Today, I watched the Vader and Obi-wan fight from the Kenobi series. It is the only scene from Kenobi I have watched. I have seen about three short clips of The Mandalorian of about a minute or less each. Other than that, I gave up on Disney Star Wars with the non-existent episode IX.
The Anakin and Obi-wan fight confirmed my sense that the Star Wars universe has become rather unmoored from the clear implications of the originals in ways that don’t quite rise to the level of official retconning. This is obviously an issue in the prequels, which does away with Leia’s memories of her real mother, memories that, because Luke doesn’t share them, suggest in very strong terms that their mother lived at least a few years after giving birth, with Luke separated from both her and Leia, but them not separated from each other. (Sure, fans have ad hoc accounts of how to make these accounts compatible, but they are basically incompatible).
Having Vader and obi-wan meet in between the fight that injured Vader and the fight that killed obi-wan seems to me to do the same. I don’t know how to reconcile Vader’s opening remarks (“the circle is now complete”…) on seeing obi-wan on the Death Star with any meetings since (very shortly after) he became Vader. Moreover, if they were to fight ten years after their previous fight, I don’t see how the fight would result in anything other than an easy win for Vader. That leads to another point at which the series has diverted from the original track: nowadays, it is a commonplace in fan communities to accept that Vader has much less power than Anakin had. Well, maybe he lost potential, but I don’t see how anyone could watch the originals and not believe that Vader had much more actual power than Anakin ever achieved. He is presented in the first couple of films as all but unbeatable. (he thinks he can’t beat the emperor - but experience later proves him wrong). For example, the occasion of Luke asking Yoda whether the dark side is more powerful is mention of Vader. Logical implication of the concurrence, it seems to me, is that Vader really was more powerful than any Jedi, or so at least Luke believed.
@Kralingen @aldeayeah As a followup to this, the prequels coming out after the originals result in a weird chronology in which fans often discuss events in the originals as though they show character development (which they do, in-universe, in a way) but that are actually the result of the writers of the prequels back deepening (to coin an ugly neologism) parts of the originals. The obvious example of this is how "you are on this council, but we do not grant you the rank of master" doesn't really
explain Vader's inability to let things go in "when I left you, I was but the learner, now I am the master" so much as it creates it. Another example is this social media post that I just saw. In fact, Obi-Wan did the maneuver so that Boba Fett could later be said to have learned from it, not the other way around.
What is a hidden detail in Star Wars that no one knows about?
Not sure if this is a “hidden” detail, but when I saw this question, this was just the first thing that came to mind.
This isn’t exactly a physical detail on screen, but it is a detail that might blow your mind…. or might not. We shall see.
To begin, let’s go back to Attack of the Clones. Recall the asteroid scene with Jango—and Boba—and Obi-Wan Kenobi.
George Lucas actually inserted an interesting callback (or should I say call forward) to The Empire Strikes Back in Attack of the Clones.
Recall when Obi-Wan was trying to follow Jango Fett while on his way to Geonosis. He was trying to avoid detection, so he hid among the asteroid field.
Now remember how Obi-Wan was successful and followed Jango Fett all the way through?
Well…. there’s something significant about this.
Boba Fett was with his father Jango when Obi-Wan pulled this move. That, we all know.
What’s interesting is that years later when Han Solo maneuvers a similar “trick” if you will in The Empire Strikes Back as Obi-Wan, Boba Fett is easily able to find him. He essentially learned and remembered what Obi-Wan did all those years back in Attack of the Clones.
And to be clear, George Lucas did in fact confirm that this mini “connection” was intentional. He wanted to make it clear that Boba discovered Han decades later BECAUSE of his childhood experience with Obi-Wan.
In some ways this is hidden since we sort of just overlook this fact, but if you actually cared about this detail… that’s up to you I guess haha.
again..... They all suck lol, everyone critiquing to death a story that never made sense in the first place
