Which trio is better: Ferrer, Berdych & Tsonga OR Nishikori, Raonic & Dimitrov

Better trio?

  • Ferrer, Tsonga and Berdych

    Votes: 69 90.8%
  • Nishikori, Raonic and Dimitrov

    Votes: 5 6.6%
  • Tie (too close to call)

    Votes: 2 2.6%

  • Total voters
    76
  • This poll will close: .

clout

Hall of Fame
Close call between the two big 3's in the gatekeeping community.

I'll personally go with Ferrer, Berdych and Tsonga as their peak + consistency was a bit better imo, although the lostgen three may bag a slam in their 30's if they hang around for long enough to the point where the big 3 are all gone.

Discuss :D
 
It’s the first group, although I guess the second group could still win a slam, so could end up with better achievements.
 

King No1e

Legend
Trio 1 reached 3 Slam finals, won 4 M1000s, and reached career-high rankings of 3,4,5
Trio 2 reached 2 Slam finals, won 1 M1000, and reached career high rankings of 3,3,4
I'd say it's close, but due to the depth of competition at the turn of the decade compared to mid-2010's, I'd go with Ferrer, Berdych, and Tsonga.

Both groups of players were denied glory by the same 3 players - Nadal, Djokovic, and Federer.
 

clout

Hall of Fame
Damn trio 1 is owning this thread. This is on pace to being as lopsided as any Delpo/Cilic thread
 

tennisfan17

Semi-Pro
As much as I love Raonic (the only one on this forum I imagine :cry:) but to me there is a huge gap between his trio and the Tsonga,Berdych and Ferrer trio
 

clout

Hall of Fame
Wow Grigor - the youngest of the trio will turn 29 next year....

Time indeed flies so fast...
Yeah it's crazy how even these lostgen folks are beginning to exit their "primes."

It's kinda sad that this thread needed to be made since back in 2014 it looked like Nishikori, Raonic, and Dimitrov were gonna be trio that halted the dominance of the big 3/4, and now in 2019 (basically 2020), almost everyone considers them below the Ferrer/Berdych/Tsonga level (the top 3 slamless players from the peak big 3/4 era).
 

LETitBE

Hall of Fame
it should not even be a question,out of the second three Dimi is the only one who could maybe still do something
 

DSH

Legend
Yeah it's crazy how even these lostgen folks are beginning to exit their "primes."

It's kinda sad that this thread needed to be made since back in 2014 it looked like Nishikori, Raonic, and Dimitrov were gonna be trio that halted the dominance of the big 3/4, and now in 2019 (basically 2020), almost everyone considers them below the Ferrer/Berdych/Tsonga level (the top 3 slamless players from the peak big 3/4 era).
In the first place, Raonic and Nishikori should never be exalted as the new jewels of world tennis, not counting their physical limitations.
And regarding Dimitrov a little more of the same, only that the pleasures of life are sometimes, or almost always, very tempting.
 

clout

Hall of Fame
In the first place, Raonic and Nishikori should never be exalted as the new jewels of world tennis, not counting their physical limitations.
And regarding Dimitrov a little more of the same, only that the pleasures of life are sometimes, or almost always, very tempting.
In hindsight, no they never should've been given that hype, but in 2014, it looked like they may be able to take some slams away from the big 4. We gotta remember, 2014 was a weird year in tennis: Djokovic and Nadal looked more vulnerable than they have in several years, many thought Federer was on the doorstep of retirement, and Murray was coming back from surgery. On the other hand, those three lost gen'ers made big strides in the 2014 season, and the tour in general severely lacked fresh meat as the golden gen had conquered the top 10/15 for the last 6-7 years up to that point.
 

tonylg

Hall of Fame
Tsonga, Berdych and Dimitrov are a trio who on their day would push and often beat the best.

The other three are true gate keepers.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Trio 1 reached 3 Slam finals, won 4 M1000s, and reached career-high rankings of 3,4,5
Trio 2 reached 2 Slam finals, won 1 M1000, and reached career high rankings of 3,3,4
I'd say it's close, but due to the depth of competition at the turn of the decade compared to mid-2010's, I'd go with Ferrer, Berdych, and Tsonga.

Both groups of players were denied glory by the same 3 players - Nadal, Djokovic, and Federer.
Make that 4. :cool:
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
Similar level, they all go slamless in the peak Big4 era. Only who has good chances to win a Slam is Safin, who is the more talented.
Roddick who took peak Federer to 5 sets in W2009 final (after beating Berdych, Hewitt and Murray), and beat defending champion Djokovic at AO2009 (and also beat Djokovic the following three times they met in straight sets in Masters QFs on HC) has no chance?

You say you never assume. But apparently there is some day-dreaming involved.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Which lunatics voted for Nishikori, Raonic, Dimitrov? I see 2 votes so probably Nishikori and Raonic themselves.

LMAO even Dimitrov won't vote for himself.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
Roddick who took peak Federer to 5 sets in W2009 final (after beating Berdych, Hewitt and Murray), and beat defending champion Djokovic at AO2009 (and also beat Djokovic the following three times they met in straight sets in Masters QFs on HC) has no chance?

You say you never assume. But apparently there is some day-dreaming involved.
Roddick is 0-8 against Federer at Slams. Pre-2011 Djokovic is not peak.

I don't see Roddick going through Big4 to win a Slam, I'm sorry.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
The irony.
Djokovic since 2011 had better results against better opponents:

"I feel because tennis has improved so much and professional sport in general that young athletes are more dedicated, more professional, more responsible. They understand the kind of holistic approach to, so to say, professional tennis and professional sport in general.

15 years ago when I was making my breakthrough, I didn't think it was as professional as it is today"
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
You wish stuff.
Roddick never won a Slam by beating Big4. He had chances and he failed just like other players mentioned in this thread.

Hewitt neither. Only who did is Safin, which I put in the category of Wawrinka, Del Potro and Cilic, talent wise.
 

blablavla

Hall of Fame
Roddick never won a Slam by beating Big4. He had chances and he failed just like other players mentioned in this thread.

Hewitt neither. Only who did is Safin, which I put in the category of Wawrinka, Del Potro and Cilic, talent wise.
Did Sampras win any slam by defeating the big 4?
 

clout

Hall of Fame
Tsonga, Berdych and Dimitrov are a trio who on their day would push and often beat the best.

The other three are true gate keepers.
Wouldn’t really include Dimitrov in this either.

He’s 1-7 against Federer, 1-12 vs Nadal and 1-9 vs Djokovic...horrid numbers all around. Also his only win against Federer was when he had a back issue and his only win against Nadal was when he had a wrist injury.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Tbh all these guys have much better records against Murray compared to the other three (with the exception of Tsonga).
Fact remains that collectively they are 22-65 v Murray and each of them, with the sole exception of Berdych, won less then 50% of their encounters (Berdych just edges over the 50% mark). Moreover none of them ever beat Murray at the business end of Slams with the sole exception of Dimitrov in one of Murray's weakest post operative seasons (2014 Wimbledon).

On almost all occasions, Murray was a wall barring them from further progress in the biggest events.
 

ForumMember

Hall of Fame
Roddick who took peak Federer to 5 sets in W2009 final (after beating Berdych, Hewitt and Murray), and beat defending champion Djokovic at AO2009 (and also beat Djokovic the following three times they met in straight sets in Masters QFs on HC) has no chance?

You say you never assume. But apparently there is some day-dreaming involved.
Nishikori did beat Djokovic on his fav hardcourt and almost beat Nadal on Clay in Madrid. Guess those two are more impressive than taking to Fed to 5 and then losing.
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
Slam matches won vs Elo > 2400:

Berdych, Ferrer, Tsonga --> 4
Nishikori, Raonic, Dimitrov --> 2
Safin, Hewitt, Roddick --> 1
 

Lew II

Hall of Fame
Wouldn’t really include Dimitrov in this either.

He’s 1-7 against Federer, 1-12 vs Nadal and 1-9 vs Djokovic...horrid numbers all around. Also his only win against Federer was when he had a back issue and his only win against Nadal was when he had a wrist injury.
Excuses. If they play they're not injured. Even more if they complete the match.
 
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