Who’s image has taken the biggest hit in 2020

Who’s image has taken the biggest hit in 2020


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King No1e

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic did nothing wrong really. Promoting healthy food or being wary of vaccines is not a bad thing. Adria Tour was great, a few players got a little bit sick and went on with their life. Line judge was unfortunate accident
There's promoting healthy food, then there's claiming that your emotions can influence water molecules or whatever pseudoscientific BS he was talking about.
Adria Tour was also a huge judgment error. Same with the line judge. Unfortunate accidents but still his fault.

Let's not pretend Djokovic hasn't done some truly dumbf*ck things this year.
 

Fedinkum

Legend
There's promoting healthy food, then there's claiming that your emotions can influence water molecules or whatever pseudoscientific BS he was talking about.
Adria Tour was also a huge judgment error. Same with the line judge. Unfortunate accidents but still his fault.

Let's not pretend Djokovic hasn't done some truly dumbf*ck things this year.
Please accept my salute.
 

Clay lover

Hall of Fame
People need to stop excusing Djokovic simply based on good intentions. If as a result of stupidity or impulsiveness he accidentally inconvenienced other people then it's on him no matter how unintentional it was.

Public opinion doesn't care about your intentions. It cares about the good or bad you generate.
 

pj80

Professional
There's promoting healthy food, then there's claiming that your emotions can influence water molecules or whatever pseudoscientific BS he was talking about.
Adria Tour was also a huge judgment error. Same with the line judge. Unfortunate accidents but still his fault.

Let's not pretend Djokovic hasn't done some truly dumbf*ck things this year.
He was probably taken out of context. Possibly he was just referencing Masaru Emoto, a researcher and alternative healer from Japan who did experiments to demonstrate "magic" of positive thinking that includes molecular structure of water being changed by positive thoughts or something like that.
 
Does it really affect one's image to be talking about that kind of thing though? I mean to be honest that's pretty prejudiced. There's no difference between that and believing in God. Are we going to talk about someone's image being ruined if they talk about their religion now?

Jesus people.
 

Arak

Semi-Pro
I voted Djokovic but I really believe both took big blows in 2020. It doesn’t matter what we think, it matters what the general public thinks:

Djokovic disqualified from USO for hitting a line woman. That’s it. That’s what the public knows. They will not go into the details, that it was an accident and unintentional. Disqualification is such a rare and shameful occurrence in tennis and it happened to Djokovic. Big reputation damage.

Zverev’s alleged domestic violence accusations. For the general public, they are true. Because they read it on their favorite news website. It was even on CNN. It doesn’t matter whether he really did it or not (and we still don’t know). The public believes he did it and he will be booed and jeered every time he takes on the court. Also big reputation damage.
 

Oceans

Rookie
Things to consider:
Djokovic: adria tour, PTPA, line judge, vaccines, health/nutrition/pseudo science, best of 3 suggestion in slams, applying to re enter players council
I believe all these harmless things you have mentioned especially with the way over the top reaction have actually enhanced not tarnished Djokovic's legacy/greatness. Just imagine if it was Federer or another lesser player and how different the reaction would be. ;)
 

octogon

Hall of Fame
Djokovic. Way more people know who he is and care about his actions than Zverev, who isn't that big a deal outside of tennis circles (yet). Djokovic's screw-ups (Aidra Tour, ball to lineswoman's throat etc) made global headlines around the world. Zverev's mistakes and alleged misdeameanors simply don't generate as much widespread interest because he is nowhere as famous as Djokovic.

People are more likely to forget that Zverev was even accused of domestic violence after awhile because he is not currently as famous, and the story can fade in memory if he continues to be successful in tennis. Djokovic's mistakes are magnified and remembered because he is the world.1 and so well known. Simply put, Djokovic has more of an image to hurt.
 
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Third Serve

G.O.A.T.
The truth is always somewhere in the middle. The naivety and passivity of people like you is equally as silly.
No it’s not and that’s a dangerous position to have. There are some things that are objectively, verifiably true and taking even a middle stance is too extreme. Like saying that the KKK and BLM are both bad (well, neither movement is that great, but this wording hides the fact that one is at least ten times worse than the other). Same deal with vaccines. They’ve been proven over and over again to work, and I know friends of mine who are actual doctors and people in the medical field who know they do. To me, it’s a bridge too far to dismiss evidence from all the people who would and should know while promoting YouTube videos from those who know far less about medicine. I can’t in good conscience say that both sides have good points or that both are bad when clearly one is a much more reliable source of info.

Not saying all centrism is bad. In fact, most of it might be a good thing. But not all of it.
 

EllieK

Hall of Fame
Things to consider:
Djokovic: adria tour, PTPA, line judge, vaccines, health/nutrition/pseudo science, best of 3 suggestion in slams, applying to re enter players council

Zverev: domestic violence, flouting covid rules, to be absentee father, general arrogant and pathetic attitude
that’s an nearly impossible choice but I have to go with Zverev. Nole has done and said some ill advised things, but IF the accusations against Zverev are true, domestic violence is far and away more serious.
 

Bumbaliceps

Rookie
No it’s not and that’s a dangerous position to have. There are some things that are objectively, verifiably true and taking even a middle stance is too extreme. Like saying that the KKK and BLM are both bad (well, neither movement is that great, but this wording hides the fact that one is at least ten times worse than the other). Same deal with vaccines. They’ve been proven over and over again to work, and I know friends of mine who are actual doctors and people in the medical field who know they do. To me, it’s a bridge too far to dismiss evidence from all the people who would and should know while promoting YouTube videos from those who know far less about medicine. I can’t in good conscience say that both sides have good points or that both are bad when clearly one is a much more reliable source of info.

Not saying all centrism is bad. In fact, most of it might be a good thing. But not all of it.
Vaccines are good, yes. Being anti-vax is a dangerous position, yes, and the source of it is mostly ignorance. It doesn't change the fact that it should only be normal to worry about a vaccine created in a year when it is normally supposed to take several years. It has absolutely nothing to do with Bill Gates or any form of complotism.
 

Third Serve

G.O.A.T.
Vaccines are good, yes. Being anti-vax is a dangerous position, yes, and the source of it is mostly ignorance. It doesn't change the fact that it should only be normal to worry about a vaccine created in a year when it is normally supposed to take several years. It has absolutely nothing to do with Bill Gates or any form of complotism.
Yeah, I agree that we certainly have to be cautious about new vaccines just in case they might be rushed. The reports of the Pfizer vaccine look very promising so far, however. The Bill Gates stuff was half-trolling on my end, but the poster I replied to has a history of general anti-vax and "plandemic" statements.
 

Ocean Drive

Hall of Fame
Things to consider:
Djokovic: adria tour, PTPA, line judge, vaccines, health/nutrition/pseudo science, best of 3 suggestion in slams, applying to re enter players council

Zverev: domestic violence, flouting covid rules, to be absentee father, general arrogant and pathetic attitude
Djokovic

1. Adria Tour - did he force other players and spectators to be involved?
2. PTPA - What's the problem?
3. Line judge - That could happen to anybody.
4. health/nutrition/pseudo science - Probably says the guy sitting munching on something carcinogenic today.
5. Best of 3 - players say things all the time, so what? That is going to mar his great year? You must be a snowflake.
6. Applying to re-enter players council - None of us really know what has been going on.

Zverev

1. Domestic violence - where's your proof? That's just a defamatory remark.
2. Covid - He has a mind of his own, no problem.
3. To be father - He got his girlfriend at the time pregnant. And? Are you going to rip into every single mother, and his other half too?
4. General arrogant and pathetic attitude - Arrogant, that's for sure.

Now...

Do one for Kyrgios.

1. Ripping into players needlessly on social media like Carreno Busta for achieving something.
2. Jealously going at Djokovic via social media repeatedly
3. Milking the whole bushfires thing, despite living a lifestyle that contributes considerably to global warming (dietary habits, vehicle choices)
4. Photographed being a hypocrite regarding covid
5. There's probably a lot more, I don't keep up to date with this stuff, feel free to add to the list.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
3. Milking the whole bushfires thing, despite living a lifestyle that contributes considerably to global warming (dietary habits, vehicle choices)
"You care about climate change, yet you participate in society.....curious!"
Kyrgios could retire from all public life and go live alone in a forest with zero carbon emissions and he wouldn't make virtually any difference. A problem of that scale requires solutions on a mass scale (i.e. renewable tech, nuclear power) not individual lifestyle changes.
 

Ocean Drive

Hall of Fame
"You care about climate change, yet you participate in society.....curious!"
Kyrgios could retire from all public life and go live alone in a forest with zero carbon emissions and he wouldn't make virtually any difference. A problem of that scale requires solutions on a mass scale (i.e. renewable tech, nuclear power) not individual lifestyle changes.
Absolute and utter nonsense. Clearly someone who can't be arsed taking responsibility. The sentence prior to the bolded is the first thing people like you always say. Don't talk about things you are uneducated in. In fact, you seem to respond to at least half of my posts with nonsense.
 

BackhandDTL

Professional
There's promoting healthy food, then there's claiming that your emotions can influence water molecules or whatever pseudoscientific BS he was talking about.
Adria Tour was also a huge judgment error. Same with the line judge. Unfortunate accidents but still his fault.

Let's not pretend Djokovic hasn't done some truly dumbf*ck things this year.
Good man.
 

Arak

Semi-Pro
OAN also had the story, where they accused the woman of being a liar and a Deep State agent.
I’m not sure what is OAN, but I’m guessing from your post that it’s some kind of American right wing tabloid. You have been insinuating in previous posts that I must be one of those because I defended Zverev’s right for the benefit of doubt until proven guilty, which would be funny actually since I’m neither American nor white.
 

Service Ace

Hall of Fame
Djokovic's opinions on the virus and lockdown measures and stuff has given me mad respect for him. Most people are sheep who go along with the herd but there are some celebrities who aren't afraid to speak their own mind. Djokovic is the one with his head screwed on right.

Also nothing has been proven regarding Zverev. I don't think we need to get all catty or gossipy over either of them personally. Their images are fine.
I'm with you. Only us select geniuses understand that the liberal hoax virus is caused by 5g and that water can be turned to wine with positive thinking. Lol at the rest of the sheeple who believe in science and common sense.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
I believe all these harmless things you have mentioned especially with the way over the top reaction have actually enhanced not tarnished Djokovic's legacy/greatness. Just imagine if it was Federer or another lesser player and how different the reaction would be. ;)
If Federer tried to pull off something like the Adria Tour, I'm pretty sure he'd get the same reaction. Not even Federer would be able to protect his image after something that bad.
If some lesser player tried to organize it, it just wouldn't get much coverage.
 

conjoshruk

Semi-Pro
I'd probably say Djokovic, he started the year so well, but quickly went down hill with the Adria tour and hitting the lineswoman. However, he probably has the least fans out of the big 3 and I don't think anything that has happened this year will really stick, since he has always been the 'villain'.
Whereas, the allegations of domestic violence surrounding Zverev (true or not) will have a much bigger, long term impact on how he is perceived by the public, as he is younger and domestic violence is taken very seriously in this day and age.
 

Third Serve

G.O.A.T.
I believe all these harmless things you have mentioned especially with the way over the top reaction have actually enhanced not tarnished Djokovic's legacy/greatness. Just imagine if it was Federer or another lesser player and how different the reaction would be. ;)
How so?
 

Beckerserve

Hall of Fame
Things to consider:
Djokovic: adria tour, PTPA, line judge, vaccines, health/nutrition/pseudo science, best of 3 suggestion in slams, applying to re enter players council

Zverev: domestic violence, flouting covid rules, to be absentee father, general arrogant and pathetic attitude
Djokovic has consistently been an idiot all year and seems to have been broken mentally by Nadal and Federer being ahead in the slam race which has led to him getting desperate for attention.
It is a shame as he is a nice guy but poor parenting has been an issue as both his parents have indulged his narcissistic side and his wife is just bad news. Ivanisevic has been a disaster and Vajda is a poor coach as he seems to wind djokovic up too tight.
Legacy wise 2020 has been a disaster for Djokovic as it is a Big 2 now and forever more probably.
 

tennischef

New User
Djokovic

1. Adria Tour - did he force other players and spectators to be involved?
2. PTPA - What's the problem?
3. Line judge - That could happen to anybody.
4. health/nutrition/pseudo science - Probably says the guy sitting munching on something carcinogenic today.
5. Best of 3 - players say things all the time, so what? That is going to mar his great year? You must be a snowflake.
6. Applying to re-enter players council - None of us really know what has been going on.

Zverev

1. Domestic violence - where's your proof? That's just a defamatory remark.
2. Covid - He has a mind of his own, no problem.
3. To be father - He got his girlfriend at the time pregnant. And? Are you going to rip into every single mother, and his other half too?
4. General arrogant and pathetic attitude - Arrogant, that's for sure.

Now...

Do one for Kyrgios.

1. Ripping into players needlessly on social media like Carreno Busta for achieving something.
2. Jealously going at Djokovic via social media repeatedly
3. Milking the whole bushfires thing, despite living a lifestyle that contributes considerably to global warming (dietary habits, vehicle choices)
4. Photographed being a hypocrite regarding covid
5. There's probably a lot more, I don't keep up to date with this stuff, feel free to add to the list.
^ Triggered lol
 

clout

Hall of Fame
Unless Zverev gets proven guilty, it's Djokovic. He's a much more well known name and this should've been a great year for him. Adria Tour, catching COVID, anti-vax, DQ, and then the jumping between the ATPPA and PTPA all caused people to just see him as a difficult individual...he makes his life a lot more complicated than it should be.

He achieved a lot this year but it's all been overshadowed by other things and even on the court, he underachieved by only winning one slam after the way his year got started off.
 

stingstang

Professional

hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
Things to consider:
Djokovic: adria tour, PTPA, line judge, vaccines, health/nutrition/pseudo science, best of 3 suggestion in slams, applying to re enter players council

Zverev: domestic violence, flouting covid rules, to be absentee father, general arrogant and pathetic attitude
Zverev has not accomplished much, he thus has a small image.
Djokovic is much older, more mature with many more accomplishments, and thus has a very big image--more to lose.
 

MotoboXer

Professional
People need to stop excusing Djokovic simply based on good intentions. If as a result of stupidity or impulsiveness he accidentally inconvenienced other people then it's on him no matter how unintentional it was.

Public opinion doesn't care about your intentions. It cares about the good or bad you generate.
Industry trolls are just doing their job, theres no good intentions there ..
 

thomasferrett

Hall of Fame
Zverev is innocent until proven guilty. It is sickening how easy it is for women to completely defame men with minimal effort.

"Oh, by the way, he r@ped me."

Consider that some women define 'r@pe' as consenting to sex , then feeling regretful the following morning (they'll argue they felt pressured into consenting). Or that some women consider 'abuse' as their spouse not buying them the birthday present they wanted (they'll argue it's emotional abuse).
 
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