Which type of player is the worst to play with?

MRfStop

Professional
I dont mind playing with the not very good 3.0 or 3.5 either in mixed or combo.

The kind of player I can't stand playing with is the one who is only worried about their rating and will take a break in the match. Or the higher rated player who wants to give constant suggestions on every point lost.
 
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OnTheLine

Hall of Fame
For me it is all about extremes ....
Those that take the match and every single point so seriously you think they may explode when they make an error
Those that play like they don't care at all.
Happy middle people!

Attitude ... I need/want someone as positive as I am
Complainers ... get off my court. I don't care if it is cold/hot/windy/humid/too early/too late/too dark/too sunny ... PLEASE stop complaining, how great is it that we are out playing rather than anything else?

I second @MRfStop on those that are worried about their rating ... complain about opponents too low in the ranking, on the wrong court blah blah blah .... play the person/people in front of you!
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
1) People that advise on technique rather than strategy. "Let's try harder to get to the net" is more welcome than "You need to close your racket face more on your FH to get more spin"

2) people that take winning too seriously. It's rec tennis. No prize money. No need to meltdown after every bad shot.

3) People that laugh when they make an unforced error. I just spent 3 shots setting up that easy sitter at the net for you and you framed it right into the net, and then you go and giggle like a school girl over it. At least be a little upset at yourself.

4) Pushers with no net game. Totally useless in doubles. Come back when you learn to volley.
 

MRfStop

Professional
1) People that advise on technique rather than strategy. "Let's try harder to get to the net" is more welcome than "You need to close your racket face more on your FH to get more spin"

2) people that take winning too seriously. It's rec tennis. No prize money. No need to meltdown after every bad shot.

3) People that laugh when they make an unforced error. I just spent 3 shots setting up that easy sitter at the net for you and you framed it right into the net, and then you go and giggle like a school girl over it. At least be a little upset at yourself.

4) Pushers with no net game. Totally useless in doubles. Come back when you learn to volley.
I played with a 4.5 recently in a 4.5 tournament. He was a hot head and constantly gave me instruction when I didn’t make the return etc.
 

OnTheLine

Hall of Fame
3) People that laugh when they make an unforced error. I just spent 3 shots setting up that easy sitter at the net for you and you framed it right into the net, and then you go and giggle like a school girl over it. At least be a little upset at yourself.
It may be that I have done this. Covering up that what I really want to do is cry or scream or kick something/body.
 
Rec 3.0 players who have one foot in the grave, who come out to the mx'er hoping to get through it and get to the wine bar--who don't say hello, good-bye or anything in-between--you need to hold a mirror under their nostrils to see if they're breathing--get offended if you try to make small-talk asking about what they did before they retired--deciding for their side to serve first, motioning to their partner to give them the balls, and then lose their serve double faulting and missing everything--can't keep track of the score--have NO shots of their own, but after hacking for a thousand years can block the ball back short hitting everything off the frame never hitting a string--and so much, much more--like complaining vociferously when you lob or hit the ball too hard to them--apparently their was a memo issued prior to the 3.0 mx'er that there would be NO lobbing, hitting driven balls to the ladies--bye,bye.
 
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R1FF

Semi-Pro
I hate doubles as it is. But I’ve been forced into playing it more & more just to get court time.

1. Pet peeve is playing with a partner who feels we are going to lose before the match starts. Im generally the worst player on the court (because I always play with far more experienced & skilled players) so my “partners” just assume we’re gonna lose. Even worse is when they openly say it before the match starts. Then their body language is just crap. This has happened consistently since I was a 2.5 all the way up util yesterday (4.0).

Funny thing is tho, I win 2/3 of the doubles sets I play. And I hold serve 90% of the time. I always take the AD side so I can bail us out of deficits. But I rarely get the impression my partners are very confident in our chances to start. And they’re always ecstatic & surprised when we start to win the set.

2. The other type of partner I cant stand is the overly aggressive ball hog at the net that feels the need to cover 3/4 of the court. I appreciate great net play but if it’s resulting in tons of unnecessary & unjustified unforced errors, they just look like a spaz that is sabotaging our match from within.

I sometimes get the impression that a lot of those who prefer doubles only do so because it allows their impatience to go unpunished. Doubles points in my experience are far quicker than singles. And this creates a culture of aggressive strokes where everything must be a winner.

Try that in singles and you will get blown out. Try just a little patience in doubles and it’s pretty effective. But for the impatient, they can justify their overzealous strategy because “this is how doubles is played”. I disagree, but what do I know. Im not a doubles guy. Even tho Im getting decent at it.
 

OnTheLine

Hall of Fame
I sometimes get the impression that a lot of those who prefer doubles only do so because it allows their impatience to go unpunished. Doubles points in my experience are far quicker than singles. And this creates a culture of aggressive strokes where everything must be a winner.

Try that in singles and you will get blown out. Try just a little patience in doubles and it’s pretty effective. But for the impatient, they can justify their overzealous strategy because “this is how doubles is played”. I disagree, but what do I know. Im not a doubles guy. Even tho Im getting decent at it.
Part of why I equally enjoy both singles and doubles ... I love the aggressiveness of doubles and in singles there is real pleasure in the patience and at the same time finding your kill shot moments.

Now to add another type of player to the list I don't want to partner with ... someone who is impatient or un-steady at baseline. In doubles you rarely are going to win the point from the baseline .... why are you trying on every single point?
 

tennytive

Professional
An argumentative 3.5 who thinks it's okay to post here starting and belaboring multiple threads that question and/or bad mouth her partner(s).
 

Traffic

Hall of Fame
I dont mind playing with the not very good 3.0 or 3.5 either in mixed or combo.

The kind of player I can't stand playing with is the one who is only worried about their rating and will take a break in the match. Or the higher rated player who wants to give constant suggestions on every point lost.
I'm assuming partners.
I can't stand the player that yells at me for making a mistake. Like I don't know that I made a mistake and I'm already struggling to keep my composure about it. Getting upset with me only makes it worse. Need to get me out of the twilight zone and back into the on fire zone. That's what partners do.

Also, partners that don'e understand that the best way to win is to set up your partner at net. Don't try to win it at baseline.
 

mhj202

Rookie
2) people that take winning too seriously. It's rec tennis. No prize money. No need to meltdown after every bad shot.

3) People that laugh when they make an unforced error. I just spent 3 shots setting up that easy sitter at the net for you and you framed it right into the net, and then you go and giggle like a school girl over it. At least be a little upset at yourself.
That seems like a fine line-- you want them to be "a little upset" but not "take winning too seriously." Just need to be the exact right amount of upset. LOL
 

R1FF

Semi-Pro
Part of why I equally enjoy both singles and doubles ... I love the aggressiveness of doubles and in singles there is real pleasure in the patience and at the same time finding your kill shot moments.

Now to add another type of player to the list I don't want to partner with ... someone who is impatient or un-steady at baseline. In doubles you rarely are going to win the point from the baseline .... why are you trying on every single point?
From the sounds of it tho, you at least have the ability to be patient in singles.

Most doubles players I see do not have the skills or ability to sustain a competitive rally. They hide this deficiency by playing doubles where it’s justifiable to be overly aggressive.

I disagree tho. Considering there is a teammate there that one should be respectful of and trying to work with to construct points.

But I see very little construction or actual teamwork. It’s just 4 people on the same court, doing their own thing, and keeping score.

That’s why I say the game gets a lot easier to win with just a tad bit of patience & strategy. Letting the two opponents spaz out on every return stroke is easy pickings.

These same players I crush in singles.

Their excuse is that they’re too old to cover the court anymore. Which is BS. Their problem is they cant construct a point.

I think in doubles it’s more dynamic because you need to work with a partner to construct that point. And in my case, since Im playing in round robin training sessions, I dont even know any of my partners so there is a feeling out process. Even more reason to be patient.

But Im conditioned for this. Decades of pickup basketball forces you to learn how to build chemistry with teammates as fast as possible. So that’s my main intention going into a doubles set. Im less focused on the opponents and more focused on how to work with my teammate. My assumption, based on other sports, is that this has an exponentially better impact on our results than our individual play.

I dont get the impression my partners are on the same wavelength. Especially when they start off voicing their displeasure with having to play with me. And these arent even the reasons I hate doubles. But Im giving it a honest shot.

I need to find a good partner that wants to play WITH me.
 
Big Ego guy in red shorts--some new guy who walks on and thinks he's SO good, takes over the court, but, he ain't THAT good.

Old lady exuding white matron privilege who thinks others should pick up the balls behind her.
 

thehustler

Semi-Pro
Jerks. They're the worst. Come in all shapes and sizes. I've been good at weeding them out over the years and am fortunate to play with good groups of people.
 

Dansan

Rookie
I don't have the patience for the doubles. I admit it, I hereby declare it. Can't deal with pushas', buntas', moonballas', no rhythm no pace players, and two time junk-punks. Doubles is filled with it, the whole lot of em'!. A pushas' playground I say!
They play a different game than I do. I refuse to play their game and give them a competitive match. All this group of no good bozos' will get outta me will be a session of maximum ball bashing. Watch out son! 85mph forehand comin' straight for ya son!
 
The better my opponent the better my game, and the other way around. I can challenge a 4.5/5.0 player, especially on faster surfaces, but am I playing against a 2.0 moonballer with inconsistent shots or anyone who doesn't have s solid game, he/she has a good chance of demolishing me.
 

Dansan

Rookie
The better my opponent the better my game, and the other way around. I can challenge a 4.5/5.0 player, especially on faster surfaces, but am I playing against a 2.0 moonballer with inconsistent shots or anyone who doesn't have s solid game, he/she has a good chance of demolishing me.
I'm starting to believe that the 3.0-4.5 level is not necessarily a factor of form and proper technique. I have seen 4.5 ex college players lose to someone that appeared to me like a 2.5-3.0 junk baller. But in reality, I believe the junk baller was just a master at his craft and was really more like a 4.0 based on his match success against other players. But yeah, I seent it with my own two eyes.

I play better against someone who plays with "proper" rythm/pace/and form, whatever "proper" means these days. The truth is players that want to succeed in these levels play junk ball because it works, and they know how to upset the balance of a fragile minded 4.0. If they wanted to lose they would play with rhythm and pace. That's why when I encounter a pusha' , I start-a-blastin'! That's all they'll get outta me, I'll likely lose anyway ! Release the frustration!
 
I play better against someone who plays with "proper" rythm/pace/and form, whatever "proper" means these days. The truth is players that want to succeed in these levels play junk ball because it works, and they know how to upset the balance of a fragile minded 4.0. If they wanted to lose they would play with rhythm and pace.
My biggest nightmare is a REALLY slow frying pan second serve from my opponent which gives me way too much time to think and pressure to clinch the point. The moonballers I've had trouble with don't do it on purpose. It's everything they can - no rhythm, zero pace and no form of any kind.
 
A 3.0 /3.5 rec player will thrive on your pace!--they can't produce any of their own with their ****ty technique, but having played every day of their lives, they've become good at blocking the ball back and placement. Unless you can totally overwhelm them with power, they'll block it back off their frames or the butt end of their racket for a shanked winner.
 
A 3.0 /3.5 rec player will thrive on your pace!--they can't produce any of their own with their ****ty technique, but having played every day of their lives, they've become good at blocking the ball back and placement. Unless you can totally overwhelm them with power, they'll block it back off their frames or the butt end of their racket for a shanked winner.
Exactly! The question is, how to unarm them? Since it's no option, for me at least, to raise my game so much that they just simply succumb, especially when it's about points, I've dealt with it by lowering my own game to same junk level. This works pretty well but it's no tennis anymore. And it certainly isn't fun.
 

Pitti

Rookie
I can stand any level or style of playing. I’ll try to adapt. It’s part of the game. But what I hate and almost can’t stand is having to deal with those guys who shout and swear each time they lose a point. I only enjoy when they lose it and hit or crack their expensive racquet in a tantrum.
 
I can stand any level or style of playing. I’ll try to adapt. It’s part of the game. But what I hate and almost can’t stand is having to deal with those guys who shout and swear each time they lose a point. I only enjoy when they lose it and hit or crack their expensive racquet in a tantrum.
Man, that sound like a minor issue to me, if you're still winning the points. :D But yeah, bad behavior and swearing is never okay. This reminded of a high-ranked corporate director I once played golf with, or we were a gang of five. He got so pissed off after missing a decisive putt that he threw his golf bag in a nearby pond and headed straight to his car. Just to come back two minutes later do dive after his car keys he'd put in the bag pocket. :cool:
 

Pitti

Rookie
Man, that sound like a minor issue to me, if you're still winning the points. :D But yeah, bad behavior and swearing is never okay. This reminded of a high-ranked corporate director I once played golf with, or we were a gang of five. He got so pissed off after missing a decisive putt that he threw his golf bag in a nearby pond and headed straight to his car. Just to come back two minutes later do dive after his car keys he'd put in the bag pocket. :cool:
Haha. That’s funny. :-D

Obviously, if I’m winning the point, it’s a minor issue and it can be funny from the outside, but I hate silly shouting in any situation. These guys also tend to also shout whenever they win a point, which I find equally annoying. I can stand a concrete shout like a “cmon” or a “f”. But I would gladly quit a match just not to hear adults who can’t properly control themselves.
 
But what I hate and almost can’t stand is having to deal with those guys who shout and swear each time they lose a point.
Yah, they usually exclaim how they CAN'T believe they could miss the shot, like some body-double was missing for them. THEY would NEVER miss the shot--it was the wind, the sun, the...the...the...the end. The psychotherapist is the worst for this one.
 

esgee48

Legend
In doubles, the partner who won't move off the net to chase down their own lobs; who won't switch; who don't bring a NEW can of balls, yada yada. In singles, the person who is always talking; lose track of the score. [Happily, these are very infrequent occurrences. :laughing: ]
 
Yah, they usually exclaim how they CAN'T believe they could miss the shot, like some body-double was missing for them. THEY would NEVER miss the shot--it was the wind, the sun, the...the...the...the end. The psychotherapist is the worst for this one.
Don't forget the disbelieving and exasperated glance at the racquet and its strings right after every missed shot.
 
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Today I'll play against another 3.0 pusher who plays a continental grip from both sides and serves with a semi-western. He can hit really hard flat first serves but his second serve varies between 10-30 mph - he just pushes it over the net with a frying pan. It'll be another tough afternoon for me, that's for sure...:confused:
 

TypeRx

Semi-Pro
2) people that take winning too seriously. It's rec tennis. No prize money. No need to meltdown after every bad shot.

3) People that laugh when they make an unforced error. I just spent 3 shots setting up that easy sitter at the net for you and you framed it right into the net, and then you go and giggle like a school girl over it. At least be a little upset at yourself.
I see these 2 as in conflict with each other. I do, at times, laugh at myself when I miss an easy shot because its a way of telling myself, "it's okay, **** happens". It is certainly better (for me and also the general match environment/opponent) to have some levity rather than to scream and fuss :)
 
The worst for me is the idiot who gets mad at every error.
He doesn't realize that even ATP players make tons of routine errors.

Offering technical advice on the court is idiotic.
It takes thousands of reps to fix a habit.
Weeks & months. Not the next point.
 
2) people that take winning too seriously. It's rec tennis. No prize money. No need to meltdown after every bad shot.
3) People that laugh when they make an unforced error. I just spent 3 shots setting up that easy sitter at the net for you and you framed it right into the net, and then you go and giggle like a school girl over it. At least be a little upset at yourself.
2 or 3. Pick one.
3 is actually a smart coping mechanism
 
I'm starting to believe that the 3.0-4.5 level is not necessarily a factor of form and proper technique. I have seen 4.5 ex college players lose to someone that appeared to me like a 2.5-3.0 junk baller. But in reality, I believe the junk baller was just a master at his craft and was really more like a 4.0 based on his match success against other players. But yeah, I seent it with my own two eyes.

I play better against someone who plays with "proper" rythm/pace/and form, whatever "proper" means these days. The truth is players that want to succeed in these levels play junk ball because it works, and they know how to upset the balance of a fragile minded 4.0. If they wanted to lose they would play with rhythm and pace. That's why when I encounter a pusha' , I start-a-blastin'! That's all they'll get outta me, I'll likely lose anyway ! Release the frustration!
I know guys who look like 3.0 hackers but are mid 4.0
I know guys who look 4.5 while rallying and are 3.0
 
I know players that look like 4.5s who are 4.5s. And I know players that look like 2.5s who are weak 3.0s. I do not, however, know any players who look like 5.5s who are from Iceland. I'm sure they are out there; I just don't know any.
I guess you don't hang out in Reykjavik very much...
 
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