Which year of tennis has the stronger level of competition, 2011 or 2024?

Which tennis year had the tougher competition?

  • 2011

    Votes: 69 85.2%

  • 2024

    Votes: 8 9.9%

  • Toss-up

    Votes: 4 4.9%
  • Total voters
    81
zvelf said:
Come on, just admit it, Megafanoftennis100. The love of your life is a huge Djokovic fan and she just kicked you out of the house and out of her life, right?
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No. First of all, I do not have any love of my life. Never did, never will.
Secondly, as I have clearly specified, the reason I dislike Djokovic is because of his unbearable incompetence as a tennis player!
 
Megafanoftennis100 said:
Also, you guys call me out on trolling? Why just me?!
You do realise that there are TTW users, who post more unreasonable and silly threads, right?
Someone even posted a thread about the possibility of 2015 Federer being better than his 2005 self and somehow trying to gain credibility. This is arguably even worse than my take on 2024 Sinner beating 2011 Djokovic.
And I have even seen some TTW users arguing that Djokovic would have defeated RAFA NADAL in the ROLAND GARROS FINAL in 2011, had he beaten Federer in the semis. And somehow, they expected to gain credibility. I mean, doesn't anyone find this to be ridiculous? Anyone who knows tennis well would have realised that Nadal would have embarrassed Djoker in the 2011 RG final had they met.

I don't understand, how can you guys be so cruel to ignore those trolls and instead, focus your attacks on only me?
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Not sure what posts you read but any troll gets his fair amount of backlash. There are tons of threads where those guys who say 2015 Fed was better than 2005 are called out. As for the Djoko-Nadal FO11 topic, this is not ridiculous at all. Not that I agree, but given Djoko was 4-0 in sets on clay and 6-0 in matches in 2011 against Ned, it is not an unreasonable take.
 
BorgTheGOAT said:
Not sure what posts you read but any troll gets his fair amount of backlash. There are tons of threads where those guys who say 2015 Fed was better than 2005 are called out. As for the Djoko-Nadal FO11 topic, this is not ridiculous at all. Not that I agree, but given Djoko was 4-0 in sets on clay and 6-0 in matches in 2011 against Ned, it is not an unreasonable take.
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Some people on this forum kept saying that I should get banned.
Whereas with the other trolls (at least, among the ones I have seen so far), they did not receive such mean comments.
Also, there are more examples of trolling which are more ridiculous than my comment about 2024 being stronger than 2011:
- Federer was playing the best tennis of his life at US Open 2015
- Federer was playing close to his prime level in 2014 Wimbledon final
- Federer was at his peak in 2021
- Djokovic played better in 2023 than he did in 2015 (Patrick Mouratoglou lol)

What about those trolls? Why isn't anyone advocating for them to be banned if they are going to be so harsh towards me?
 
Razer said:
Nadal was as good as he was in 2010, the declined Nadal is a big myth, Nadal was pretty close to his peak. Also Federer was right on Djokovic's tail and still almost in his prime. You won't find an year as good as that when Big 3 were all in their prime together and great. It is 2012 which is a bit overrated year but pretty close to 2011. 2024 is nowhere in comparison, Sinner is nothing, peak Djokovic would beat Sinner in straight sets.
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No he wasnt, not even close. The knee injury he got in 2011 AO forever robbed him of his insane movement and defensive skills. As for Federer, if you think 2011 was anywhere near peak Federer you clearly were not watching tennis in 2004-2006.
 
messiahrobins said:
No he wasnt, not even close. The knee injury he got in 2011 AO forever robbed him of his insane movement and defensive skills. As for Federer, if you think 2011 was anywhere near peak Federer you clearly were not watching tennis in 2004-2006.
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Exactly! Spot on! The only things I would perhaps disagree with are:
1. I wouldn't say the knee injury robbed him "forever." Nadal was actually really great in 2013, except for at Wimbledon.
2. In 2011 Roland Garros specifically, Federer was indeed playing at his 2004-2007 level, or perhaps even slightly higher. But overall throughout 2011, no.
 
messiahrobins said:
No he wasnt, not even close. The knee injury he got in 2011 AO forever robbed him of his insane movement and defensive skills. As for Federer, if you think 2011 was anywhere near peak Federer you clearly were not watching tennis in 2004-2006.
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Even Nadal has not beaten Peak Federer outside Clay in a Grand Slam, why even single out Djokovic ? Do you think 2008 Federer was peak Federer or what ? Federer's absolute peak ended in Dubai 2007.

Nadal was still similar in 2011 to what he was in 2010. Robbing of speed is nonsense. Nadal was already robbed on speed in 09 and if you look at it that was he was losing speed after that, so why single out 2011? Because he was getting kicked hard that year ?
 
Razer said:
Even Nadal has not beaten Peak Federer outside Clay in a Grand Slam, why even single out Djokovic ? Do you think 2008 Federer was peak Federer or what ? Federer's absolute peak ended in Dubai 2007.

Nadal was still similar in 2011 to what he was in 2010. Robbing of speed is nonsense. Nadal was already robbed on speed in 09 and if you look at it that was he was losing speed after that, so why single out 2011? Because he was getting kicked hard that year ?
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No, because that would severely hurt the argument about 2024 having tougher competition than 2011, which, of course, is certainly not what I want, hence I agree with him.
Also, I find it quite hypocritical that when prime Djokovic beats declined versions of Federer, Djokovic fans argue that Federer is a weak era champion and that prime Djoker > prime Roger any day of the week, but when prime Sinner beats "supposedly" declined versions of Djokovic, Djokovic fans will never accept the fact that the Djokovic is a weak era champion and that prime Sinner > prime Djokovic
Djokovic at AO 2024 semi-final was clearly better than Federer at WB 2015 final, USO 2015 final and AO 2016 semi-final, but somehow, Djokovic beat "prime" Federer, whilst Sinner never beat prime Djokovic?
Come on, the hypocrisy of Djokovic fans is getting absurd.
 
CHillTennis said:
I guess you forgot that Novak beat him in the finals of Miami in 2007. :-D

You need to work on your trolling.
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Also, I don't think it is an unreasonable take to assert that 2007 Cañas > 2011 Djoker at Sunshine Doubles, considering that Cañas defeated peak Federer at both IW and Miami in 2007. Obviously, peak Roger > peak Novak
 
Megafanoftennis100 said:
Also, I don't think it is an unreasonable take to assert that 2007 Cañas > 2011 Djoker at Sunshine Doubles, considering that Cañas defeated peak Federer at both IW and Miami in 2007. Obviously, peak Roger > peak Novak
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You can't name a single top level player that hasn't lost to a lower ranked player at some point during their career. And yes, even in their prime.
 
CHillTennis said:
Sinner lost to a 36 year old Novak Djokovic.

How many all-time-greats have lost to a player over the age of 35 after entering their prime?

You might want to think hard about that one.
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Sinner was NOT in his prime in 2023. His prime began in 2024. And for the record, he destroyed Djokovic in his very best tournament. No one has ever destroyed Federer at Wimbledon or Nadal at RG so decisively like Sinner did to Djokovic at AO.
 
Megafanoftennis100 said:
Sinner was NOT in his prime in 2023. His prime began in 2024. And for the record, he destroyed Djokovic in his very best tournament. No one has ever destroyed Federer at Wimbledon or Nadal at RG so decisively like Sinner did to Djokovic at AO.
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Actually Sinner lost a set to Djokovic in that semi-final.

No matter how desperate you might be to prove that Sinner somehow destroyed Djokovic at his best event. The reality is that Sinner wasn't even good enough to win in straights against a player that was 36 years old.

Poor attempt at trolling.
 
CHillTennis said:
Actually Sinner lost a set to Djokovic in that semi-final.

No matter how desperate you might be to prove that Sinner somehow destroyed Djokovic at his best event. The reality is that Sinner wasn't even good enough to win in straights against a player that was 36 years old.

Poor attempt at trolling.
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One needs to look at the game differential, not necessarily sets. There was a difference of whopping ELEVEN games between Sinner and Djokovic in their AO 2024 encounter.
2021 Wimbledon QF: Federer vs Hurkacz - difference of 10 games
2015 RG QF: Nadal vs Djokovic- difference of 10 games
 
Megafanoftennis100 said:
One needs to look at the game differential, not necessarily sets. There was a difference of whopping ELEVEN games between Sinner and Djokovic in their AO 2024 encounter.
2021 Wimbledon QF: Federer vs Hurkacz - difference of 10 games
2015 RG QF: Nadal vs Djokovic- difference of 10 games
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Why can't you just admit that you are not very good at trolling?
 
CHillTennis said:
Why can't you just admit that you are not very good at trolling?
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Why can't you just admit that Djokovic will never be the GOAT?

If you can admit that Djokovic is an overrated weak era vulture, who is not the GOAT, then I will not only admit that I am not good at trolling, but also stop trolling for good
 
Megafanoftennis100 said:
Why can't you just admit that Djokovic will never be the GOAT?

If you can admit that Djokovic is an overrated weak era vulture, who is not the GOAT, then I will not only admit that I am not good at trolling, but also stop trolling for good
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If Djokovic is a weak era vulture then that must mean that Sinner is too.
 
In 2023 Djokovic was better than Sinner.

Now in 2024, Sinner is playing better than Djokovic.

That's it. The rest of the tour remains the same.

Sinner is just a weak-era vulture.
 
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