which slam champion hasn't zverev eclipsed????

[Donkus_Reborn]

That's the real question. We will never see anything like this again, the level is only eclipsed by Sinner.

It's like Alcaraz raises the game to new heights one moment, then sinner says no, then out of nowhere Zverev starts playing to a level honestly only Sinner has played at. It's like everyone else - even past champions are looking up at them. Everyone active can only stand watching.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Djokovic
Federer
Nadal
Murray
Alcaraz
Wawrinka
Sinner
Medvedev
Thiem
Cilic
Del Potro
Roddick
Juan Carlos Ferrero
Agassi
Sampras
Safin
Hewitt
Costa
Kuerten
Ivanisevic
Rafter
Kafelnikov
Moya
Becker
Edberg
Bjorg
Laver
Newcombe
Courier
Lendl
Wilander
McEnroe
Rosewall
Ashe
Vilas
Connors

Sorry the list goes on and on and on that's just some names that came to mind

 

[buscemi]

There is only one ahead of Zed, and he's been so generous as to allow others to scoop up the Slams rather than hoard them himself. This is a talent so monumental that he once double bageled Berdych, basically a better version of Sinner. But that doesn't come close to his crowning achievement. That would be having the bragging rights of being the last player to straight set this new god known as Zed, like David taking down Goliath. But, far from using a slingshot, this David took down his taller follow with a (Wilson) Blade:

 

[FeroBango]

Interesting Zverev thread

 

[Djokodalerer31]

Djokovic
Federer
Nadal
Murray
Alcaraz
Wawrinka
Sinner
Medvedev
Thiem
Cilic
Del Potro
Roddick
Juan Carlos Ferrero
Agassi
Sampras
Safin
Hewitt
Costa
Kuerten
Ivanisevic
Rafter
Kafelnikov
Moya
Becker
Edberg
Bjorg
Laver
Newcombe
Courier
Lendl
Wilander
McEnroe
Rosewall
Ashe
Vilas
Connors

Sorry the list goes on and on and on that's just some names that came to mind

Exclude Costa out of this list and we agree...Highest ranking - #6, Career Titles - 12, the furthest he ever advanced outside of French Open is Quarter-Final at the AO in 1997 and it happened only once and even at the french open he additionally reached two more quarter-finals and one more semi-final on top of that out of 14 year long career, he really sucked man, his sole lucky run at RG in 2002 doesn't make up for all of that...

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Exclude Costa out of this list and we agree...Highest ranking - #6, Career Titles - 12, the furthest he ever advanced outside of French Open is Quarter-Final at the AO in 1997 and it happened only once and even at the french open he additionally reached two more quarter-finals and one more semi-final on top of that out of 14 year long career, he really sucked man, his sole lucky run at RG in 2002 doesn't make up for all of that...

At the end of the day, what do most people remember? Slam champions.

Zverev having been #2 and winning some Masters doesn’t matter to most people. Will anyone remember Dinara Safina who got to #1 and won a number of Masters or would they remember Ana Ivanovic? Ana only won one slam and not much else but she’ll be remembered for that slam. Ditto for Raducanu or Andreescu compared to someone like Svitolina who’s won a lot of other titles including the YEC but never a slam.

 

[Djokodalerer31]

At the end of the day, what do most people remember? Slam champions.

Zverev having been #2 and winning some Masters doesn’t matter to most people. Will anyone remember Dinara Safina who got to #1 and won a number of Masters or would they remember Ana Ivanovic? Ana only won one slam and not much else but she’ll be remembered for that slam. Ditto for Raducanu or Andreescu compared to someone like Svitolina who’s won a lot of other titles including the YEC but never a slam.

Ivanovic comparison is irrelevant, she was consistent top player for many seasons and also topped rankings at some point, to compare Costa to her is mocking...

 

[Aabye5]

The Slam winning ones?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Djokovic
Federer
Nadal
Murray
Alcaraz
Wawrinka
Sinner
Medvedev
Thiem
Cilic
Del Potro
Roddick
Juan Carlos Ferrero
Agassi
Sampras
Safin
Hewitt
Costa
Kuerten
Ivanisevic
Rafter
Kafelnikov
Moya
Becker
Edberg
Bjorg
Laver
Newcombe
Courier
Lendl
Wilander
McEnroe
Rosewall
Ashe
Vilas
Connors

After striking out the non eligible players, I am left with

Thiem/Cilic/Delpo/Costa/Ivanisevic/Moya. There must be at least 10+ more players which you have missed. But Zverev can defeinitely argued to be above these 6. It is not as straight forward but sure.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Djokovic
Federer
Nadal
Murray
Alcaraz
Wawrinka
Sinner
Medvedev
Thiem
Cilic
Del Potro
Roddick
Juan Carlos Ferrero
Agassi
Sampras
Safin
Hewitt
Costa
Kuerten
Ivanisevic
Rafter
Kafelnikov
Moya
Becker
Edberg
Bjorg
Laver
Newcombe
Courier
Lendl
Wilander
McEnroe
Rosewall
Ashe
Vilas
Connors

After striking out the non eligible players, I am left with

Thiem/Cilic/Delpo/Costa/Ivanisevic/Moya. There must be at least 10+ more players which you have missed. But Zverev can defeinitely argued to be above these 6. It is not as straight forward but sure.

You have to be absolutely kidding to include Del Potro in that list.
By no metrics is Zverev better.

DelPo beat Nadal and Federer back to back to win his slam. That 2009 USO Final was one of the best. Zverev doesn't even have a slam let alone winning win by beating two GOAT's back to back to do so.

He also has Olympic silver where he stopped Djokovic in the 1R and Nadal in the SF. He also had Olympic bronze where he beat Djokovic in the bronze match.

22 career titles including a Masters + a Davis Cup. In a career riddled with injuries, he's still got a slam at the height of Fedal while Zverev does not have one even in this past weak era.

 

[nolefam_2024]

You have to be absolutely kidding to include Del Potro in that list.
By no metrics is Zverev better.

DelPo beat Nadal and Federer back to back to win his slam. That 2009 USO Final was one of the best. Zverev doesn't even have a slam let alone winning win by beating two GOAT's back to back to do so.

He also has Olympic silver where he stopped Djokovic in the 1R and Nadal in the SF. He also had Olympic bronze where he beat Djokovic in the bronze match.

22 career titles including a Masters + a Davis Cup. In a career riddled with injuries, he's still got a slam at the height of Fedal while Zverev does not have one even in this past weak era.

Is it zverevs fault that delpo wrist is made of glass ? Not at all zverevs fault.

Do you know how many matches delpo played in whole career ? Just around 600. Zverev has already gone past 650.

And zverev has achieved a lot more. So save the counting of fedal names. That do not impress me. Fed is gone now.

 

[nolefam_2024]

It's not anybody's fault that delpo kept getting injured. He achieved far less than anyone who is top player of generation. It's not his fault since it's out of his control but we can't keep having him high while ****ting on others

Zverev 7 masters + 2 atp finals + og + 2 slam finals
Delpo 1 slam , another final, 1 masters and Olympics silver+bronze.

Zverev has passed him , although not by much because both are footnotes. Both didn't achieve number 1 and both were never dominant at all.

Last time a south American was dominant was back in 1970s. I am worried about Fonseca. Let's see.

 

[davced1]

All of them.

 

[nolefam_2024]

@Aussie Darcy

This is 7th time zverev is playing ATP finals. He will probably play 3 more times to go 10.

Berdych, freaking BIRD qualified 6 times.
Delpo just 4 times.

Let's be brutally honest. What delpo did is too short. You have sentimental attachment to that. That's truly your thing to deal with.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Is it zverevs fault that delpo wrist is made of glass ? Not at all zverevs fault.

Do you know how many matches delpo played in whole career ? Just around 600. Zverev has already gone past 650.

And zverev has achieved a lot more. So save the counting of fedal names. That do not impress me. Fed is gone now.

@Aussie Darcy

This is 7th time zverev is playing ATP finals. He will probably play 3 more times to go 10.

Berdych, freaking BIRD qualified 6 times.
Delpo just 4 times.

Let's be brutally honest. What delpo did is too short. You have sentimental attachment to that. That's truly your thing to deal with.

2009 US Open.

That is the end of the argument right there.

I couldn't care less if Zverev qualifies for the ATP Finals 15 more times. He doesn't have a slam while Del Potro's run beating the two then GOAT's of the sport in the SF and Final back to back was insane. Zverev has never accomplished anything remotely close to that Call me when he wins a slam and by beating the GOAT's. Oh wait, he couldn't do it even when they were fading. He's got nothing on Del Potro.

 

[nolefam_2024]

2009 US Open.

That is the end of the argument right there.

I couldn't care less if Zverev qualifies for the ATP Finals 15 more times. He doesn't have a slam while Del Potro's run beating the two then GOAT's of the sport in the SF and Final back to back was insane. Zverev has never accomplished anything remotely close to that Call me when he wins a slam and by beating the GOAT's. Oh wait, he couldn't do it even when they were fading. He's got nothing on Del Potro.

End of argument for you

Take off your fedal goggles and see the world. There are kids coming up becoming tennis fans that give zero damn about who fedals were

Numbers matterm

 

[PMChambers]

The main issue with a Major ranks above any other achievement. Then player achievement can only be ranked on number of Majors, regardless of other achievements or circumstances.akes ranking players easy as it's quantifiable.
But not my approach.

 

[timnz]

The Slam winning ones?

I think the OP meant single slam champions

 

[Aussie Darcy]

End of argument for you

Take off your fedal goggles and see the world. There are kids coming up becoming tennis fans that give zero damn about who fedals were

Numbers matterm

Why do you keep saying Fedal and ignoring the clear thing Zverev is missing and why nobody takes him seriously? He doesn't have a slam. It's a joke.

Also what world are you living in where kids don't give a damn about Federer or Nadal? Are you that blinded by hatred? They are the icons of the sport and forever will be. It's embarrasing for you to discount them so much and also for you to fail to acknowledge why Zverev is behind all the players I listed earlier. Dude doesn't even have a slam

 

[Aabye5]

I think the OP meant single slam champions

I know, but I meant what I said.

As I said in the other thread, Casper Ruud has #morefinalsthanzod

 

[Gazelle]

Is Zverev above Thiem? 10 big titles vs 2? It begs the question.

 

[Subway Tennis]

Is Zverev above Thiem? 10 big titles vs 2? It begs the question.

The sheer bulk of Zverev’s success at a very high level one rung below the majors is impressive, but Thiem will always have the argument that he has achieved tournament success at a higher level because he won a major.

The term “Big titles” means nothing. That is an ATP marketing gimmick.

They started that category and pushed it in social media stats posts to try and change perception on events like WTF and m1000 by trying to associate them with majors fully aware that m1000 and WTF have been losing steam since the mid-2000s while the big four majors retained their importance.

 

[NatF]

The sheer bulk of Zverev’s success at a very high level one rung below the majors is impressive, but Thiem will always have the argument that he has achieved tournament success at a higher level because he won a major.

The term “Big titles” means nothing. That is an ATP marketing gimmick.

They started that category and pushed it in social media stats posts to try and change perception on events like WTF and m1000 by trying to associate them with majors fully aware that m1000 and WTF have been losing steam since the mid-2000s while the big four majors retained their importance.

The fact that Thiem won his major beating Zverev in the final looms large in that discussion.

 

[buscemi]

The fact that Thiem won his major beating Zverev in the final looms large in that discussion.

I would say the same goes for Thiem's 8-4 record against Zverev, including 4-0 at Majors (across the French Open, the Australian Open, and, of course, the U.S. Open).

 

[Subway Tennis]

The fact that Thiem won his major beating Zverev in the final looms large in that discussion.

Agree. Thiem also had a far better record against Nadal and Djokovic in majors, too.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Why do you keep saying Fedal and ignoring the clear thing Zverev is missing and why nobody takes him seriously? He doesn't have a slam. It's a joke.

Also what world are you living in where kids don't give a damn about Federer or Nadal? Are you that blinded by hatred? They are the icons of the sport and forever will be. It's embarrasing for you to discount them so much and also for you to fail to acknowledge why Zverev is behind all the players I listed earlier. Dude doesn't even have a slam

I am not ignoring thing zverev is missing

By this time, DESPITE not winning slam, zverev is ahead.

Do you see. I am not ignoring. Adjusting for it.

Here have this one as a bad reminder for you. I know you hate zverev so this would not make you happy anyway

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

Ivanovic comparison is irrelevant, she was consistent top player for many seasons and also topped rankings at some point, to compare Costa to her is mocking...

Ivanovic will be remembered for being hot. Bad example.

 

[davced1]

The main issue with a Major ranks above any other achievement. Then player achievement can only be ranked on number of Majors, regardless of other achievements or circumstances.akes ranking players easy as it's quantifiable.
But not my approach.

Not only number of majors but he needs ONE to prove he can win them then I will rank Zverev above some multiple slam champions based on his other achievements!

 

[FD3S]

The fact that Thiem won his major beating Zverev in the final looms large in that discussion.

And a big knock against Zverev is how he lost it and how the reason he lost it still crops up from time to time in spite of all the progress he's made. Zverev's problem has never been his top end level; indeed, he went up two sets to none playing some brutally effective tennis, and then... he blinked. And continued to keep on blinking. Thiem, to his credit, held in masterfully and turned it around by playing within himself and asking Zverev some very tough questions but there's no denying Zverev shot himself in the foot, a tendency which hasn't yet gone away even if he has started to do it less.

Iffy forehands. Questionable second serves (if not outright double faults). His rock solid backhand suddenly not being so rock solid. Hands of stone at the net when before they'd been so calm. All things that can and eventually do come up whenever he goes deep in a major and I'll only believe he can win one after the fact because quite frankly? I think he showed everyone who he was at his competitive core during that USO final. Sascha Zverev in a nutshell, really. You wanna see him at his best? Watch how that match started. You wanna see him at his worst? Watch how that match ended.