Which top 10 players do not take fake MTO and toilet breaks?

Arak

Hall of Fame
It’s all in the headline. Just wondering which players have integrity and sportsmanship and will not want to win at any cost?
 

DSH

G.O.A.T.
I think Tsitsipas has to go to the proctologist.
Something is wrong with him!
:sick:
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
Since we're talking about MTO and toilet, I don't remember Murray has been involved in such incidents.
The only one I’m personally aware of is when he gave himself a pep talk in front of the mirror, but it could be argued that the purpose was not to break the momentum of the opponent.
 

Realfan

New User
As a long time GS major (in person) attendee, I have literally seen each top player take an off court break at one time or another. Nadal, Djokovic, Federer, Murray, Nishikori, Medvedev, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Theim, etc. It usually occurs between sets and I’m always surprised by how this is all scrutinized by the media. I think there are those players who likely abuse the rule and do it more often and for longer than is acceptable but I won’t wade into that topic here.
 
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Arak

Hall of Fame
As a long time GS (in person) attendee, I have literally seen each top player take an off court break at one time or another. Nadal, Djokovic, Federer, Murray, Nishikori, Medvedev, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Theim, etc. It usually occurs between sets and I’m always surprised by how this is all scrutinized by the media. I think there are those players who likely abuse the rule and do it more often and for longer than is acceptable but I won’t wade into that topic here.
Toilet breaks are often used to change into dry clothes and everyone takes them as you say, but I think it’s easy to detect tactical toilet breaks as in a player is getting his behind kicked and will rush to take a break as soon as he loses a set. Body language can be very telling too as usually they look distraught or angry.
 

Realfan

New User
Toilet breaks are often used to change into dry clothes and everyone takes them as you say, but I think it’s easy to detect tactical toilet breaks as in a player is getting his behind kicked and will rush to take a break as soon as he loses a set. Body language can be very telling too as usually they look distraught or angry.
It’s a fair point but what I didn’t articulate well is that I’ve seen almost every top player over the year take a break after a set whether that player won or lost the set. It’s a very normal and expected thing to do. Many times both players leave the court at the same time. This is why I’m a little surprised that it comes up so often as a topic. You are correct that there is no way to know the true intent of such a break and I think you’re right that most players do a quick change of clothes and potentially actually use the washroom.

At the end of the day, the ATP and WTA need to put in some rules around this as I don’t see the situation getting any better.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
Since we are not the doctors or physios attending the players there is no way to know what is a real or fake MTO. And there is little in the rules that would determine what is a real or fake MTO. Anyone who claims they know when a player has faked an MTO is simply lying.

bathroom breaks can be used for changing your clothes or simply using the toilet or both. Unless you have e a camera in the bathroom to check there is no way to check what a player does. And no rule determines how long they must be.
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
Federer has admitted to using a break to gain an advantage (just as many others so nothing bad/wrong to think about him). We do need rules because folks are now abusing the long-held understanding of how to use these break times.
By his own admission, he took the break because the sun was into his eyes and he couldn’t see the ball. Now I imagine the break benefited his opponent as well. The purpose of tactical breaks is to ice the opponent and break his momentum.
 

Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
By his own admission, he took the break because the sun was into his eyes and he couldn’t see the ball. Now I imagine the break benefited his opponent as well. The purpose of tactical breaks is to ice the opponent and break his momentum.
Federer was being outplayed. The illegal break was explicitly to disrupt his opponent's rhythm. It worked. The momentum completely swung to Federer.
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
I don't understand why they don't just institute a five minute break at the end of the second set and a five minute break at the end of the fourth set. No other breaks allowed. Problem solved.
The solution is so simple and fair for everyone. Makes you wonder why it has never been implemented.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Federer has admitted to using a break to gain an advantage (just as many others so nothing bad/wrong to think about him).
Yes, when he was 35 years old in 2017. Fed has never abused MTO's in his entire career, barely taking any in 23 years on tour. And his toilet breaks were always 3 minutes or less, always in long matches and always between sets. Djokovic was the laughing stock of tennis in 2008-2010 when he took MTO's and retired in matches routinely. And we won't even get into Rafa with his strategic MTO's.

 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Yeah. Davy literally broke him after a few games lol.
Yep, he was up 3-1 and had 2 BPs to go 4-1. He continued kicking Fed's butt just fine after the bathroom break (which was like 2 min past the break between sets anyway).

Not that I like bathroom breaks or MTOs mind you, no matter who uses them. I'd introduce a point penalty for any play stoppage personally.
 

Milanez82

Hall of Fame
Yes, when he was 35 years old in 2017. Fed has never abused MTO's in his entire career, barely taking any in 23 years on tour. And his toilet breaks were always 3 minutes or less, always in long matches and always between sets. Djokovic was the laughing stock of tennis in 2008-2010 when he took MTO's and retired in matches routinely. And we won't even get into Rafa with his strategic MTO's.

You are saying retiring was part of the tactics to disrupt the opponent?
 

Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
Yep, he was up 3-1 and had 2 BPs to go 4-1. He continued kicking Fed's butt just fine after the bathroom break (which was like 2 min past the break between sets anyway).

Not that I like bathroom breaks or MTOs mind you, no matter who uses them. I'd introduce a point penalty for any play stoppage personally.
It's not up for debate. Federer admitted cheating at the time.
 

duaneeo

Legend
As a long time GS major (in person) attendee, I have literally seen each top player take an off court break at one time or another. Nadal, Djokovic, Federer, Murray, Nishikori, Medvedev, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Theim, etc. It usually occurs between sets and I’m always surprised by how this is all scrutinized by the media. I think there are those players who likely abuse the rule and do it more often and for longer than is acceptable but I won’t wade into that topic here.
Please. Federer and Murray don't belong in the same sentence as Nadal and Djokovic when it comes to gamesmanship.
 

Realfan

New User
Please. Federer and Murray don't belong in the same sentence as Nadal and Djokovic when it comes to gamesmanship.
You’re completely wrong about that. And there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. And I’ve seen it in person numerous times at each of the Grand Slams. They all take breaks regularly (again I’m not saying they’re doing it to gain an advantage). I’m not against any of it at all. The issue is when you do it when you don’t really need to go to the washroom or have a medical issue. But to pretend that Federer and Murray don’t leave the court is absurd and that is all I was saying above.
 

Realfan

New User
He does take timely toilet breaks, doesn’t he? I’m not judging the players who do, just want to know the players who don’t.
They all take bathroom breaks in long matches after sets are won or lost. Every one of them. The issue is the ones who are taking excess time during those breaks. That list is much shorter - Tsitsipas is the obvious one under the microscope right now.
 

PilotPete

Hall of Fame
I would think it's better to be honest and admit your follies rather than be in eternal denial. Such behaviour will often lead to facial tics and whatnot. Now who do we know that fits that bill?
 
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zagor

Bionic Poster
Yes. Federer was being destroyed. Davydenko was hitting hot and not missing. Then Federer took his illegal break and Davydenko started missing.
Except anyone who watched the match, knows that emphatically didn't happen.

Davydenko didn't start missing after Fed's toilet break, he continued dominating him.

It's not up for debate. Federer admitted cheating at the time.
Now what I contested my boy.
 
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