Which Tournament would you like to be the 5th Grand Slam of Tennis ?

Sunny014

Legend
Records of the Big 3 might never break now, youngsters don't need seem capable.

I guess it is time to introduce a 5th slam which is the best of 5 sets.

Preferably on a new surface or new conditions ....

What do you suggest ?

My suggestion is to convert YEC into the 5th Slam Indoors, bring back carpet

Or should Indian Wells/Rome/Miami be converted into Best of 5 ????
 

Sunny014

Legend
Let's make every tournament a grand slam, I need records to be broken otherwise what is even the point of watching tennis, if I'm not watching the goat ?
Yes there is no use watching tennis if there are no world class athletes chasing records.

After Novak goes down Tennis will take a huge dip, it already is dipping with the downfall of Federer, once Federer & the other 2 guys go tennis might collapse.

Med-Zvrv-********** are not capable of leading Tennis
 

R. Schweikart

Professional
Records of the Big 3 might never break now, youngsters don't need seem capable.

I guess it is time to introduce a 5th slam which is the best of 5 sets.

Preferably on a new surface or new conditions ....

What do you suggest ?

My suggestion is to convert YEC into the 5th Slam Indoors, bring back carpet

Or should Indian Wells/Rome/Miami be converted into Best of 5 ????
You don't seem to be a tennis fan.
You can't "introduce" a new slam.
There are four slams. That is the history of tennis.
 

R. Schweikart

Professional
Yes there is no use watching tennis if there are no world class athletes chasing records.

After Novak goes down Tennis will take a huge dip, it already is dipping with the downfall of Federer, once Federer & the other 2 guys go tennis might collapse.

Med-Zvrv-********** are not capable of leading Tennis
Nadal and especially Federer will be missed.
Djokovic not so much.
 

Sunny014

Legend
Nadal and especially Federer will be missed.
Djokovic not so much.
All of them will be missed.

Novak has made Tennis interesting with his dominance, or else we would have seen Fedal party run until 2020, Novak ensured that 2010s was a very strong decade much like Federer ensuring that 2000s was a strong decade, without Fed the 2000s would have been trash and without Novak the 2010s would have been trash
 

Bumbaliceps

Semi-Pro
Yes there is no use watching tennis if there are no world class athletes chasing records.

After Novak goes down Tennis will take a huge dip, it already is dipping with the downfall of Federer, once Federer & the other 2 guys go tennis might collapse.

Med-Zvrv-********** are not capable of leading Tennis
If we have 5 players reigning on tennis with a much higher level than the big 3, but they don't chase records, you won't be able to appreciate. You will watch the matches and think the tennis sukks. Because you are not a amateur of sports, you need to worship persons, and I feel sorry that this crazy world makes people to trap themselves in their own mental prison like you do
 

goldengate14

Professional
Records of the Big 3 might never break now, youngsters don't need seem capable.

I guess it is time to introduce a 5th slam which is the best of 5 sets.

Preferably on a new surface or new conditions ....

What do you suggest ?

My suggestion is to convert YEC into the 5th Slam Indoors, bring back carpet

Or should Indian Wells/Rome/Miami be converted into Best of 5 ????
Players say Indian Wells. Have done for 15 years!
 

Sunny014

Legend
If we have 5 players reigning on tennis with a much higher level than the big 3, but they don't chase records, you won't be able to appreciate. You will watch the matches and think the tennis sukks. Because you are not a amateur of sports, you need to worship persons, and I feel sorry that this crazy world makes people to trap themselves in their own mental prison like you do
Most fans of the sport are following because of heroes.
In a world without heroes Tennis would be useless.
Not just tennis, any sport will be useless without a benchmark and people chasing it.
That is human life, we look for inspiration to touch new boundaries and in the process inspire people who follow after us, that is life.

So yes, nobody cares whether Med/Zverev/Tsitsi are dividing slams among themselves in their own dull way, if they cannot attract viewers by playing charismatic Tennis then they are useless and Tennis would suffer bigtime.
 

Bumbaliceps

Semi-Pro
Most fans of the sport are following because of heroes.
In a world without heroes Tennis would be useless.
Not just tennis, any sport will be useless without a benchmark and people chasing it.
That is human life, we look for inspiration to touch new boundaries and in the process inspire people who follow after us, that is life.

So yes, nobody cares whether Med/Zverev/Tsitsi are dividing slams among themselves in their own dull way, if they cannot attract viewers by playing charismatic Tennis then they are useless and Tennis would suffer bigtime.
But you can't see "charismatic tennis". You just see numbers. Your appreciation of them solely depends on their number of slams
 

thrust

Hall of Fame
Records of the Big 3 might never break now, youngsters don't need seem capable.

I guess it is time to introduce a 5th slam which is the best of 5 sets.

Preferably on a new surface or new conditions ....

What do you suggest ?

My suggestion is to convert YEC into the 5th Slam Indoors, bring back carpet

Or should Indian Wells/Rome/Miami be converted into Best of 5 ????
There will be NO additional Slam unless one of the present one's is eliminated, which I seriously doubt will ever happen.
 
I think it will be a long time if ever until another slam is added. Honest answer for the only reason they might add one is if the powers that be think it would help bring a large new market.

For example if China started producing more top players and the Shanghai Masters started selling out and gaining status.

Indian Wells is the current most popular master's 1000, but I don't see them adding a slam in a country/market that already has one.
 

TennisLurker

Semi-Pro
Records of the Big 3 might never break now, youngsters don't need seem capable.

I guess it is time to introduce a 5th slam which is the best of 5 sets.

Preferably on a new surface or new conditions ....

What do you suggest ?

My suggestion is to convert YEC into the 5th Slam Indoors, bring back carpet

Or should Indian Wells/Rome/Miami be converted into Best of 5 ????
I see winning both Indian Wells and Miami the same year in consecutive weeks as almost winning a slam.
 

Dufflefan

New User
You don't seem to be a tennis fan.
You can't "introduce" a new slam.
There are four slams. That is the history of tennis.
I understand your point that the four grand slams have long enjoyed premier status both before and during the open era, and thus serve as a collective and critical cultural reference point. However, prior to the 1920s none of the four tournaments were classified as "major championships" or "grand slams," yet all were played for many years prior. As history is the study of change, processes, and identities, I don't think it's feasible to claim that their standing equates to "the history of tennis." To the contrary, I think they are only components of a much more complex system of change/changes, and that each plays a part in certain histories which have occurred at different rates, in different ways, for different people.

Given history is an interpretative practice which navigates fluidly between artistic and scientific methods of evaluation, I don't see why people here on the forums shouldn't debate and/or question the importance, relevance, and characters of certain tournaments.
 

Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
I am OK with 4 slams. Waiting for 50+ years for some male player snatch it again, and see what’ve got?
It’s so difficult with 4, why make it harder?
 

Sunny014

Legend
I am OK with 4 slams. Waiting for 50+ years for some male player snatch it again, and see what’ve got?
It’s so difficult with 4, why make it harder?
Why to win all 4 ? I mean why is it considered the holy grail ? We all know that CYGS comes only when competition is crap, look at the women's tennis with so many NCYGS or that period in 2015-2016 when Novak took NCYGS after Nadal's decline and Fed becoming really old ? Should a CYGS of that sorts be rated higher than those periods when Nadal was stopping Fed and Novak with some really high octane play? Obviously competition matters more, right?

In the same vein I want to promote diversity.

Let there be 5 slams in 5 different countries.

Lets say

Aus Open - Plexicushion that is medium slow
French Open - Clay that is really slow
Wimbledon - Grass that should be sped up, let a bit of servebotting be there to make the americans and other servebots happy.
Chinese Open - Upgrade Shanghai masters into something of a slam to promote tennis in Asia
US open - Shift it to the year end and make it indoor carpets, lightning fast low bounce conditions

Also if ATP wanted to control the Big 3 then they could have announced at the end of 2018 that next year in 2019 all slams shall be played with wooden racquets or graphite, no more big bazooka type racquets.

See what happens to the tour then, they could still do this from 2022, the slams race would become interesting, youngsters would smack the big 3 black and blue.
 

R. Schweikart

Professional
Why to win all 4 ? I mean why is it considered the holy grail ? We all know that CYGS comes only when competition is crap, ...
The Grand Slam (what does this "CY" mean anyway?) can come even when you have to beat two ATGs in the slams' finals. And it even can come together with an Olympic gold, making it a "Golden Slam."
Provided your name is Stefanie Maria Graf and are a blond goddess from Germany.
 

Sunny014

Legend
The Grand Slam (what does this "CY" mean anyway?) can come even when you have to beat two ATGs in the slams' finals. And it even can come together with an Olympic gold, making it a "Golden Slam."
Provided your name is Stefanie Maria Graf and are a blond goddess from Germany.
Your blonde Goddess had no backhand, someone like Serena would belt her hard in this era, Graf is below Serena, accept it.
 

mental midget

Hall of Fame
a 5th slam on carpet would be interesting just for an even wider surface distribution. but it couldn't be the YEC, a major would need a proper draw. an asian slam would make the most sense. btw, i don't see any of this happening but in the spirit of participation...
 

Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
Why to win all 4 ? I mean why is it considered the holy grail ? We all know that CYGS comes only when competition is crap, look at the women's tennis with so many NCYGS or that period in 2015-2016 when Novak took NCYGS after Nadal's decline and Fed becoming really old ? Should a CYGS of that sorts be rated higher than those periods when Nadal was stopping Fed and Novak with some really high octane play? Obviously competition matters more, right?

In the same vein I want to promote diversity.

Let there be 5 slams in 5 different countries.

Lets say

Aus Open - Plexicushion that is medium slow
French Open - Clay that is really slow
Wimbledon - Grass that should be sped up, let a bit of servebotting be there to make the americans and other servebots happy.
Chinese Open - Upgrade Shanghai masters into something of a slam to promote tennis in Asia
US open - Shift it to the year end and make it indoor carpets, lightning fast low bounce conditions

Also if ATP wanted to control the Big 3 then they could have announced at the end of 2018 that next year in 2019 all slams shall be played with wooden racquets or graphite, no more big bazooka type racquets.

See what happens to the tour then, they could still do this from 2022, the slams race would become interesting, youngsters would smack the big 3 black and blue.
I just want four.
You must surely be part of the heretics who changed the Davis Cup format and ruined it.
You are a threat to tennis.
 

BGod

Legend
Strategically if it ever happened it is likely the following would be involved:

1. It's held in Asia (Middle East included)
2. It is hard court, different variation, maybe indoors but hard court
3. Either before clay season or after USO

I mean, personally I think it would either elevate Shanghai or Dubai.
 

Sunny014

Legend
a 5th slam on carpet would be interesting just for an even wider surface distribution. but it couldn't be the YEC, a major would need a proper draw. an asian slam would make the most sense. btw, i don't see any of this happening but in the spirit of participation...

China or Japan or UAE (dubai) are good countries to have the Asian Slam, I think Dubai would be excellent, so would Japan.

Tennis will rise a lot in Asia and new champs will emerge if promoted
 

R. Schweikart

Professional
China or Japan or UAE (dubai) are good countries to have the Asian Slam, I think Dubai would be excellent, so would Japan.

Tennis will rise a lot in Asia and new champs will emerge if promoted
Dubai??
Third world dictatorships, that's what the "Sunny" likes....
 

Sunny014

Legend
Dubai??
Third world dictatorships, that's what the "Sunny" likes....
Doesn't matter whether it is dictatorship, sports is sports.

I can even endorse a slam in south africa if it promotes tennis in africa and produces powerful athletes

Tennis is not a fiefdom of brits and the other european countries anymore, a sport grows when various cultures play it

Federer and Novak are among the most inferior elite athletes in the world if we judge them on raw athleticism, only Nadal qualifies as a bonafide world class elite athlete when we compare him to the rugby players, ice hockey guys, footballers, sprinters, boxers etc etc

So yes, Tennis needs to spread more if the level of athleticism has to go up
 

R. Schweikart

Professional
Doesn't matter whether it is dictatorship, sports is sports.

I can even endorse a slam in south africa if it promotes tennis in africa and produces powerful athletes

Tennis is not a fiefdom of brits and the other european countries anymore, a sport grows when various cultures play it

Federer and Novak are among the most inferior elite athletes in the world if we judge them on raw athleticism, only Nadal qualifies as a bonafide world class elite athlete when we compare him to the rugby players, ice hockey guys, footballers, sprinters, boxers etc etc

So yes, Tennis needs to spread more if the level of athleticism has to go up
Let the "raw athletes" of rugby, hockey, football, sprinters, boxers play a 5 hour slam match.
And return to your cartoon TV shows.
 

Dufflefan

New User
Doesn't matter whether it is dictatorship, sports is sports.

I can even endorse a slam in south africa if it promotes tennis in africa and produces powerful athletes.
I understand the wish to believe sport is apolitical, but sports are highly political in a huge variety of ways.

South Africa is an excellent example. By the mid-1970s, almost all professional global sporting bodies (despite the moral dubiousness of many) had banned South Africa from participating in global professional sport over Apartheid. The road to that point began against the backdrop of decolonization movements following World War II, and continued through to the 1960s (1955 Bandung Conference, 1960 Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, 1964 United Nations Conference on Trade and Development, etc.), and into the 1970s. However, South Africa were allowed to participate in the Davis Cup from 1973 having previously been excluded after a series of events triggered by the refusal to grant Arthur Ashe a visa in 1970. In 1973, the government did provide Arthur Ashe with a visa so he could compete in the South African Open.

During that visit, Ashe met members of the South African government and visited Soweto so he could, in his own words, see Apartheid with "his own eyes and own mind." This had, in some ways, been the first globally-visible result of a near-decade long effort on the part of non-white South Africans to further their cause for racial justice through sport which had begun with the forming of SAN-ROC in 1962 (South African Non-Racial Olympic Committee). However, Ashe's visit caused conflict between those who believed that a boycott of South Africa was the best way to apply global political pressure to topple Apartheid, and those - like Ashe - who saw dialogue and diplomacy as the better strategy. Spurred on by Ashe's visit, some Americans - most notably Richard Lapchick - began to use the United States' global position to further pressure South Africa by forming a coalition of anti-Apartheid groups in the United States which assembled as "ACCESS" (American Coordinating Committee for Equality in Sport and Society) in 1976. Along with the founder of SAN-ROC, Dennis Brutus, Lapchick and all the members of the ACCESS coalition succeeded in bringing further attention to the situation and were praised heavily by the then-exiled ANC. Josiah Jele of the ANC noted that ACCESS had "through its initiatives and activities has answered the call by millions of sportsmen and sports-loving people in South Africa in their just struggle to attain non-racial and democratic sport."

In 1977, ACCESS took direct aim at South Africa's participation in the Davis Cup, with Lapchick declaring "the ultimate goals were to have South Africa thrown out and the matches to never take place...it was painful that we knew so little about South Africa in the United States." Critically, the Davis Cup tie was scheduled to take place in the United States (April 15 to 17), and Dennis Brutus who was exiled and then living in the United States wrote to President Carter and Secretary of State Cyrus Vance, along with many racial justice movements in the United States including the CCBA (Coalition of Concerned Black Americans). Letters were also sent to the USTA pointing out their hypocrisy given the earlier ban imposed on South Africa between 1970 and 1973:

"...it is inconceivable that under such circumstances, as the position of the rest of the world hardens, American tennis interests persistently press their attempts to reverse their own ban of the early 1970s. More, they are attempting to force other Davis Cup member nations to accept South African players under threat of being themselves ousted." (Letter by Jewell Handy of the CCBA).

Slew Hester, then president of the USTA, said there would be no attempt to stop the matches, and declared they would go ahead as planned. When Bob Lutz and Stan Smith played Byron Bertram and Frew McMillan, 400 protestors had, during the first two sets, been chanting "South Africa, Go Home!" but in the third set, two protestors, Rev. Alvin Dortch and Stanley Alexander, ran onto the court and poured motor oil on the surface prompting U.S. Davis Cup captain Tony Trabert to run after them and hit with his racquet, and force the police to come onto the court. The match resumed, but protests continued the following day with ten people running onto the court while Roscoe Tanner was facing Ray Moore. A spokesperson for the hundreds of protestors which had turned up at the Newport Beach Club said "the demonstration was aimed at the sporting philosophy of South Africa, which runs counter to that of the United States, where competitors are chosen on the basis of merit."

More protests were held in 1977 when Vanderbilt University hosted a Davis Cup tie. Students and faculty marched outside the college campus every day hold signs reading "Racism Is Not Fun and Games: Don’t Play Ball With South Africa." The Chancellor of Vanderbilt at the time Alexander Heard, argued that cancelling the tie would go against the university's "traditional open forum" philosophy. In response, 200 faculty members signed a petition "abhorring Apartheid and all denials of human rights." As efforts continued, South Africa eventually added Peter Lamb - someone the South African government "officially" listed as "colored" - which ultimately led to Ray Moore quitting the South African team arguing that "I neither embrace nor endorse the policy of apartheid. I resent the interference of politics in the Davis Cup. In particular, I wish to play no part in a situation that threatens to turn a sporting event such as this US–South African match into a political demonstration." As the situation escalated in 1978, many countries began boycotting the Davis Cup including Canada, Mexico, Venezuela, and many Caribbean nations. The climax of the protests came when Lapchick was invited to appear on the PBS coverage of the 1978 United States-South Africa Davis Cup tie in Nashville, where he made the point that no arena in life was free of politics, and that everyone participates in socio-political actions and systems everyday.

Lapchick made the case that the value systems of play and sports are based in ideas of competition, fairness, and sportsmanship - ideals that ACCESS activists had consistently linked to the ideals of the United States design of democracy. These, ACCESS had argued, were obviously lacking in South Africa and sports were a microcosm of their Apartheid society. ACCESS also pointed out that ignoring it was a form of endorsement - something which the ITF heard and acted upon, banning South Africa from the Davis Cup again in 1978.

In sum, we all participate in political systems both consciously and unconsciously, and the story of the South African Davis Cup team in the 1970s makes this clear. Therefore, that means we - the fans - have more of a voice collectively than we might popularly imagine, and despite the power of capitalism and globalization, if we embrace the politics of sport rather than ignoring or denying it, then there is power for change at the grassroots level.
 

kishnabe

Talk Tennis Guru
4 is enough. A 5th one will congest the year.

Many players are a wreck after the US Open. Where can you add a 5th one....

Only scenario would be to remove Paris, Shaghai and the WTF.

Have an Indoor Grand Slam in China.
 

imonfire

Rookie
The ATP calendar has enough big tournaments throughout the year already. I'm in favor of:

- Keeping the current 4 slams intact
- Adding a grass Masters before Wimbledon
- Reducing the number of mandatory Masters, giving all players more flexibility to plan their schedules

BO5 final in one or two of the masters would be nice, I guess.
 
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Blahovic

Semi-Pro
It would sit very awkwardly with the history of the sport, but adding a South American slam and an Asian slam would be great for the future of the sport. A slam in Argentina or Brazil would produce an amazing atmosphere. It's a shame that Roland Garros isn't a South American slam imo.

It would also just be really cool from the spectator perspective to have one of the slams being an indoor tournament, in a growing market that doesn't get any of the biggest tennis tournaments.

I think a slam in Asia during the indoor season would do more for the growth and popularity of the sport than e.g. the World Tour Finals and Paris Masters combined.

It's also not right for such a global sport that 3 of the 4 slams are in English speaking countries and 3 of the 4 slams are in Western countries in the Northern hemisphere.
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
It's like a 5th Beatles. Why?
George Martin was an amazing producer, but there were only four Beatles.
Wrong way , point why most of the tour big tournament is from few countries for global sport, if you want to grow, you need to be diverse.
 
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