Which year of tennis has the stronger level of competition, 2011 or 2024?

[tennisandtennis]

2011 Djokovic - gets his butt handed to him nearly twice by a very old Federer and bagelled by Nishikori

TTW reaction: absolutely amazing level of tennis! Perhaps the highest peak level ever reached!

2024 Sinner - destroys prime Djokovic at AO 6-1 6-2, breaking the latter's 33 match win streak.

TTW reaction: very overrated and incompetent compared to the Big 3

Old men shout at clouds, mashing keyboards incessantly

 

[Phenomenal]

We are already 1/3 into the year, and I think that at this point, we could make some fairly accurate comparison between strength of the tennis field this year and 2011. Now, please note that we will be looking at it from the perspective of each year's most dominant player, namely 2011 for Djokovic and 2024 for Sinner, meaning that for 2011, we will be excluding Djokovic and for 2024, Sinner will not be counted.

Top competitors in 2011:
Nadal
Federer
Tsonga
Murray
Berdych

Top competitors in 2024:
Djokovic
Alcaraz
Medvedev
Tsitsipas
Ruud

And I will be giving my opinion (please note, this is just my opinion. I don't intend to troll):

On hard courts, I think they are about even. Djokovic, Alcaraz and Medvedev are superb on hard courts. Carlos has just won Indian Wells in a dominating fashion, Medvedev reached the AO final, and as for Djokovic, well, he is a 14 time HC Slam champion. Nuff said.
In 2011, you had Federer, Nadal and Murray. Djokovic has a better record on HC than Federer. Nadal's level on HC was very high that year, although rather short-lived (at only the Sunshine Doubles did he show his peak HC level, and other than that, he was very underwhelming for the rest of the season), and Murray reached the AO final and won Cincinnati. But other than that, nothing else notable.

On clay, having Nadal really helps the 2011 field to edge out the 2024 field. But without Nadal, then I would have to go with 2024. Tsitsipas's and Ruud's level at MC were comparable to Federer's level in RG 2011 semi-final. Nonetheless, ignoring Nadal here would be massive cherrypicking, hence 2011 takes the cake.

On grass, we don't really know yet... I will come back to this thread in July.

With that being said, I think that 2011 was an incredibly overrated year in terms of level of competition. Particularly Djokofans love to hype up it like it is the strongest year ever, but it really is not. In fact, far from it. 2011 was still a part of the weak era, to be honest.

What do you guys think? 2011 or 2024?

Your early threads was better and atleast make some sense.

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Your early threads was better and atleast make some sense.

Or, you are just an extremely butthurt and jealous Djokofan (or one of the victims of Djokfans' indoctrination, in which case I understand), who is unable to accept that Djokovic will never be the GOAT.

 

[RS]

 

[Razer]

Or, you are just an extremely butthurt and jealous Djokofan (or one of the victims of Djokfans' indoctrination, in which case I understand), who is unable to accept that Djokovic will never be the GOAT.

Djoker is already goat with 24.... he is the leader now..... doesnt matter who is fan or not.... they have to accept his supremacy of numbers

 

[Phenomenal]

Or, you are just an extremely butthurt and jealous Djokofan (or one of the victims of Djokfans' indoctrination, in which case I understand), who is unable to accept that Djokovic will never be the GOAT.

I'm a Nadal fan lol.

 

[RS]

Some good earlier threads from the OP.

Hot take: Djokovic in 2015 could have brought out his 2011 level at any time, but chose not to.

People very often claim that even though Djokovic achieved better numbers in 2015 than he did in 2011, his level in 2011 was “significantly” higher. But I have a feeling that Djokovic was simply trying to conserve energy in 2015 by refraining from going completely all out in matches unless...

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Are Federer's AO titles as inflated as Djokovic's Wimbledon titles?

As phenomenal as Djokovic is as a grass court player, I think that they are a little bit too inflated. He has won 7 Wimbledon titles, the same as Pete Sampras and one less than Federer. I think that Djokovic's first 4 Wimbledon titles were definitely well-earned. 2011 - faces red-hot Tsonga and...

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[thrust]

If stupidity or trolling was worthy of being banned here, half the members would be gone by tomorrow.

SO TRUE- LOL!

 

[SonnyT]

Is there any argument? 2011, there was top-notch opposition; 2024, we don't even know how Djokovic and Alcaraz will fare yet.

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Some good earlier threads from the OP.

Hot take: Djokovic in 2015 could have brought out his 2011 level at any time, but chose not to.

People very often claim that even though Djokovic achieved better numbers in 2015 than he did in 2011, his level in 2011 was “significantly” higher. But I have a feeling that Djokovic was simply trying to conserve energy in 2015 by refraining from going completely all out in matches unless...

tt.tennis-warehouse.com

Are Federer's AO titles as inflated as Djokovic's Wimbledon titles?

As phenomenal as Djokovic is as a grass court player, I think that they are a little bit too inflated. He has won 7 Wimbledon titles, the same as Pete Sampras and one less than Federer. I think that Djokovic's first 4 Wimbledon titles were definitely well-earned. 2011 - faces red-hot Tsonga and...

tt.tennis-warehouse.com

In what way is my current thread any worse than those two you were referring to?

 

[RS]

In what way is my current thread any worse than those two you were referring to?

Didn't say it was

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Is there any argument? 2011, there was top-notch opposition; 2024, we don't even know how Djokovic and Alcaraz will fare yet.

So you think a heavily declined Nadal, old post-prime Federer and an immature Murray is "top-notch"?! LOL

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Didn't say it was

Whose fan are you? Djokovic? Federer?

 

[DSH]

Nadal was as good as he was in 2010, the declined Nadal is a big myth, Nadal was pretty close to his peak. Also Federer was right on Djokovic's tail and still almost in his prime. You won't find an year as good as that when Big 3 were all in their prime together and great. It is 2012 which is a bit overrated year but pretty close to 2011. 2024 is nowhere in comparison, Sinner is nothing, peak Djokovic would beat Sinner in straight sets.

False, Nadal clearly played better in 2010, except in IW and Miami, as has already been said several times.
Precisely, Nadal's defeats in those tournaments against Djokovic caused the Spanish player to have a mental block against his nemesis that prevented him from displaying his best game later, from Madrid to the US Open.

 

[inflation_era]

But didn't Federer retire in 2022.

Yeah, he retired at peak. But the game evolved beyond him. Like it's happening to Djokovic now.

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

False, Nadal clearly played better in 2010, except in IW and Miami, as has already been said several times.
Precisely, Nadal's defeats in those tournaments against Djokovic caused the Spanish player to have a mental block against his nemesis that prevented him from displaying his best game later, from Madrid to the US Open.

Spot on!! 2011 Nadal was weak particularly against Djokovic. Djokovic the ultimate vulture! (2011-2023)
Now, the weak era (2001-2023) is OVER!!
The beginning of the strong era / Sinner era is upon us! (2024-future)

 

[mahatma]

Yeah, he retired at peak. But the game evolved beyond him. Like it's happening to Djokovic now.

He wasn’t doing great when he retired. Had knee surgery etc. Though fair point that it was his peak.

Game did evolve a lot since he retired

 

[DSH]

Spot on!! 2011 Nadal was weak particularly against Djokovic. Djokovic the ultimate vulture! (2011-2023)
Now, the weak era (2001-2023) is OVER!!
The beginning of the strong era / Sinner era is upon us! (2024-future)

Hail the good sinner!

 

[inflation_era]

He wasn’t doing great when he retired. Had knee surgery etc. Though fair point that it was his peak.

Game did evolve a lot since he retired

Wasn't doing well because the game evolved beyond his peak. Hence the GOAT = time.

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Yeah, he retired at peak. But the game evolved beyond him. Like it's happening to Djokovic now.

Absolutely not. Federer was nowhere even remotely close to his peak in 2022. Also, tennis stopped evolving. It has been DEvolving in the past several years. It's like Idiocracy

 

[mahatma]

Spot on!! 2011 Nadal was weak particularly against Djokovic. Djokovic the ultimate vulture! (2011-2023)
Now, the weak era (2001-2023) is OVER!!
The beginning of the strong era / Sinner era is upon us! (2024-future)

What if Sinner loses a slam, it’s weak era again?

These eras change like diapers for a new born

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

What if Sinner loses a slam, it’s weak era again?

These eras change like diapers for a new born

Depends on who wins it though. If it is either Djokovic or Nadal who wins a slam from now on, then yes, it is a VERY weak era.
But if Sinner wins, then it is the strong era!
Welcome to the TTW logic

 

[mahatma]

Wasn't doing well because the game evolved beyond his peak. Hence the GOAT = time.

He retired when he wasn’t even playing tennis for about some months.

Game evolved beyond his peak - yes. Though that happened long back.

No one beats time though. That’s true

 

[inflation_era]

He retired when he wasn’t even playing tennis for about some months.

Game evolved beyond his peak - yes. Though that happened long back.

No one beats time though. That’s true

He wasn't playing because he knew he couldn't win. No one can be goat because the 300th ranked player in 2050 would destroy any version of Djokovic.

 

[mahatma]

Depends on who wins it though. If it is either Djokovic or Nadal who wins a slam from now on, then yes, it is a VERY weak era.
But if Sinner wins, then it is the strong era!
Welcome to the TTW logic

Ok - now I wonder why you started a thread around comparing 2011 to 2024 when you have the answer.

We need Sinner to win, it’s a strong era. If he loses, it’s a weak era. Right?

Rofl

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Ok - now I wonder why you started a thread around comparing 2011 to 2024 when you have the answer.

We need Sinner to win, it’s a strong era. If he loses, it’s a weak era. Right?

Rofl

PRECISELY!

 

[mahatma]

PRECISELY!

Though, won’t it be doubly bad if Sinner loses.

A loser losing in a lost era - can we term him a mega loser or something?

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

He retired when he wasn’t even playing tennis for about some months.

Game evolved beyond his peak - yes. Though that happened long back.

No one beats time though. That’s true

Please, stop with the evolution excuses! Anyone who has followed tennis over the years (like myself) should know that the game has stopped evolving at one point and started to devolve. As I said, tennis is like Idiocracy right now. Until, of course, the arrival of our savior, Jannik Sinner

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Though, won’t it be doubly bad if Sinner loses.

A loser losing in a lost era - can we term him a mega loser or something?

Since when is Sinner a "loser"?! The guy just dominated AO and Miami.
If you're referring to 2023, then nah, it doesn't count, because that was pre-prime Sinner. Sinner's prime began in 2024.
Just like some Djokofans do not like to count his losses pre-2011.

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Tennis has been in a pathetically weak era for a long time now. 2001-2023. But 2024 is the beginning of the strongest era since 1995.

 

[mahatma]

Since when is Sinner a "loser"?! The guy just dominated AO and Miami.
If you're referring to 2023, then nah, it doesn't count, because that was pre-prime Sinner. Sinner's prime began in 2024.
Just like some Djokofans do not like to count his losses pre-2011.

I am talking about a future, when Sinner ever loses.

Given, that when Sinner loses - it’s a weak era. What kind of player will Sinner be - if he can’t even win in a weak era. ROFL

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

I am talking about a future, when Sinner ever loses.

Given, that when Sinner loses - it’s a weak era. What kind of player will Sinner be - if he can’t even win in a weak era. ROFL

Wait no no! You misunderstood my point. I said that if either DJOKOVIC or NADAL wins and those wins coincide with Sinner's losses, then yes, it would be a weak era.
BUT if neither Djokovic or Nadal wins (and somebody else does) and Sinner loses, then it is still a strong era.
Got it?

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

But then, don't worry, because we know it would NEVER happen in the near future that Djokovic or Nadal will win any Big Title, let alone a Slam.
Djokovic is finished for good at 24, Nadal at 22.
Sinner is going to embarrass them both by ending up with 25.

 

[SonnyT]

Or, you are just an extremely butthurt and jealous Djokofan (or one of the victims of Djokfans' indoctrination, in which case I understand), who is unable to accept that Djokovic will never be the GOAT.

Djokovic will never be the GOAT, accepted by Megafanoftennis 100. Don't generalize!

 

[zvelf]

And I will be giving my opinion (please note, this is just my opinion. I don't intend to troll)

What a tragedy that the Djokovic fanatic propaganda has had such a profound influence on the minds of TTW users that even those that used to be devoted Fedal fans are starting to believe in the lies and BS told by Nole fanatics. You have been so thoroughly indoctrinated and I seek to help you all realize the truth once again.

The truth that 2011 Djokovic is an incredibly overrated weak era champion.

Also, man, Djokovic fans' propaganda has seeped so deeply inside your brains that even while being a non-Novak fan, you still make arguments in favor of him.
I am just here to expose the truth to the tennis fans - the truth in the GOAT debate.
Djokovic in 2011 was overrated, vulturing titles against a declined Nadal and a very old post-prime Federer. And deep down, his fans know it, rival fans know it, and most of all, Novak himself knows this.
This is why he and his fans feel insecure all the time. Not only was his peak very short (9 months of 2011, and 18 months of 2015-16), but he never had to overcome the toughest level of competition to establish his legacy.

I used to be a Djokovic fan, but now, yes, I do dislike him because of how incompetent I realise he is. I strongly hate incompetence and Djokovic is full of it.
You wanna talk about 2011?
He lost to Tipsarevic, Del Potro, Ferrer and got bagelled by Nishikori. He could not win a single title post-USO and couldn't even get past the RR stage at the ATP Finals!! How pathetic! Worst season ever! Even a 30 year old Federer had a more successful end to the 2011 season, winning Paris and the ATP Finals. I do not consider 2011 Djokovic to be so massively above 2011 Federer, if at all.

Sinner is going to win the Calendar Slam this year, the Olympic Gold + the ATP Finals. And then, more and more silly excuses will come from hypocritical Djokofans saying "but but peak Djokovic would straight set Sinner" or "but but but Djokovic is too old now."

Someone didn't "intend" to troll and then just trolls their entire thread. It's interesting how little self-introspection people have.

 

[zvelf]

I used to be a Djokovic fan, but now, yes, I do dislike him because of how incompetent I realise he is. I strongly hate incompetence and Djokovic is full of it.
You wanna talk about 2011?
He lost to Tipsarevic, Del Potro, Ferrer and got bagelled by Nishikori. He could not win a single title post-USO and couldn't even get past the RR stage at the ATP Finals!! How pathetic! Worst season ever! Even a 30 year old Federer had a more successful end to the 2011 season, winning Paris and the ATP Finals. I do not consider 2011 Djokovic to be so massively above 2011 Federer, if at all.

Sinner is going to win the Calendar Slam this year, the Olympic Gold + the ATP Finals. And then, more and more silly excuses will come from hypocritical Djokofans saying "but but peak Djokovic would straight set Sinner" or "but but but Djokovic is too old now."

Come on, just admit it, Megafanoftennis100. The love of your life is a huge Djokovic fan and she just kicked you out of the house and out of her life, right?

 

[No_Kwan_Do]

But then, don't worry, because we know it would NEVER happen in the near future that Djokovic or Nadal will win any Big Title, let alone a Slam.
Djokovic is finished for good at 24, Nadal at 22.
Sinner is going to embarrass them both by ending up with 25.

Sinner's won a slam and reached another solitary SF and he's almost 23. He'll be fortunate to reach double figures.

 

[Fabresque]

2024 Sinner beats 2011 Djokovic.

This is certainly a take.

 

[mahatma]

But then, don't worry, because we know it would NEVER happen in the near future that Djokovic or Nadal will win any Big Title, let alone a Slam.
Djokovic is finished for good at 24, Nadal at 22.
Sinner is going to embarrass them both by ending up with 25.

Lol.

Already given 25 to a player who has 1 slam. Okay.
Troller, living in his trolland

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

Lol. A thread full of ******** takes. 2011 is one of the strongest years in recent history with sll of the big three and Murray very close to their prime. Murray of 2011 would have good chances to be number 1 in 2024. Fed of 2011 would definitely be. Nadal of 2011 next to certain wins three slams in 2024. Djoko of 2011 would destroy the whole 2024 field playing with his left hand while typing posts into @Megafanoftennis100 's idiotic trolling threads with his free right hand.

 

[RS]

Lol. A thread full of ******** takes. 2011 is one of the strongest years in recent history with sll of the big three and Murray very close to their prime. Murray of 2011 would have good chances to be number 1 in 2024. Fed of 2011 would definitely be. Nadal of 2011 next to certain wins three slams in 2024. Djoko of 2011 would destroy the whole 2024 field playing with his left hand while typing posts into @Megafanoftennis100 's idiotic trolling threads with his free right hand.

He is trolling.

 

[RS]

Whose fan are you? Djokovic? Federer?

Nadal and Ali make me want to watch sports not Djokovic and Federer.

Djokovic and Federer get my respect for what they have achieved in the sport though.

 

[RS]

Nope.

Had to get some fight talk going.

 

[thrust]

Tennis has been in a pathetically weak era for a long time now. 2001-2023. But 2024 is the beginning of the strongest era since 1995.

Only time will tell, though I doubt it.

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

He is trolling.

I know that of course and specifically mentioned it, but it gets annoying after some time.

 

[RS]

I know that of course and specifically mentioned it, but it gets annoying after some time.

That's why cross sports derails are better.

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

That's why cross sports derails are better.

Sometimes fun but can also be annoying when you wanna discuss tennis. There is an odds and ends section for such stuff.

 

[RS]

Sometimes fun but can also be annoying when you wanna discuss tennis. There is an odds and ends section for such stuff.

Was joking a bit tbf. I do it less often now.

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Lol. A thread full of ******** takes. 2011 is one of the strongest years in recent history with sll of the big three and Murray very close to their prime. Murray of 2011 would have good chances to be number 1 in 2024. Fed of 2011 would definitely be. Nadal of 2011 next to certain wins three slams in 2024. Djoko of 2011 would destroy the whole 2024 field playing with his left hand while typing posts into @Megafanoftennis100 's idiotic trolling threads with his free right hand.

Until he comes across Jannik Sinner and gets embarrased like he was at the AO this year.
Then, of course, I would be in the stadium fanatically cheering for Sinner, so in that case, I wouldn't have enough time to post threads on TTW.

 

[Megafanoftennis100]

Also, you guys call me out on trolling? Why just me?!
You do realise that there are TTW users, who post more unreasonable and silly threads, right?
Someone even posted a thread about the possibility of 2015 Federer being better than his 2005 self and somehow trying to gain credibility. This is arguably even worse than my take on 2024 Sinner beating 2011 Djokovic.
And I have even seen some TTW users arguing that Djokovic would have defeated RAFA NADAL in the ROLAND GARROS FINAL in 2011, had he beaten Federer in the semis. And somehow, they expected to gain credibility. I mean, doesn't anyone find this to be ridiculous? Anyone who knows tennis well would have realised that Nadal would have embarrassed Djoker in the 2011 RG final had they met.

I don't understand, how can you guys be so cruel to ignore those trolls and instead, focus your attacks on only me?