Which year tops as the most successful for Rafa?

[abmk]

NatF,


agree with pretty much all of this

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7879473&postcount=45

suggesting that djokovic of USO 13 final was better than agassi of USO 2004 QF ( for those who actually saw those matches ) is hilarious

even more hilarious is suggesting that 2008 rafa who got absolutely crushed by tsonga would get through AO 2004 field that had agassi, safin, hewitt, nalbandian, ferrero, roddick all playing very well.


and the funniest of all , the verdasco - safin comparision showing stats b/w 4 different players .......:lol:

oh wait .... I just saw the 4 calendar slams post ........

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...... I can't stop laughing ...............

 

[NatF]

Hahahaha more comedy gold.

So Hewitt would beat prime Nadal in AO04 and USO05?

Agassi at 34 would beat peak Nadal? LMFAO.

Roddick USO06/07 wouldn't be beating prime Rafa either. Sorry.

2006 would correlate to Nadal's 2010 season and 07 to his 2011 season.

Face the facts, Nadal's had it tougher and so has Novak really.

And lol at saying Nadal of 07 would beat Nadal of 2011. How can he play himself? I replaced teenage Rafa with teenage Fed who wouldn't stand a chance.

Nadal wouldn't win 4 calendar slams, but I reckon he'd get 1. The rest injuries would stop him or the odd poor performance here and there. Still I think he'd do just as well as Federer did and win at least 11.

The comedy gold is you talking down Federer's era by replacing a strong Nadal on grass and clay with a much weaker by comparison teenage headcase Federer and calling it fair. You weaken Federer's era then say Nadal is so strong he would have done this this this and this. Complete BS. If you want to make it equal then you can't ignore the fact Federer had to play a strong Nadal on clay and grass.

Nadal of 2007 was better at RG and Wimbledon compared to 2011. It's a fact. USO 2007 Roddick took peak Federer to two tiebreaks, you bet he could beat Nadal an inferior USO player who he matches up better with.

Agassi being 34 is irrelevent. He was playing well and the windy conditions gave him an edge too. Much better than Novak of 2010 who didn't even make a masters final. And yes Hewitt of 2005 would beat 2009 Rafa at the USO.

If Federer didn't have a surface GOAT blocking his path he would have won far more in 04-07 than Nadal ever could. Putting Rafa in that era without an obstacle like Rafa himself on clay isn't comparable at all. The fact you talk about Calendar slams is in light of that just shows how delusional you are.

 

[abmk]

most successful year : 2010

best version : clay season 2008-early 2009 .....

 

[Anti-Fedal]

You people don't seem to understand that if Federer or Nadal were born earlier or later they wouldn't necessarily play the same way, they would have different opponents and reach different levels of play at different stages in their careers. You are remiss in ignoring these intangibles.

 

[MIKEPANTELAKIS]

I think it's 2014. Just unbelievable.

Agreed. It's definitely 2014.

 

[Firing Forehand]

2008 GOLDEN CAREER SLAM and beating Fed in his home.

 

[Chico]

You do wish a lot of bad stuff for Rafa, instead of just good for Novak.
Only time will tell. Wait & watch!

I do not wish anything bad to anyone. That is not true. I am just predicting what is likely to happen based on previous patterns and data.

 

[JoshT]

2014 - Year of the Bull.

 

[ibbi]

As mightily impressive as his 2008 and 2013 year were, neither of them can compete with a 3 slam year.

 

[The_Order]

suggesting that djokovic of USO 13 final was better than agassi of USO 2004 QF ( for those who actually saw those matches ) is hilarious

Yeah I saw both matches. Agassi wouldn't be troubling Nadal as much as Novak did.

even more hilarious is suggesting that 2008 rafa who got absolutely crushed by tsonga would get through AO 2004 field that had agassi, safin, hewitt, nalbandian, ferrero, roddick all playing very well.

Ferrero playing really well? What beating a bunch of hacks? Hahahaha.

Hewitt had his problems getting past 17 year old Rafa, the first 2 sets were very tight. Prime Rafa would've handled him no problem.

BTW did Fed beat all of those players? No, he beat 4 of the players you listed, one of which was exhausted Safin in the final lol Nadal would've easily handled him too. Nalbandian is the only tough opponent there for Rafa, but given Rafa is a champion player in Bo5 matches, it's not ridiculous to suggest he'd beat him as well.

None of those guys were playing at Tsonga's AO08 level. In fact, he's never even been able to reproduce it himself.

and the funniest of all , the verdasco - safin comparision showing stats b/w 4 different players .......:lol:

Yeah, look how many people on here are whinging about the WTF being slow and harder to hit winners. Now a defender like Rafa on a slightly slower HC (which plexi is compared to RA) is a LOT harder to hit winners against. Yet Verdasco still hit 95. You're delusional.

oh wait .... I just saw the 4 calendar slams post ........

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...... I can't stop laughing ...............

Well Fed got pretty close to it, we all seen how good Nadal can play on every surface when he's not injured. Federer as a teen wouldn't stand a chance against prime Nadal. He'd beat every opponent Fed faced from 04-07barring injury since there would be no Djokovic 2011 around. Injuries would be the only thing to stop him, it certainly wouldn't be teenage Federer.

So yeah, go ahead and laugh to mask that painful feeling you have inside knowing that everything I've said is true.

Oh and while you're at it, why don't you start laughing at how Nadal beat Fed at WIM and AO but Fed couldn't get 1 single win against Rafa at RG. In fact, he couldn't even push Rafa to 5 sets, not even once, despite being in his peak. LMFAO.

 

[beast of mallorca]

2014 - Year of the Bull.

10 Vamose for that !!!:twisted:

 

[LazyNinja19]

Going by the poll, 2010 seems to be widely considered as his best year. 2013 comes pretty close, considering the situation he was in, last year

 

[Team10]

Can't vote yet, WTF isn't over.

When it ends I shall make my vote, 2010 and 2013 are close right now IMO.

 

[beast of mallorca]

Can't vote yet, WTF isn't over.

When it ends I shall make my vote, 2010 and 2013 are close right now IMO.

even if he wins WTF this year, 2010 will still trump 2013.
3 GS >> 2 GS +1 WTF.

 

[mike danny]

Hahahaha more comedy gold.

So Hewitt would beat prime Nadal in AO04 and USO05?

Agassi at 34 would beat peak Nadal? LMFAO.

Roddick USO06/07 wouldn't be beating prime Rafa either. Sorry.

2006 would correlate to Nadal's 2010 season and 07 to his 2011 season.

Face the facts, Nadal's had it tougher and so has Novak really.

And lol at saying Nadal of 07 would beat Nadal of 2011. How can he play himself? I replaced teenage Rafa with teenage Fed who wouldn't stand a chance.

Nadal wouldn't win 4 calendar slams, but I reckon he'd get 1. The rest injuries would stop him or the odd poor performance here and there. Still I think he'd do just as well as Federer did and win at least 11.

Judging by the fact that nadal was not so great at the USO in 2009 i fancy hewitt's chances. he gave peak federer a pretty tough match. even if nadal wins it would not be easy.

What you omit is that the USO court was faster in 2004. Agassi would have given Nadal a hell of a match on that super fast court. Even Blake would have given Nadal a hell of a match at the USO

 

[NatF]

Judging by the fact that nadal was not so great at the USO in 2009 i fancy hewitt's chances. he gave peak federer a pretty tough match. even if nadal wins it would not be easy.

What you omit is that the USO court was faster in 2004. Agassi would have given Nadal a hell of a match on that super fast court. Even Blake would have given Nadal a hell of a match at the USO

Blake from 2005 at the USO would beat most versions of Nadal.

 

[mike danny]

All the calendar slam talk for nadal is pure speculation. Fact is Federer was closer to it than Nadal ever was. Now this is not speculation.

AO 2011 he loses to Ferrer of all people when he went for the Rafa Slam. And you are telling me he would not get injured? yeah right...

This is the main difference between Fed and Nadal. Fed knows hot to not get injured while nadal does not. This is why Federer will always have more chances at the calendar slam than Rafa

 

[mike danny]

Blake from 2005 at the USO would beat most versions of Nadal.

Yes but assuming he would have to go through Hewitt i fancy the aussie's chances. Nadal was sub par at the USO in 2009 while Hewitt was playing pretty well

 

[NatF]

Yes but assuming he would have to go through Hewitt i fancy the aussie's chances. Nadal was sub par at the USO in 2009 while Hewitt was playing pretty well

I already said that...Hewitt was strong in 2005.

 

[mike danny]

Hahahaha more comedy gold.

So Hewitt would beat prime Nadal in AO04 and USO05?

Agassi at 34 would beat peak Nadal? LMFAO.

Roddick USO06/07 wouldn't be beating prime Rafa either. Sorry.

2006 would correlate to Nadal's 2010 season and 07 to his 2011 season.

Face the facts, Nadal's had it tougher and so has Novak really.

And lol at saying Nadal of 07 would beat Nadal of 2011. How can he play himself? I replaced teenage Rafa with teenage Fed who wouldn't stand a chance.

Nadal wouldn't win 4 calendar slams, but I reckon he'd get 1. The rest injuries would stop him or the odd poor performance here and there. Still I think he'd do just as well as Federer did and win at least 11.

Ok let's play this game as well.

Federer at his peak in 2010 would have won 3 slams just like rafa. Assumin rafa is a teenager he would only stop him at RG. But at the others:

AO: he would have no problem winning that. he actually did win it in reality and he was far from peak.

W:no problem beating murray and Berdych back to back. Berdych would not trouble peak federer the same way he does with old federer

USO: with that draw fed would breeze without losing a set until the final. And given how poor novak was playing he would have beaten him in 4.

 

[robertharris]

Blake from 2005 at the USO would beat most versions of Nadal.

He definitely would not beat the 2010, 2013, or even 2011 U.S Open one, and would be very unlikely to beat the 2008 one either.

 

[mike danny]

He definitely would not beat the 2010, 2013, or even 2011 U.S Open one, and would be very unlikely to beat the 2008 one either.

but the 2009 one is beatable. i even give hewitt of 2005 a slight chance

 

[NatF]

He definitely would not beat the 2010, 2013, or even 2011 U.S Open one, and would be very unlikely to beat the 2008 one either.

2008 and 2011 would be beaten. 2010 and 2013 would struggle and could go either way.

 

[Team10]

even if he wins WTF this year, 2010 will still trump 2013.
3 GS >> 2 GS +1 WTF.

Opinions, opinions. I am leaning towards this though. 3 slams in a row on 3 different surfaces is just crazy, regardless of the opponents he had to beat doing it. If Rafa wins the WTF without losing a set(which I doubt) I might change my mind. Idk it's a tough decision.

 

[robertharris]

2008 and 2011 would be beaten. 2010 and 2013 would struggle and could go either way.

Ummm no. You are drastically overrating Blake. He was a good player and had a style that was somewhat effective vs Nadal, especialy in his youth. However he would not beat any of those versions of Nadal. The level Murray in 2008 and Djokovic in 2011 played at to beat Nadal is far beyond what peak Blake was ever capable of. The 2005 match was similarily tough to those matches, and Blake didn't have an easy time even beating him that year. The difference being Nadal was twice the player in 2008 and 2011, especialy on hard courts, than what he was in 2005.

In 2008 Blake was still a top 10ish player at pretty much at his best. He would have won the Olympic silver, a massive achievement for a player of his level, had Gonzalez not cheated in their semifinal. He still was already losing all his encounters with Nadal in best of 3s on hard courts. Best of 5s would be that much harder.

2008 and 2011 he might get a set. 2010 and 2013 Nadal woud spank any version of Blake. You must think Youzhny would be beating peak Nadal too. Youzhny at the 2006 U.S Open beat Nadal just as easily at the U.S Open, and Nadal was playing better and was a better player in 2006 than 2005.

 

[NatF]

Ummm no. You are drastically overrating Blake. He was a good player and had a style that was somewhat effective vs Nadal, especialy in his youth. However he would not beat any of those versions of Nadal. The level Murray in 2008 and Djokovic in 2011 played at to beat Nadal is far beyond what peak Blake was ever capable of. The 2005 match was similarily tough to those matches, and Blake didn't have an easy time even beating him that year. The difference being Nadal was twice the player in 2008 and 2011, especialy on hard courts, than what he was in 2005.

In 2008 Blake was still a top 10ish player at pretty much at his best. He would have won the Olympic silver, a massive achievement for a player of his level, had Gonzalez not cheated in their semifinal. He still was already losing all his encounters with Nadal in best of 3s on hard courts. Best of 5s would be that much harder.

2008 and 2011 he might get a set. 2010 and 2013 Nadal woud spank any version of Blake. You must think Youzhny would be beating peak Nadal too. Youzhny at the 2006 U.S Open beat Nadal just as easily at the U.S Open, and Nadal was playing better and was a better player in 2006 than 2005.

Blake of the 2005 Quarter finals was playing at an incredible level. Higher than anything Murray has ever achieved at the USO for a single match. That's the version of blake I mean. I don't care about 2008 Blake or Youzhny. The way Blake was moving and hitting the ball in that quarter final clash was immense. Might get a set is an absolute joke. He'd take 2 atleast.

 

[Xemi666]

2008 or 2010. Going simply by the numbers, it would be 2010 (3 slams>2), but I think winning RG, Wimbledon and OG (on fast HC) in a very short time span was very impressive.

 

[Xemi666]

Thanks. That's what I want to see, unlike Dedans Penthouse who's trying to derail the thread.

Lol, please. You think you're fooling anyone, with your post history? :lol:

 

[The_Order]

Ok let's play this game as well.

Federer at his peak in 2010 would have won 3 slams just like rafa. Assumin rafa is a teenager he would only stop him at RG. But at the others:

AO: he would have no problem winning that. he actually did win it in reality and he was far from peak.

W:no problem beating murray and Berdych back to back. Berdych would not trouble peak federer the same way he does with old federer

USO: with that draw fed would breeze without losing a set until the final. And given how poor novak was playing he would have beaten him in 4.

Completely agree.

 

[The_Order]

Judging by the fact that nadal was not so great at the USO in 2009 i fancy hewitt's chances. he gave peak federer a pretty tough match. even if nadal wins it would not be easy.

What you omit is that the USO court was faster in 2004. Agassi would have given Nadal a hell of a match on that super fast court. Even Blake would have given Nadal a hell of a match at the USO

In 2005, Nadal beat Agassi in Montreal.

I was talking 2009 if Nadal didn't get injured. Look at 2008 and 2010. Nadal was the man in the tennis world. Why not 2009? Because injury and personal problems affected his year. I think its very unlikely that his 2009 season would've been the same had he not been injured. Fed wasn't exactly playing great, nobody else was stepping up except Davydenko and Del Po who had a good run late in the year.

Hewitt beating Nadal in his prime is a joke and you guys know it.

 

[The_Order]

Ummm no. You are drastically overrating Blake. He was a good player and had a style that was somewhat effective vs Nadal, especialy in his youth. However he would not beat any of those versions of Nadal. The level Murray in 2008 and Djokovic in 2011 played at to beat Nadal is far beyond what peak Blake was ever capable of. The 2005 match was similarily tough to those matches, and Blake didn't have an easy time even beating him that year. The difference being Nadal was twice the player in 2008 and 2011, especialy on hard courts, than what he was in 2005.

In 2008 Blake was still a top 10ish player at pretty much at his best. He would have won the Olympic silver, a massive achievement for a player of his level, had Gonzalez not cheated in their semifinal. He still was already losing all his encounters with Nadal in best of 3s on hard courts. Best of 5s would be that much harder.

2008 and 2011 he might get a set. 2010 and 2013 Nadal woud spank any version of Blake. You must think Youzhny would be beating peak Nadal too. Youzhny at the 2006 U.S Open beat Nadal just as easily at the U.S Open, and Nadal was playing better and was a better player in 2006 than 2005.

Very well said.

These people need to overrate Fed's competition to help them sleep better at night.

Saying crap like a 34-35 year old Agassi would beat prime Nadal, yeah sure he would even though he couldn't get the job done against teen Nadal lol.

Or that Hewitt of all people would beat him. They forget how much Hewitt struggled against 2005 Nadal at AO on RA, prime Nadal would've won that match in straights.

Hewitt doesn't have Del Potro's firepower to beat Nadal like that. Nor does he have a serve anywehre near as powerful as Del Potro's was in 2009 that day. Even if Hewitt was able to break Nadal's serves, he would struggle to hold his own.

It's all rubbish. Blake would NEVER reach Novak 2011's level at USO. What a crock of ****. Murray also played extremely well against Rafa in that 08 SF.

 

[robertharris]

Blake of the 2005 Quarter finals was playing at an incredible level. Higher than anything Murray has ever achieved at the USO for a single match. That's the version of blake I mean. I don't care about 2008 Blake or Youzhny. The way Blake was moving and hitting the ball in that quarter final clash was immense. Might get a set is an absolute joke. He'd take 2 atleast.

Blake at his best lost to 35 year old Agassi. Granted I know 35 year old Agassi was still pretty good, and that was a great match, but Murray in top form (like he was in beating Nadal at the 08 U.S Open) would 90% likely beat 35 year old Agassi, and would never lose from 2 sets to 0 up as Blake did. Nadal also would have most likely beaten 35 year old Agassi at the 2005 U.S Open, given that he did it pretty comfortably (6-1 in the 3rd set) in the Canada final when Agassi was playing excellent; and Nadal in any of the years I mentioned was way better than 2005.

Sorry but we will have to agree to disagree on this. Even if you were right though you are now restricting it to one match in one tournament, where Blake probably wouldnt have even played Nadal (they would need to be in the same quarter, only 25% likely, Blake would have to avoid losing before then, now down to 15% likely), so it is pretty much moot.


BTW I agree prime Hewitt (or even possibly peak Blake) would beat Nadal at the 2009 U.S Open, but that is because Nadal was in extremely poor form at that event. He did well to even reach the semis. 2005 and 2006 U.S Open Nadal which lost earlier was probably better. Meanwhile this is the match delusional Del Potro fanboys tout endlessly to how Del Potro can supposably drub Nadal at his very best anywhere, including on clay or grass.