Which year do you prefer 2013 or 2014 for ment's tennis
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tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
2014 by a mile.
2013 was all about Rafa.
2014 was good for tennis - new champions (Stan, cilic) on the scene, old champions still try to stay in the picture , future contenders emerging ( Nishikori to Kyrgios to Zverev to Coric) .. everything that you can ask for.
2013 was all about Rafa.
2014 was good for tennis - new champions (Stan, cilic) on the scene, old champions still try to stay in the picture , future contenders emerging ( Nishikori to Kyrgios to Zverev to Coric) .. everything that you can ask for.
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
2014. Federer with a wondeful little comeback of his own. Two new Grand Slam Champions was nice to see also.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
2013 had sooooooo many more memorable matches and there weren't so many players in shambles. Delpo was playing great tennis, Gasquet and Haas had great years, Gulbis/Rafa @IW, Nadal/Djokovic at the FO... just kills this year by a landslide. Delpo/Djokovic at Wimbledon stands out also.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Few of the memorable matches in 2014:
AO : Stan vs Novak
IW : Novak vs Fed
Rome : Novak vs Rafa
Madrid : Nishikori vs Rafa
MC : Stan vs Fed
FO : Murray vs Kohli
FO : Gulbis vs Fed
Wimb : Novak vs Dmitrov
Wimb : Novak vs Fed
Wimb : Kyrgios vs Rafa
USO : Monfils vs Fed
USO : Cilic vs Stan
USO : Raonic vs Nishi
USO : Novak vs Nishi
USO : Cilic vs Simon
USO : Ferrer vs Simon
Cinci : Ferrer vs Fed
Canada: Fed vs Cilic
Shanghai : Fed vs Mayer
Shanghai : Fed vs Novak
Shanghai : Fed vs Simon
WTF : Fed vs Stan
AO : Stan vs Novak
IW : Novak vs Fed
Rome : Novak vs Rafa
Madrid : Nishikori vs Rafa
MC : Stan vs Fed
FO : Murray vs Kohli
FO : Gulbis vs Fed
Wimb : Novak vs Dmitrov
Wimb : Novak vs Fed
Wimb : Kyrgios vs Rafa
USO : Monfils vs Fed
USO : Cilic vs Stan
USO : Raonic vs Nishi
USO : Novak vs Nishi
USO : Cilic vs Simon
USO : Ferrer vs Simon
Cinci : Ferrer vs Fed
Canada: Fed vs Cilic
Shanghai : Fed vs Mayer
Shanghai : Fed vs Novak
Shanghai : Fed vs Simon
WTF : Fed vs Stan
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
The WTF was also infinitely better last year and had some great close matches.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
2014 > 2013 :razz:
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
2014 for two reasons: Nadal made history with his amazing 9th French Open title, with a surgical dismantling of Djokovic. Memorable. the second reason: Marin Cilic put on a tennis clinic by utterly wiping the courts with the competition. MC was serious business with a great majors breakthrough performance.
beast of mallorca
G.O.A.T.
A poll would be nice.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
I'd hardly call winning a match in four tight sets a "surgical dismantling". You knew this already of course.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
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Federer302
Guest
2014 was great for tennis fans. US Open, a highlight.
Who didn't enjoy Stan's magical victory?
Fed's 4th set comeback at Wimbledon was incredible, the world stopped to cheer on the legend. The crowd going absolutly crazy. Never has one player been so loved.
Who didn't enjoy Stan's magical victory?
Fed's 4th set comeback at Wimbledon was incredible, the world stopped to cheer on the legend. The crowd going absolutly crazy. Never has one player been so loved.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
What about Wimbledon?
Merely reasonable :|
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Federer302
Guest
King troll trolling again.
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Expressing my opinion is trolling? :-?
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Why? Just because Novak won it? The Wimbledon final was better than any match at this year's RG. You seriously need to get over this pathetic clay obsession of yours! :twisted:
Mainad
Bionic Poster
For me personally, it has to be 2013. Murray winning Wimbledon of course and making 1 other Slam final. It is the last year he played before the dreaded back surgery and so the last year he was still playing at peak form.
Also, Nadal's 2013 comeback run all the way to the US Open was, of course, simply phenomenal and Djokovic was, of course, still being Djokovic. Of the Big 4, only Federer struggled that year. Contrast this to 2014 where only 2 of them (Djokovic and Federer) played consistently well all through the season!
Also, Nadal's 2013 comeback run all the way to the US Open was, of course, simply phenomenal and Djokovic was, of course, still being Djokovic. Of the Big 4, only Federer struggled that year. Contrast this to 2014 where only 2 of them (Djokovic and Federer) played consistently well all through the season!
Cesc Fabregas
Legend
2014 has been the crappest year in mens for ages. I'm not a Djokovic fan but I can appreciate his 2011 season for his amazing high level of play, 2014 has just been *****.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
I liked them both for different reasons. 2013 was great to see Nadal do as well as he did after his long lay-off and do well on hcs where many people were saying he could never succeed. But Federer was horrible in 2013 so that was not pleasant to see as a Federer fan. 2014 on the other hand saw Federer make a grand come-back and even do well enough to compete for the year end number one. He also almost won another Wimbledon title and he has finally implemented a more aggressive style with Edberg as his coach. Good stuff to see as a Fed fan.
NatF
Bionic Poster
I preferred 2014 on the whole though that's in large part due to Federer having a much better time of it. I thought the first half the year was excellent with the unexpected run from Stan. Federer's matches with Djokovic in Dubai and IW. The special performance from Novak in the Miami final.
Those Rome epics with Nadal. Some of Nishikori's tennis was great to see as well. The match with Dimitrov and Murray in Acapulco was good too.
Some nice storylines going on with the potential changing of the guard, Djokovic trying to get over his block in slam finals, Federer's resurgence, could Nadal's run on clay end...
It fell flat after Wimbledon though unfortunately with Nadal out and Djokovic stinking up till the China swing for the most part.
Those Rome epics with Nadal. Some of Nishikori's tennis was great to see as well. The match with Dimitrov and Murray in Acapulco was good too.
Some nice storylines going on with the potential changing of the guard, Djokovic trying to get over his block in slam finals, Federer's resurgence, could Nadal's run on clay end...
It fell flat after Wimbledon though unfortunately with Nadal out and Djokovic stinking up till the China swing for the most part.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
- What was striking about 2013 is that all tier 1 events were won by only 3 players. All 4 slams, all masters, WTF, 3 players only: Nadal, Djoko and Murray.
In 2013, not only did Fed win 0 tier 1 event but he reached only 1 final the whole year (Rome). That must have been his worst season since...forever. So it looked like Fed was the one of the big 4 on his way out (which also seemed consistent with his age.)
Bang, 2014 comes and what happens? It is Murray who vanishes with not even one tier 1 final to his name.
Question: Murray seems so far from his best level.
Temporary situation or worse?
-For the first time in their respective careers, the most successful Swiss of the year was not Federer! With 1 slam title and 1 master title, Wawrinka- rather out of the blue- outdoes Fed in achievements in 2014! (Fed won 2 masters). Can you feel the angst between the 2? (aka WTF locker room saga)
- Both Fed and Nadal achieved mitigated results: consistency was there but more finals lost than won: 2/5 for Fed and 2/3 for Nadal. For Nadal at least 1 of the 2 was a slam. Fed will be happy to have recovered consistency at least after his disastrous 2013.
The question is: after recovering consistency, can he still get success in his mid-30s and with all his mileage?
- After his stunning run on both hard and clay in 2013, which led some fans to marvel about how he had become better on hard than on clay, it was back to good old clay this year for Rafa with his 2 titles coming on that surface.
(9th RG being nothing short of huge though)
Rafa's season also suffered a tough blow when he had to withdraw from summer hard court altogether. This is now the 3rd season in a row that Rafa has played the big events sort of part time with no USO and WTF in 2014, no AO in 2013 and no USO and WTF in 2012.
A legit concern now for his fans is: will Rafa play a full season on the tour ever again?
Given all he skipped, finishing the season at #3 is rather remarkable.
- Djokovic is still looking for another 2011. While he was the unambiguous dominant player for the season and the year end #1 in 3 out of the last 4 years, his season was still less dominant than Nadal' s 2013, 2010, 2008 and even 2005 (when Nadal had only 1 slam but overall titles in the double digits). It was also less dominant than all 4 years of Fed's prime (2004 to 2007).
So the main concern about Djoko is: despite the fact that this is rightfully seen as his era, will he ever have another multiple slam season?
- Finally, 2014 was a bit less "exclusive" than 2013 with guys like Cilic, Wawa and Tsonga managing to sneak some big ones away from the usual same old.
Question: does that mean we are transitioning to new players taking charge? Not convincing yet with both Tsonga and Cilic wins being a "one off".
In 2013, not only did Fed win 0 tier 1 event but he reached only 1 final the whole year (Rome). That must have been his worst season since...forever. So it looked like Fed was the one of the big 4 on his way out (which also seemed consistent with his age.)
Bang, 2014 comes and what happens? It is Murray who vanishes with not even one tier 1 final to his name.
Question: Murray seems so far from his best level.
Temporary situation or worse?
-For the first time in their respective careers, the most successful Swiss of the year was not Federer! With 1 slam title and 1 master title, Wawrinka- rather out of the blue- outdoes Fed in achievements in 2014! (Fed won 2 masters). Can you feel the angst between the 2?
(aka WTF locker room saga)- Both Fed and Nadal achieved mitigated results: consistency was there but more finals lost than won: 2/5 for Fed and 2/3 for Nadal. For Nadal at least 1 of the 2 was a slam. Fed will be happy to have recovered consistency at least after his disastrous 2013.
The question is: after recovering consistency, can he still get success in his mid-30s and with all his mileage?
- After his stunning run on both hard and clay in 2013, which led some fans to marvel about how he had become better on hard than on clay, it was back to good old clay this year for Rafa with his 2 titles coming on that surface.
(9th RG being nothing short of huge though)
Rafa's season also suffered a tough blow when he had to withdraw from summer hard court altogether. This is now the 3rd season in a row that Rafa has played the big events sort of part time with no USO and WTF in 2014, no AO in 2013 and no USO and WTF in 2012.
A legit concern now for his fans is: will Rafa play a full season on the tour ever again?
Given all he skipped, finishing the season at #3 is rather remarkable.
- Djokovic is still looking for another 2011. While he was the unambiguous dominant player for the season and the year end #1 in 3 out of the last 4 years, his season was still less dominant than Nadal' s 2013, 2010, 2008 and even 2005 (when Nadal had only 1 slam but overall titles in the double digits). It was also less dominant than all 4 years of Fed's prime (2004 to 2007).
So the main concern about Djoko is: despite the fact that this is rightfully seen as his era, will he ever have another multiple slam season?
- Finally, 2014 was a bit less "exclusive" than 2013 with guys like Cilic, Wawa and Tsonga managing to sneak some big ones away from the usual same old.
Question: does that mean we are transitioning to new players taking charge? Not convincing yet with both Tsonga and Cilic wins being a "one off".
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
You are hyper-defensive. There was no version of that encounter where Djokovic was going to win that match.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Rome: Murray vs Rafa was also a good one.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Still doesn't mean it was as straightforward as you make it out to be.
Btw how did you like this year's Wimbledon final TV? :lol:
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
There was nothing wrong at all, with his post...:-?
chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
There wasn't much resistance against big 4 in 2013. The results were predictable. The good thing was, however, to see a lot of young players emerging. In 2014, those emerging players and perennial challengers actually made some serious runs. Also, the competition got a lot better and big 4 were knocked out by various different players. From these, I think 2014 is easily better than 2013.
90's Clay
Banned
2013 for sure. Nadal winning the French and Sweeping the north american hardcourt tourney.
2014 was boring because with Nadal out its nothing but pretty much the Nole show. Cilic/Wawa winning Slams were nice and all but we all know they were FLUKES. They will never follow them up
2014 was boring because with Nadal out its nothing but pretty much the Nole show. Cilic/Wawa winning Slams were nice and all but we all know they were FLUKES. They will never follow them up
djokovicgonzalez2010
G.O.A.T.
2014 was better for sure, slightly better quality and much more exciting results- most notably the rise of young players. I think most people saying 2013 are doing a knee-jerk reaction to an admittedly awful WTF
Which part of expressing an opinion don't you understand?
Sadly, it seems reading comprehension is lacking....
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I liked the W final. That one was really good. The other slam finals were not great. AO: injured player, RG: a bit of a letdown compared to that epic semi the year before. USO: complete rout. Awful.
WTF: hijacked by a chicken
WTF: hijacked by a chicken
I liked the W final. That one was really good. The other slam finals were not great. AO: injured player, RG: a bit of a letdown compared to that epic semi the year before. USO: complete rout. Awful.
WTF: hijacked by a chicken
Nadal didn't play WTF this year.
eldanger25
Hall of Fame
2013, I think - but it's close. Del Potro and Lendl-era Murray have been missed in 2014 (though Stan's triumph and the emergence of Gulbis, Nishikori, and the teenagers has been great this year).
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
@vero: how was Nadal's 2005 better than Djokovic's 2014?? Weren't a fair few of his titles from that year Mickey Mouse clay tournaments? He also didn't win the WTF, 4 Masters 1000 titles or reach any other Slam finals either!
Weren't a fair few of his titles from that year Mickey Mouse clay tournaments? He also didn't win the WTF, 4 Masters 1000 titles or reach any other Slam finals either!
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
I know. If he had, we would have had a great final instead of a chicken gate
We are talking about WTF here
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
@vero: how was Nadal's 2005 better than Djokovic's 2014??
I know. That one is arguable. Nadal DID win 4 masters in 2005 but of course not WTF. I was basing my opinion on the fact that Nadal won 11 titles that year. Tier 1 or not, that's a really high # but I know Djoko had the WTF and an extra slam final. I have no problem with not including 2005. That one was probably closer to a tie than anything else: WTF vs 4 more titles albeit 250s and 500s.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Ah yes, I forgot Nadal won 4 Masters titles in 2005 although Nole won his 4 on two different surfaces this year! :razz:
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
So did Nadal! Madrid indoors nonetheless!
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
I'd still take Nole's 2014 over his 2005. :wink:
The Green Mile
Bionic Poster
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
BTW, did you know that 2013 was the season when tier 1 was dominated by the fewest players. It is a record in open era. Season ranking by # of different players winning the tier 1 events (slams, masters, WTF):
1- 2013: 3
2- 2011, 2007: 4
3- 2012, 2006, 2005, 1995, 1988: 5
4- 2014, 2010, 2009, 2008, 1994, 1987, 1986, 1983, 1979, 1974: 6
5- 2004, 1993,1989, 1985, 1984, 1980, 1978, 1977,1976: 7
6- 2003, 1992, 1973: 8
7-2001, 2000, 1999, 1998, 1982, 1981, 1972, 1971,1970: 9
8- 2002, 1997, 1996, 1991, 1990, 1975: 10
So in terms of fewest guys to share the tier 1 cake, the most dominant seasons are 2013 and 2011.
The most common # is 6 (this year's #)
1- 2013: 3
2- 2011, 2007: 4
3- 2012, 2006, 2005, 1995, 1988: 5
4- 2014, 2010, 2009, 2008, 1994, 1987, 1986, 1983, 1979, 1974: 6
5- 2004, 1993,1989, 1985, 1984, 1980, 1978, 1977,1976: 7
6- 2003, 1992, 1973: 8
7-2001, 2000, 1999, 1998, 1982, 1981, 1972, 1971,1970: 9
8- 2002, 1997, 1996, 1991, 1990, 1975: 10
So in terms of fewest guys to share the tier 1 cake, the most dominant seasons are 2013 and 2011.
The most common # is 6 (this year's #)
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veroniquem
Bionic Poster
3 different: clay, outdoor hard, indoor hard. (Rafa did too in 2005
- that's the only season when Nadal won an indoor hard master: Madrid + Canada on outdoor hard + clay)
Algo
Hall of Fame
2 conclusions:
- Federer was not AS dominant as it might appear, thus no weak era. I would've expected that stat to be 2 players from 05 to 08, but it isn't.
- 2013 was indeed a very boring year. Who wants to see the same 3 guys taking it all...
okdude1992
Hall of Fame
Mustard contributes a lot to the forum with all his statistics, and great knowledge of the game. You are attacking him for his opinion. Who's really the troll here?
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