Which statement is more absurd? part 2 series - for tennis and Star Wars fans
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Hood_Man
G.O.A.T.
You wash your mouth out with soap, 4 is the most influential movie ever made
NatF
Bionic Poster
Stop please lol.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
The Emperor is such a jovial character. Kind of reminds me of a space version of Quintus Batiatus.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Add me to the option 2 bandwagon. Yeah, those movies are bad.
CoolCoolCool
Hall of Fame
Episode 4 is overrated, episodes 5 and 6 are better.You wash your mouth out with soap, 4 is the most influential movie ever made
aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
That is the curse of the innovators—what was fresh and new back then, now seems commonplace.
Regardless of whether it's better of worse, 4 is definitely the most important of the bunch.
And this is IMO still the best space battle scene in Star Wars:
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
He really is cheesy. Works as a red shirt whose thematic purpose is to live so that Anakin Skywalker can kill him, but his outsized role in later material is, well, outsized. Maybe his character would have evolved in a direction that merited such attention if they’d stayed with the calmer version of Revill and Eaton.
Megafanoftennis100
Professional
Sorry... I will stop it. I was just trying to be funny, but maybe it doesn't work
NatF
Bionic Poster
It's funny but I'm not a fan of the rocks and a hard place comparisons.
Hood_Man
G.O.A.T.
The voice of reason!
Except for the saved in the edit video. That's just the ramblings of a YouTuber who doesn't know what an assembly edit it.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
3 is terrible just like the rest of the Prequels
Megafanoftennis100
Professional
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
If you watched it as an impressionable little kid then I might see how it had an impact on you
Other than that it's more of the nonsense that you had in the other prequels, except it's tonally a bit darker
Megafanoftennis100
Professional
I mean, seriously, how in the world can anyone label Revenge of the Sith as "terrible"?!
This is outrageous, it's unfair.
This is outrageous, it's unfair.
aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
Very fun, but not very good.
If I had to say one least favorite thing (storywise), it would be Obi-Wan getting sidelined on a low-stakes B-plot for 80% of the movie (but in universe, I guess it made sense as Palpy wanted him and Anakin separated)
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
I still think Agassi being favorite for all four US Open matches vs Sampras is the most absurd situation there has ever been.
aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
Inaccurate as it may be, it inspired/spawned a whole subgenre of Lucas apologism.
Basically, the self-indulgence of the prequel trilogy and the OT 90s-00s edits caused a wave of Lucas revisionistic criticism, which in turn caused a reaction of Lucas apologism (especially after Disney crapped the bed with the sequels)
SW was a team effort but the final word was always George's, is the main misrepresentation in the "Saved in the edit" video IMO.
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Take several seats young padawan, you have much to learn. Teddy bear wars in amazon forest from 6 is a lot more entertaining than 300 strikes per second fight of Anawan in 3.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Well, you're half right.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
I'm basically what passes for a Sequel defender on the internet these days, and I've always been adament that 2011 was peak Djoker.
But even I'd have to say the Star Wars statement is *more* absurd, despite how comical the idea of 2023>2011 Djokovic is to me.
But even I'd have to say the Star Wars statement is *more* absurd, despite how comical the idea of 2023>2011 Djokovic is to me.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
3 is a fun movie but it commits a lot of the errors you commonly see in flawed movies.
It's probably in my top 3 by enjoyment alone but I don't think it's necessarily a better movie than any of the originals or even Rogue One.
It's probably in my top 3 by enjoyment alone but I don't think it's necessarily a better movie than any of the originals or even Rogue One.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Armin Van Vader.
aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
I love that part when Anakin and Obi-Wan start randomly helicoptering their sabers at each other.
aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
Pray elaborate
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Some folks on the internet defend the helicoptering as a necessary move from a swordmanship point of view...
NatF
Bionic Poster
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Dang you’re missing out lol
Im trying so hard to get my roommate to watch spartacus with me lol especially with a new season on Ashur coming. Im like BRO TRUST ME lol Im gonna get him to crack.
RS
Bionic Poster
Honestly it is really rare
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Then when your roommate does crack, they will wonder why they didn't watch earlier. At least that's how it was with me.
I was so hyped when I found out about Ashur. I was looking at the Spartacus reddit because I recently watched the show again. Somebody dropped a line about the house of Ashur and I just thought they were talking about that line he said to Lucretia. Then I see another topic and it's about a spinoff house of Ashur. Hell yes.
Has there ever been more delightful news? Much gratitude for this unexpected return. I mean, that's probably one of the last things I was expecting. Another comment was funny. ''I'm just glad this universe is back. I'd watch a Pietros bird show.''
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
As in I don't think they're a crime against humanity that ruined the saga forever. And that they are far better films than the prequels, despite not being creative.
I still don't particularly like them.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Exactly lol. Im literally like bro its the best show of all time, you’re going to feel crazy af when we get to episode 5Then when your roommate does crack, they will wonder why they didn't watch earlier. At least that's how it was with me.
I was so hyped when I found out about Ashur. I was looking at the Spartacus reddit because I recently watched the show again. Somebody dropped a line about the house of Ashur and I just thought they were talking about that line he said to Lucretia. Then I see another topic and it's about a spinoff house of Ashur. Hell yes.
Has there ever been more delightful news? Much gratitude for this unexpected return. I mean, that's probably one of the last things I was expecting. Another comment was funny. ''I'm just glad this universe is back. I'd watch a Pietros bird show.''
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
I was 21/24/27 when the prequels came out. I was disappointed by all of them on first viewing, except perhaps two, to which I went in with low expectations and so came out nonplussed! That said, having made the mistake of watching the sequels, I now regard the prequels as the intermediate trilogy in quality. I have actually watched all of the prequels a few times each, and enjoy some parts of them. There are a few interesting ideas but poor execution. I did see the first sequel twice but apart from that I have only seen one scene more than once (the Snoke scene in VIII). I now regard the sequels as not being part of the story.
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helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Today, I watched the Vader and Obi-wan fight from the Kenobi series. It is the only scene from Kenobi I have watched. I have seen about three short clips of The Mandalorian of about a minute or less each. Other than that, I gave up on Disney Star Wars with the non-existent episode IX.
The Anakin and Obi-wan fight confirmed my sense that the Star Wars universe has become rather unmoored from the clear implications of the originals in ways that don’t quite rise to the level of official retconning. This is obviously an issue in the prequels, which does away with Leia’s memories of her real mother, memories that, because Luke doesn’t share them, suggest in very strong terms that their mother lived at least a few years after giving birth, with Luke separated from both her and Leia, but them not separated from each other. (Sure, fans have ad hoc accounts of how to make these accounts compatible, but they are basically incompatible).
Having Vader and obi-wan meet in between the fight that injured Vader and the fight that killed obi-wan seems to me to do the same. I don’t know how to reconcile Vader’s opening remarks (“the circle is now complete”…) on seeing obi-wan on the Death Star with any meetings since (very shortly after) he became Vader. Moreover, if they were to fight ten years after their previous fight, I don’t see how the fight would result in anything other than an easy win for Vader. That leads to another point at which the series has diverted from the original track: nowadays, it is a commonplace in fan communities to accept that Vader has much less power than Anakin had. Well, maybe he lost potential, but I don’t see how anyone could watch the originals and not believe that Vader had much more actual power than Anakin ever achieved. He is presented in the first couple of films as all but unbeatable. (he thinks he can’t beat the emperor - but experience later proves him wrong). For example, the occasion of Luke asking Yoda whether the dark side is more powerful is mention of Vader. Logical implication of the concurrence, it seems to me, is that Vader really was more powerful than any Jedi, or so at least Luke believed.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
Disagree with both the first two sentences, except for the final four words!
aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
If the sequels hadn't messed up so much with the legacy characters and storylines, they would have been a much easier pill to swallow.
TLJ is creative, it's just a huge non sequitur. The JJA films are mediocre, and the closer you examine them the worse they look. The characterization and story are all over the place and it's hard to feel attached to anyone.
The prequels are deeply flawed in many ways. I do think Lucas went on a bit of a power trip and didn't surround himself with the right team to rein in his worse tendencies. However, the story beats and character arcs themselves are ok, it's more of an execution problem.
tl;dr: NOOOOOOO
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
TLJ pretends to be creative and thought provoking, but the end of the film ultimately resets everything anyway, so I don't give it much credit for that. There's no fundamental change in the Jedi at the end.
jm1980
Talk Tennis Guru
TLJ is easily the best of the bunch. What still makes me laugh are the Star Wars fanboys whining about that movie, it never gets old
TFA was okay at the time it came out but I don't think I'd ever want to rewatch it again. Rise of Skywalker was just incredibly disappointing, a bad course correction that left everyone unhappy. Thanks, Kathleen Kennedy!
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Episode 5 will always have a special place in my heart. I think the most epic moment in the whole show is right after Crixus says kill them all, and the cheers from the gladiators. It's just brilliant.Exactly lol. Im literally like bro its the best show of all time, you’re going to feel crazy af when we get to episode 5
CoolCoolCool
Hall of Fame
Yeah, the most important without a doubt, it laid the foundations of the myth. But no matter how many times I rewatch it, I just can't appreciate it to the same degree I appreciate episodes 5, 6 or even 3.
And I know it's a hot take, but I didn't find Episode 1 that bad. I liked the political aspect of the movie and Maul was a badass villain, the fight against him was epic. Episode 2 was easily the worst one imo (still way better than the sequels). The prequels might be flawed because Lucas can't direct a movie/actors, but there was a lot of good things in them.
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travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
It’s sad that the CGI-enhanced versions of the original trilogy that came out in the late 90s (with extra weird creatures strewn about) were 10x better than any subsequent sequels.
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
TESB and ROTJ definitely the most rewatchable.
Yoda/Luke scenes are gold. And ROTJ has very satisfying triple underdog win ending.
CoolCoolCool
Hall of Fame
If I had to point out ROTJ's flaws, I would say the ewoks being able to take on the Empire troops and the lazy idea of simply recreating the Death Star were questionable choices. But Luke's character arc, seeing what he became and the moral dilemma he's faced with, along with Vader's redemption, are what makes this movie epic.
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