Which slams would prime Andy Murray have won from 2017-2023?

Martin J

Hall of Fame
Don't know which slams, but I'm pretty sure he would've ended up with a very solid ATG resume.
 

RS

Bionic Poster
2008/2017 - maybe USO
2009/2018 - none
2010/2019 - maybe Wim
2011/2020 - maybe USO
2012/2021 - Contending in the 3 non clay slams. Let's say Murray takes 2 of those 3.
2013/2022 - likely AO and Wim
2015/2023 - Contends at the first 3 slams of the year. Let's say Murray takes 1 of these 3.

Giving Murray one of the 3 maybe picks and assuming it translates exactly the same way that would make the total 6 slam titles.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
2008/2017 - maybe USO
2009/2018 - none
2010/2019 - maybe Wim
2011/2020 - maybe USO
2012/2021 - Contending in the 3 non clay slams. Let's say Murray takes 2 of those 3.
2013/2022 - likely AO and Wim
2015/2023 - Contends at the first 3 slams of the year. Let's say Murray takes 1 of these 3.

Giving Murray one of the 3 maybe picks and assuming it translates exactly the same way that would make the total 6 slam titles.
So Djokovic suffers the most?
 

The Blond Blur

G.O.A.T.
There’s a big difference between could and would as one is a possibility and the latter is definitive. I’m assuming we’re talking about 2012-2016 Andeh MurrayGOAT. If that’s the case I’ll try to delineate between could vs would for each event.

AO 17 - No
RG 17- No
WC 17 - No
USO 17 - No

AO 18 - Good chance, I’d lean yes here.
RG 18 - No
WC 18 - No
USO 18 - No

AO 19 - No
RG 19 - No
WC 19 - Yes
USO 19 - Definitely possible but I’m leaning no.

AO 20 - I think if Timmy could go up 2-1 then I think Murray could pull it off. Leaning yes on this one.
RG 20 - No
WC 20 - N/A
USO 20 - Yes

AO 21 - I’d lean yes on here since I think he puts up a much better fight than the Sad Lad does vs an injured Joker.
RG 21 - No
WC 21- Yes
USO 21- Yes

AO 22 - Yes
RG 22 - No
WC 22 - Yes
USO 22 - I’m actually going with yes here. 2012 had the terribad weather but I think he’d be a much tougher out than the likes of Oldic, Sinner, Tiafoe, and Casper the friendly MUG.

AO 23 - Yes. Same reason as above for AO 21.
RG 23 - No
WC 23 - Yes
USO 23 - Yes

Overall I have prime MurrayGOAT picking up at least 10/23 of those schlems and maybe an additional 4 that I’m not as certain on.
 
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RS

Bionic Poster
So Djokovic suffers the most?
Based on getting more chances to get at Djokovic off clay were he has beaten him a decent number of times and the fact Nadal won 5/8 at RG were Murray isn't stopping him yes probably.
 
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BauerAlmeida

Hall of Fame
AO 2017 no
RG 2017 no
W 2017 no
USO 2017 maybe but no

AO 2018 could be yeah
RG 2018 no
W 2018 could be yeah
USO 2018 no

AO 2019 no
RG 2019 no
W 2019 Good chance for this one
USO 2019 maybe but no

AO 2020 no
RG 2020 no
USO 2020 Yeah, I see him winning this one for sure

AO 2021 no
RG 2021 no
W 2021 Good chance for this one
USO 2021 Mmm maybe

AO 2022 Could be yeah
RG 2022 Maybe
W 2022 maybe but no
USO 2022 Good chance for this one

AO 2023 no
RG 2023 could be
W 2023 maybe
USO 2023 no
 

RS

Bionic Poster
There’s a big difference between could and would as one is a possibility and the latter is definitive. I’m assuming we’re talking about 2012-2016 Andeh MurrayGOAT. If that’s the case I’ll try to delineate between could vs would for each event.

AO 17 - No
RG 17- No
WC 17 - No
USO 17 - No
AO 18 - Good chance, I’d lean yes here.
RG 18 - No
WC 18 - No
USO 18 - No
AO 19 - No
RG 19 - No
WC 19 - Yes
USO 19 - Definitely possible but I’m leaning no.
AO 20 - I think if Timmy could go up 2-1 then I think Murray could pull it off. Leaning yes on this one.
RG 20 - No
WC 20 - N/A
USO 20 - Yes
AO 21 - I’d lean yes on here since I think he puts up a much better fight than the Sad Lad does vs an injured Joker.
RG 21 - No
WC 21- Yes
USO 21- Yes
AO 22 - Yes
RG 22 - No
WC 22 - Yes
USO 22 - I’m actually going with yes here. 2012 had the terribad weather but I think he’d be a much tougher out than the likes of Oldic, Sinner, Tiafoe, and Casper the friendly MUG.
AO 23 - Yes. Same reason as above for AO 21.
RG 23 - No
WC 23 - Yes
USO 23 - Yes

Overall I have prime MurrayGOAT picking up at least 10/23 of those schlems and maybe an additional 4 that I’m not as certain on.
You could split the difference and call this 12. :p
 

daggerman

Hall of Fame
Depends. If he stayed healthy and kept improving to keep pace with an improving field, he could've won several, probably.

If he played exactly like he played during his prime, maybe 1.
 

jl809

Hall of Fame
Lol it’s bad enough the Wambulance Martyrdom Brigade try to claim peak Djoker would beat peak Murray on grass, but now we have them claiming washed / Postprimeovic would beat Prime Murray there too. The delusions scale ever higher :X3: "hE mIgHt WiN OnE oR tWo"
 
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RS

Bionic Poster
Lol it’s bad enough the Wambulance Martyrdom Brigade try to claim peak Djoker would beat peak Murray on grass, but now we have them claiming washed / Postprimeovic would beat Prime Murray there too. The delusions scale ever higher :X3:
Nice.
 

fedfan24

Hall of Fame
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2011-2016 Murray vs 2018-2023

2011/2018: 0
2012/2019: W, USO
2013/2020: AO, USO
2014/2021: 0
2015/2022: AO, W
2016/2023: AO, RG, W


9 slams. 6-7 if you start from 2008. At least 6+ putting him in the ATG category. Old Djokovic won’t have it easy with a guy like prime Murray around. Hopeless nextgen have tricked a lot of people into thinking he’s as good as his prime years but he’s definitely vulnerable just no one has exposed it.
 
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socallefty

G.O.A.T.
Murray was the best player in the world in the 2H of 2016, defending Wimbledon champion and had made it to many AO finals where he lost only to Djokovic in the previous few years before he injured his hip. You would think that a healthy Murray was most likely to win the Slams that Federer won in 2017-18 - two AOs and Wimbledon 2017. I don’t think Federer’s neo-BH would have bothered a healthy Murray who was very strong on that wing.

I don’t favor him over Nadal at the FO and even USO19 would have been a tougher challenge. Once Djokovic came back to full form in mid-2018, I think he would have beaten even a healthy Murray in Slams after that although 2018 Wimbledon might have been an epic battle.
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
I wouldn't trust Murray in a slam final even against a 36 years old Djokovic. Just because the current next gen are awful, it doesn't mean he should act like the likes of Murray weren't terrible big match players as well. He probably wins a few (at least if we are talking about 2012-2013 Murray), but no way in hell he dominates the game. Any comments about Murray potentially winning 10-11 slams are just nonsense.
 

StrongRule

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Murray was the best player in the world in the 2H of 2016, defending Wimbledon champion and had made it to many AO finals where he lost only to Djokovic in the previous few years before he injured his hip. You would think that a healthy Murray was most likely to win the Slams that Federer won in 2017-18 - two AOs and Wimbledon 2017. I don’t think Federer’s neo-BH would have bothered a healthy Murray who was very strong on that wing.

I don’t favor him over Nadal at the FO and even USO19 would have been a tougher challenge. Once Djokovic came back to full form in mid-2018, I think he would have beaten even a healthy Murray in Slams after that although 2018 Wimbledon might have been an epic battle.
Lol, I'm pretty sure 2016 Murray loses the AO final even to 2016 Federer. Forget about him beating 2017-2018 Federer there. The only time Murray beat Federer in a slam was in 2013, and he still needed 5 sets for this one. Murray isn't unlucky, he is just a (very) bad big match player.
 

Martin J

Hall of Fame
I wouldn't trust Murray in a slam final even against a 36 years old Djokovic. Just because the current next gen are awful, it doesn't mean he should act like the likes of Murray weren't terrible big match players as well. He probably wins a few (at least if we are talking about 2012-2013 Murray), but no way in hell he dominates the game. Any comments about Murray potentially winning 10-11 slams are just nonsense.
And why is that? He already beat him in finals at two of the most important tournaments.

I think this matchup is more about surface/conditions than anything else, Djokovic leads (by a huge margin) Murray on a slow/medium-slow surfaces, while Andy has a big lead in tournaments with faster conditions (Dubai, Canada Cincinnati, Wimbledon, even USO where Novak's 2014 win doesn't tell much since Murray was still recovering from surgery).
People get the idea that Djokovic brutally owns him due to defeats in Australia, but that's not the whole story.
 
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StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
And why is that? He already beat him in finals at two of the most important tournaments.

I think this matchup is more about surface/conditions than anything else, Djokovic leads (by a huge margin) Murray on a slow/medium-slow surfaces, while Andy has a big lead in tournaments with faster conditions (Dubai, Canada Cincinnati, Wimbledon, even USO where Novak's 2014 win doesn't tell much since Murray was still recovering from surgery).
People get the idea that Djokovic brutally owns him due to defeats in Australia, but that's not the whole story.
Because sadly, I had to watch their matchup for years. Most of the time it was just as bad as watching today's next gen collapse against Djokovic, if not worse.

The only slam where Murray could beat Djokovic a few more times (though not every time) is Wimbledon. Especially old Djokovic, who really overachieved there. No way he does it in AO. As for USO, people only judge by the 2012 title. Everyone seem to forget that Murray only reached 3 semifinals at this slam. In most years he was losing early there. You don't need the big 3, there are lots of players who can beat him there.
 

CoolCoolCool

Hall of Fame
And why is that? He already beat him in finals at two of the most important tournaments.

I think this matchup is more about surface/conditions than anything else, Djokovic leads (by a huge margin) Murray on a slow/medium-slow surfaces, while Andy has a big lead in tournaments with faster conditions (Dubai, Canada Cincinnati, Wimbledon, even USO where Novak's 2014 win doesn't tell much since Murray was still recovering from surgery).
People get the idea that Djokovic brutally owns him due to defeats in Australia, but that's not the whole story.
He beat Djoker only once in those tournaments, how is it a big lead?
 

fedfan24

Hall of Fame
Murray was the best player in the world in the 2H of 2016, defending Wimbledon champion and had made it to many AO finals where he lost only to Djokovic in the previous few years before he injured his hip. You would think that a healthy Murray was most likely to win the Slams that Federer won in 2017-18 - two AOs and Wimbledon 2017. I don’t think Federer’s neo-BH would have bothered a healthy Murray who was very strong on that wing.

I don’t favor him over Nadal at the FO and even USO19 would have been a tougher challenge. Once Djokovic came back to full form in mid-2018, I think he would have beaten even a healthy Murray in Slams after that although 2018 Wimbledon might have been an epic battle.
Murray has maybe 10% chance to beat older fed in a slam final, certainly isn’t favourite by any stretch of the imagination. How did you come to that conclusion? Certainly can’t be from their h2h.
 

RS

Bionic Poster
Murray RG 16 beating Djokovic RG 2023 by a few posters and Murray AO 11 beating Fed AO 18 even more so are 2 picks which I didn't expect to see.
 

Third Serve

Talk Tennis Guru
I don’t think Murray wins 10 Slams in any era but this one would be his best chance at doing so. I’d give him a number of victories over the old Big 3 as well as the next gen.
 

RS

Bionic Poster
Well RG is based on taking a set vs 16 Djokovic and going 5 with 15 Djokovic.
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
Murray RG 16 beating Djokovic RG 2023 by a few posters and Murray AO 11 beating Fed AO 18 even more so are 2 picks which I didn't expect to see.
2016 Murray was lucky to beat a 37 years old Stepanek. He also totally collapsed after just 1 set in the final, worse than Alcaraz this year. He is not beating Djokovic in DO 2023, no way in hell.
 
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AO13

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I am most certain he would win RG17, USO17, RG18, RG19, USO19, RG20, AO22 and RG22.

So, sir Andy would end up with 11 slams, joining an ATG tier with the likes of Sampras and Nadal who would have 14 slam titles.
 

CoolCoolCool

Hall of Fame
It is quite debatable but nonsensial is probably harsh there.

Point taken though. lol
It's really not. 2014-2015 Djoker does about everything better, the only reason the debate exists is because of their grass h2h. There was a point when Murray led 6-2 in his h2h against prime Rog, what nonsense would we have heard had they not faced each other again after that? A lot of people are extremely short-sighted and can only focus on what's in front of them.

Even 2018 Grassovic would beat peak Grassray. Only 2019-2022 Grassovic would lose to him.
 
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RS

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It's really not. 2014-2015 Djoker does about everything better, the only reason the debate exists is because of their grass h2h. There was a point when Murray led 6-2 in his h2h against prime Rog, what nonsense would we have heard had they not faced each other again after that? A lot of people are extremely short-sighted and can only focus on what's in front of them.

Even 2018 Grassovic would beat peak Grassray. Only 2019-2022 Grassovic would lose to him.
Fair enough but with Fed it was the point were most knew he would dominate Murray if they played in slams as he did in USO 08 and then just after your time frame AO 10. It's a slightly different context to Murray straight setting Djokovic on grass twice in BO5 finals but I agree the sample size of 2 matches isn't big enough to say Murray always dominates him or routines him.
 

jl809

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It's really not. 2014-2015 Djoker does about everything better, the only reason the debate exists is because of their grass h2h. There was a point when Murray led 6-2 in his h2h against prime Rog, what nonsense would we have heard had they not faced each other again after that? A lot of people are extremely short-sighted and can only focus on what's in front of them.

Even 2018 Grassovic would beat peak Grassray. Only 2019-2022 Grassovic would lose to him.
Lmao, now who’s joking

Feddy having a one in a million serving display in the SF in 2015 then understandably not repeating it in the F has a lot to answer for
 

CoolCoolCool

Hall of Fame
Fair enough but with Fed it was the point were most knew he would dominate Murray if they played in slams as he did in USO 08 and then just after your time frame AO 10. It's a slightly different context to Murray straight setting Djokovic on grass twice in BO5 finals but I agree the sample size of 2 matches isn't big enough to say Murray always dominates him or routines him.
Twice?
 
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