more intelligent on these forums, not that I need that extra help. Keep those roddick better than fed threads coming LOL.
 
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PeterHo said:
Thanks Saby for always making me look more intelligent on these forums, not that I need that extra help. Keep those roddick better than fed threads coming LOL.
You're about as "intelligent" as the other dim witted gloryhunters 'round these parts. :D
 

NBP

Hall of Fame
Lmao some people here. Djokovic is not a shoe-in to ever win the French. What is so hard to understand about that? How many years have some of you been saying 'this is his year'? This year was the year, we heard all about it. It seems there will always be something that comes up - Nadal, Illness, a Swiss - whatever. He may win it, but he is not guaranteed it. Really not hard to understand.
 

vanioMan

Legend
2015.

He had no real chances against Nadal in 2006, 2007, 2012, 2013 or 2014. Maybe against 2011dal, but even then Nadal would've probably won.
 

zep

Hall of Fame
Nadal 2014 RG final level is underrated. He wasn't at his best physically but his forehand was on fire. Anything Djokovic sent to his forehand went for a down the line winner.

I agree, he was outstanding in set 2, 3 and 4. His FH was on fire, didn't misshit anything, hardly dropped anything short and he was hitting the DTL FH at will which we all know is a must for him against Djokovic. However he ran out of gas towards the end of the 4th set and he was starting to cramp up. That service hold at 4-4 was very crucial. If he had lost that game he would have lost the match IMO.
 

vanioMan

Legend
I agree, he was outstanding in set 2, 3 and 4. His FH was on fire, didn't misshit anything, hardly dropped anything short and he was hitting the DTL FH at will which we all know is a must for him against Djokovic. However he ran out of gas towards the end of the 4th set and he was starting to cramp up. That service hold at 4-4 was very crucial. If he had lost that game he would have lost the match IMO.

Rafa's celebration at 9:44 says it all:

 
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Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
i would say nole having to play nadal in the quarters is the biggest reason why he failed this year.

he had to prepare himself to PEAK in that match.

then in the Murray match, Nole was just playing average, unlike his peak performance in the quarters.

in hindsight, he peaked in the wrong match.

the worst player nole could face in the quarters of RG is nadal. and he's drawn the short stick.
Without any doubt Novak was hurt this year by Nadal's ranking. They should have played in the final. I think Novak's intensity dropped, and by the time he woke up it was too late.

That said, Wawrinka reached the magic 60% winning number for games at RG. He played absurdly well.

I find Stan frustrating to watch. He is one of the few players who can win slams while playing so much worse the rest of the year.
 

PeterHo

Hall of Fame
Without any doubt Novak was hurt this year by Nadal's ranking. They should have played in the final. I think Novak's intensity dropped, and by the time he woke up it was too late.

That said, Wawrinka reached the magic 60% winning number for games at RG. He played absurdly well.

I find Stan frustrating to watch. He is one of the few players who can win slams while playing so much worse the rest of the year.

Stans the spoiler.

He peaks once a year and whoever on the other side of the net at that time really has bad luck. Nole copped it hard.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
Damn, unbelievable stuff. And Rafa sucked hard on clay this year. #King
That's the point. He sucked, for Nadal.

What sticks out to me is that there are years when NO one won 60% of their matches on clay.

In 1991 Courier was at: Clay: 77/34 111 -------------------------FO

Stich was at 112, probably the best winning % on clay that year.

Courier was Clay: 89/38 127 -----------------FO in 1992, so at his best he was pretty scary on clay.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
Stans the spoiler.

He peaks once a year and whoever on the other side of the net at that time really has bad luck. Nole copped it hard.
I pretty much agree with that, but you have to give him credit for being able to raise his game. Cilic was even more of a spoiler in my opinion.
 

Captain Grant

Semi-Pro
Compare those FHs with his 2015 match against Djokovic. In 2015 his FHs were barely crossing the service box.
Berrer killed Nadal's confidence at the very beggining of the year. Rafa was playing his peak aggressive tennis mixing up some flat strokes with spectacular bananas in 1st set, but the next 2 sets the fighting spirit of Michael intimidated Nadal to the point that Rafa still can't find his usual game.
 

zep

Hall of Fame
Berrer killed Nadal's confidence at the very beggining of the year. Rafa was playing his peak aggressive tennis mixing up some flat strokes with spectacular bananas in 1st set, but the next 2 sets the fighting spirit of Michael intimidated Nadal to the point that Rafa still can't find his usual game.

Won't say it was just one match. He was inconsistent throughout until after the US open. Nothing unusual though, happens to everyone in such a long career.
 
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