Who do you regard as tennis history's 2 most overrated players and why ?
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Donald Young--doesn't understand how to construct points that well. He should improve in this regard but he clearly was overhyped. He has a lot of mental improvement to make.
James Blake--for all the athleticism and all the brilliant forehands, this guy melts down too often in big moments. He lacks that extra ingredient mentally to achieve more. He still doesn't volley nearly as well as he could, especially with ending points sooner in rallies by attacking the net.
James Blake--for all the athleticism and all the brilliant forehands, this guy melts down too often in big moments. He lacks that extra ingredient mentally to achieve more. He still doesn't volley nearly as well as he could, especially with ending points sooner in rallies by attacking the net.
grafrules
Banned
Jennifer Capriati- really most of her two primes, or the 6 years or so that make up her two primes, she was only around the 6th or 7th best player in the world during both, with the possible exception of 2001 when she was probably in reailty about the 4th best (yeah I know she won 2 slams but there is the luck factor I could go into further analysis of). She has a losing record vs any important rival she ever had, including even some who only have 1 or 2 slam titles. During her period of winning 3 slams she was barely .500 vs the whole top 10 and dominated by all her biggest rivals, except Serena who she did pretty well against for a bit. Her slam titles each involved some huge luck, and for someone with 3 slam titles to only be able to win 14 tournaments is really something else.
Andre Agassi- arguably the 3 greatest criterias for greatness are consistency, dominance, and longevity. Agassi obviously gets tremendous points in longevity, but falls so far short of almost all players with 3+ slams in dominance and especialy consistency, let alone those others with 7 or 8. He is obviously still a great player, but how he is rated above Lendl, McEnroe, and Connors by most people I have no idea whatsoever, and Connors is the true greatest return of server in history.
Andre Agassi- arguably the 3 greatest criterias for greatness are consistency, dominance, and longevity. Agassi obviously gets tremendous points in longevity, but falls so far short of almost all players with 3+ slams in dominance and especialy consistency, let alone those others with 7 or 8. He is obviously still a great player, but how he is rated above Lendl, McEnroe, and Connors by most people I have no idea whatsoever, and Connors is the true greatest return of server in history.
Daycrawler
Rookie
Lies. Agassi not overrated at all. He also is the only men's player in history to have won all four Grand Slam singles titles on three different surfaces.
I think Blake is overrated, and Roddick. I love Roddick but he just hasnt performed well enough.
I would call Connors and Agassi even on the return. Both were tremendous returners for the times that they played. I don't think he's overrated though. True, he could have done better if he tried harder, but hey, who wouldn't?
Most overrated of all time?
Marcelos Rios :
For all the supposed talent he had, he sure wasn't that good. If he was oozing with talent he would be able to win matches out of his ass simply due to sheer overwhelming talent, like Federer. However, he didn't.
Thomas Muster :
For a guy with not a tremendous amount of talent, and average results, he sure gets pumped up around here alot. Supposedly the King of the Clay, when he's only won one French Open. Granted, he was pretty good on it for a year, but he was a non-factor most of the other years. An absolute non-factor outside of 1990 and 95 at the FO, and his best results at another slam was two SFs at the Australian Open (when it was slooooooooooooooooow).
Honorable Mention :
Goran Ivanesivic : Outside of one slam, he was essentially a non-factor. He only had one SF at the USO, and his game was based mainly around his serve.
raccoon1414
Semi-Pro
how can u possibly say that agassi is overrated? yeh i admit that agassi was not exactly the most consistent of players in terms of results, but lets remember that he is one of only 5 male players to have won ALL 4 GRAND SLAMS and not to mention won an olympic gold medal. give the guy his due credit.
how can u possibly say that agassi is overrated? yeh i admit that agassi was not exactly the most consistent of players in terms of results, but lets remember that he is one of only 5 male players to have won ALL 4 GRAND SLAMS and not to mention won an olympic gold medal. give the guy his due credit.
He's very cheesy though.
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Deleted member 21996
Guest
Dont let family affairs get in the way of your judgment Peter!
Satch
Hall of Fame
how can u possibly say that agassi is overrated? yeh i admit that agassi was not exactly the most consistent of players in terms of results, but lets remember that he is one of only 5 male players to have won ALL 4 GRAND SLAMS and not to mention won an olympic gold medal. give the guy his due credit.
and 17 MS... Agassi is HC GOAT.
aaron 3000
Rookie
Federer and Nadal
They just make each other look good, but in reality....
They just make each other look good, but in reality....
roddick and federer
roddick - weakest number 1 ever, with all the shots except serve horrible etc
federer - excellent player, top 5 of all times (with sampras, laver, budge)
top 3 talking about the game
but what some people say about him is just crazy
he is god he is this he is that
no one is that good
roddick - weakest number 1 ever, with all the shots except serve horrible etc
federer - excellent player, top 5 of all times (with sampras, laver, budge)
top 3 talking about the game
but what some people say about him is just crazy
he is god he is this he is that
no one is that good
certifiedjatt
Banned
finally! someone on this board i can have a latte with!
i want to vomit when i hear some of the comments made by the commentators.
"that shot is immortal."
"we are privileged to be in a time when we can witness this man play..."
"...religious experience..." really!!???
"no one else can hit that shot."
"he just floats on the court." what???
gj011
Banned
Agreed completley about both players.
Thank you! Finally some people with common sense.
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I mean, even if she "only" won half of the titles and GS's she'd be an all time great as well.You are seriously saying that Graf would have still won every single one of her 107 titles, including ALL of her 11 GS titles she won after stubbing, if Seles was never stubbed? Some people on this forum...
Probably one, if not the most unlikeable s.o.b.'s, to have ever "graced" men's tennis with his presence.
However, he was that talented and had just started realizing that talent in '98. That year he tied Agassi for the most titles won with seven. In the first months of '98, he had won Auckland, finaled at the AO, losing to Petr "Seabisket" Korda, then won Indian Wells and Key Biscayne, b2b, then won his 3rd MS of the year at Rome where he put a bagel set on Kuerten. He followed that with a win at St. Poelten before going further at the RG than he had before, reaching the QF, where he lost in 4 sets to eventual champion Moya. Grass was not his forte. At the US Open he lost to Magnus Larsson in 5 in R3 but then went on to win the Grand Slam Cup beating Flipper and Agassi (also in 5) and then Singapore on hards.
This is where it went downhill, at Lyon he retired during the SF v. Haas with a "stiff back". In his next event, Stuttgart, Rios couldn't show up for his QF due to the same injury. By the Singles Championships (TMC) after losing his first RR to Henman he withdrew from the event.
He was diagnosed with a fractured vertabrae.
His 1999 campaign is described in the ATP bio as follows:
I was one, who did not care for or root for Rios. Talent and potential are bandied about these forums and spoken of, by many, as if that in and of itself translates to greatness. Rios had the talent, had just begun proving it when a series of serious injuries, (when terms like "fractured vertebrae" and "groin surgery" on both legs are involved I would qualify those injuries as serious) interrupted that climb.
While I don't feel compelled to do it, I have to cut Rios as much slack, as most cut the much more likeable Kuerten, especially in any debate involving Rios being "over-rated". I would submit that Rios' talent is exactly what allowed him to remain as competitive as he did in the aftermath of those career limiting injuries.
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Rhino
Legend
bluetrain4
G.O.A.T.
This post makes no sense, but in all fairness, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Donald Young? Seriously? Yeah, he was overhyped for about 18 months at the start of his pro career and, as you can see, all of that has cooled down. I'm just surprised you chose Young considering the other posters are talking about true, established pros who were overrated. I mean, don't you have to get to a certain level before you can become the most or 2nd most overrated player of all time? When a player is "overrated", they take on a place in tennis history that maybe (a lot of this is based on opinion obviously) they don't deserve. Young has no place in tennis history. For the sole reason that he was SO overhyped, I can partially agree with Young BEING overrated, but the one of the MOST overrated ever? - not even close
Blake was NEVER overrated. He may have been overranked (if there is such a thing) when he was #4, but that was a function of the ranking system. The book was out on Blake from the beginning. Everyone commented on his power, but lack of consistency, his inability to switch tactics, his mopey behavior when down, his inability to comeback once he was down, his inability to win a five-setter (which he's still only done once or twice), and his inability to even get to a Slam QF (which he's done twice now). He was seen as a dangerous one dimensional player, which he is. I never heard commentators say earnestly that they expected MORE from him - that he would start winning Slams and making finals. He's never talked about like anything more than he is - a good guy with a good game who reached the Top 10. Blake has hardly been erroneously cannonized as anything he's not.
Even when the press was going wild with Blake's story of getting ill and then facing the death of his father, they still didn't overrate him. Over-exposed, maybe. Never overrated.
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Not saying he wasn't talented, but for some people to say that he was anywhere near the talent of Federer is preposterous. Federer with a sprained ankle nearly beat an ON Nalbandian at the TMC in 2005. That's just ridiculous. Rios couldn't even possibly imagine doing something like that, let alone actually executing it.
2 is a pretty arbitrary number of players, no? I think Laver and Agassi are most overrated, as they actually show up as possible GOAT candidates. Laver had one dominant year in the open era. Agassi was never a dominant #1 and didn't break top level serves very often for someone who is supposed to have the greatest serve return ever.
Michael Bluth
Semi-Pro
Who has over rated Roddick? Maybe in 03 he was overrated, but not anymore by any stretch of the imagination.
Plus the weakest no. 1 ever isn't Roddick, it's Rios
1 Slam, 3 finals>1 slam final, 0 slams
380pistol
Banned
All I'm going to do is talk about the absurd names on this list I've heard. Some players desreve their mentions, but these......
Don Budge - Oh my. Also in contention for GOAT, but now he's overrated. Read about him. Ask historians.
Pancho Gonzales - read about him, enough said. The guy probably has the pre open era GOAT locked down, and may be the GOAT period.
Rod Laver - Only one dominat year in the open era, quite true. Look what he did 1966-69. He went up against all the top pros who also couldn't compete in slams.
Steffi Graf - Only player with 4 slams at each venue, and all on different surfaces. Yes Monica's stabbing aided her slam count but she had 3 Aus Opens, 2 French Opens, 4 Wimbledons and 2 US Opens before Seles was stabbed. And during Seles' dominant 1991-92 (where she won 6of 7 slams she contested), Monica was 1-3 vs Graf, with her only victory being 10-8 in the 3rd on clay. And nobody mentions the injuries, sickeness( German Measles) and personal problems Graf faced while she wasn't at her top form in early '90's.
Andre Agassi - Cuz he wasn't dominant. for a long period of time??? Herad of Pete Sampras?? Remove him and yo can add 3(maybe 4 US Opens) and 1 (maybe 2 Wimbledon's) to Dre's resume, and with the French, you'd be talking GOAT status. Make someone else walk in his shoes alongide Pete.
Roger Federer - Please?? Yes this is era is somewhat thin regarding top flight competition, and the way some people jock him all day is ridiculous, but the guy is still one of the best ever to do it, plain and simple. Put him in a dominant player's shoes the last 40 oryears or so (Sampras, Borg, Laver), and he'd be able to hold his own. Maybe not 3 slams and just 5 losses a year, but he'd hold his own.
.... I just don't understand.
Don Budge - Oh my. Also in contention for GOAT, but now he's overrated. Read about him. Ask historians.
Pancho Gonzales - read about him, enough said. The guy probably has the pre open era GOAT locked down, and may be the GOAT period.
Rod Laver - Only one dominat year in the open era, quite true. Look what he did 1966-69. He went up against all the top pros who also couldn't compete in slams.
Steffi Graf - Only player with 4 slams at each venue, and all on different surfaces. Yes Monica's stabbing aided her slam count but she had 3 Aus Opens, 2 French Opens, 4 Wimbledons and 2 US Opens before Seles was stabbed. And during Seles' dominant 1991-92 (where she won 6of 7 slams she contested), Monica was 1-3 vs Graf, with her only victory being 10-8 in the 3rd on clay. And nobody mentions the injuries, sickeness( German Measles) and personal problems Graf faced while she wasn't at her top form in early '90's.
Andre Agassi - Cuz he wasn't dominant. for a long period of time??? Herad of Pete Sampras?? Remove him and yo can add 3(maybe 4 US Opens) and 1 (maybe 2 Wimbledon's) to Dre's resume, and with the French, you'd be talking GOAT status. Make someone else walk in his shoes alongide Pete.
Roger Federer - Please?? Yes this is era is somewhat thin regarding top flight competition, and the way some people jock him all day is ridiculous, but the guy is still one of the best ever to do it, plain and simple. Put him in a dominant player's shoes the last 40 oryears or so (Sampras, Borg, Laver), and he'd be able to hold his own. Maybe not 3 slams and just 5 losses a year, but he'd hold his own.
.... I just don't understand.
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lambielspins
Banned
1990 U.S Open- definite NO. Remove Sampras and Lendl who owned Agassi totally at that time definitely beats Agassi, especialy since Agassi played a totally crappy final and wouldnt have beaten any top player the way he played that day.
1995 U.S Open- maybe. Courier was on a 6 match winning streak vs Agassi from 1991-1995 though. Who is to say Courier might not have taken Agassi down in the final. He had won in straight sets their only meeting that year too, in a hard court final.
2001/2002 U.S Open- 1 of 2. Hewitt was 3-2 vs Agassi in 2001 and 2002 and outdueled Agassi for the year end #1 both times so giving Agassi both U.S Opens would be generous. I will give him 1 and Hewitt the other.
1993 Wimbledon- definite NO. Remember it was Courier who played the grass court tournament of his life and made the final by beating Edberg in the semis and pushing Sampras hard in 4 sets. Like I said from 1991-1995 Courier completely owned Agassi. It doesnt even matter that it was grass, Courier was the better player at the time, had Agassi's number, and was playing great tennis at that Wimbledon.
1999 Wimbledon- Yes.
So take away Sampras and Agassi has 10 or 11 slams, 1 or 2 more U.S Opens and 1 more Wimbledon. Also take away Sampras and what would his "competition" have now looked like?
Most importantly taking away Sampras would not have removed the wretched inconsistency of his career, that which has hardly ever been seen by any player with 3 slams or more, let alone by those with 7 or 8 slams. He also still would have never been dominant for any extended period of time. The only time he was the best in the game minus Sampras was late 1994, 1995, and 1999.
Every other time there was always someone, usually multiple ones, better then him at the time not named Sampras.
Agassi would not be at GOAT status without Sampras by any stretch. Agassi was indeed, outside those many years he was tanking, always a bridesmaid to one or more players at every point in his career, and only occasionaly was it only Sampras.
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I agree that some people, not only on these boards overrate some of Federer's shots. Of course he isn't god, and if he's a religious experience for you, you got to get yourself checked out. I do believe some people actually overrate Federer in terms of parts of his game (better volleys than Sampras LOL), but come on.. you hear the kind of comments you quoted, some from commentators on tv, about every great player. You hear the exact same things about Nadal every weak and it's just people getting caught up in the heat of the moment.
Imo Federer is one of the maybe 3 persons to be considered for GOAT and there'll always be people saying he's God, and that there's no one that can beat him when he plays his best, but there's always gonna be people saying he's not even top 50 on clay as well, so..
Basically, he's in the consideration for GOAT, maybe even the most logical choice for GOAT in the future, and that's exactly how he's seen on these boards everagewise. The points of view are just a bit more extreme. he's basically as much overrated as he's underrated if you know what i mean.
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Those calling Federer overrated dont know nothing about tennis.Probably the most complete player of this generation.Lets talk overrated now.
1.Martina Hingis.I love Hingis but it seemed to me that her game came at a time where the power wasnt all that great and then the power game came and it was all over.
2Marcelo Rios-Couldnt agree anymore with the poster.All this suppose talent and this guy didnt even get a damn slam!
1.Martina Hingis.I love Hingis but it seemed to me that her game came at a time where the power wasnt all that great and then the power game came and it was all over.
2Marcelo Rios-Couldnt agree anymore with the poster.All this suppose talent and this guy didnt even get a damn slam!
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
hahahaha, hey fastdunn, i know u a Sampras fan, i figured.I still got love for Pete though.I miss the serve and volley game.
380pistol
Banned
The 1990 US Open I can see that. Lendl did own young Agassi. But all Lendl's came 1989 or prior. He beat 16-19 yr old Agassi, though Agassi back then wasn't Agassi mentally he'd later become.
1993 Wimbledon and 1995 US Open - Courer won 5 straight vs Agassi in 1991-92. I can see the 1993 Wimbledon (though Keep in mind Agassi beat Becker and Ivanisevic the year before and pushed Pete to 6-4 in the 5th in 1993 and was better than JC on grass), but Agassi and Courier were different players in the 1995 US Open than they were in 1991-92 when Courier owned him.
2001-02 US Open yeah I see that. If he gets by Safin he would have gotton Hewit in the final. Maybe 2 is pushing it, but not out of the question.
Without Sampras Agassi could possibly go anywhere 10-12+ slams with the French. He's have likely been #1 in 1994 and 1995, and without the loss in 1995 US Opeb F, which by his own admission contributed to one of his declines who knows?? I didn't say Agasi would win them all, but people seem to foreget what he did, and what he was up against. Agassi.. overrated, not from where I stand.
akv89
Hall of Fame
Players from the current era will generally be overrated, especially people who have been successful in recent months (Murray, Tsonga, Simon etc) and players from previous months, years, and eras would be more underrated. It is part of every sport because a lot of fans want to believe that what they are watching is something special, so they tend to make it out to be more than what it is. So essentially, all successful players were overrated at some point in their careers.
Regarding Roddick, I don't think he is overrated. He used to be back a couple years ago but now I see more people claiming that he is a no talent player with only a serve than that he is one of the best players on the tour currently (the latter of which probably has more merit considering he is and has been a top tenner for a while).
Regarding Roddick, I don't think he is overrated. He used to be back a couple years ago but now I see more people claiming that he is a no talent player with only a serve than that he is one of the best players on the tour currently (the latter of which probably has more merit considering he is and has been a top tenner for a while).
I would still say it used to be Federer that was overrated.
People now started to realize it was easier to win multiple slams now since the tour has been homogenized (surfaces and baseline styles).
Not that Federer is not phenominal player. He is a phenominal player. It just that people got a bit overexcited between 2004-2007, experts and general public alike.
P.S. Pete was not serve-and-volleyer. If you miss that game, you gotta miss McEnroe Rafter,Edberg.
anointedone
Banned
The most overrated player of all time is one of fastdunn's favorites: Richard Gasquet! Also highly overrated is Jennifer Capriati.
As for Agassi, Agassi isnt that overrated in a certain sense but then another sense he is. He is overrated compared to guys like Mcenroe, Lendl, Connors, Rosewall, who should all rank over him yet dont with many people.
Connors basically played the same Agassi at his best did, except he did it for 10 straight years in his prime, rather then only 2 or 3 years like Agassi did. Connors was formidable in his older years just as much as Agassi if not more, he was a U.S Open semifinalist at 39 after all. How people think Agassi deserves a higher ranking then Connors is beyond me. As for the career slam Connors probably wins the calender slam in 1974 if he was even allowed to do so anyway.
As for Agassi, Agassi isnt that overrated in a certain sense but then another sense he is. He is overrated compared to guys like Mcenroe, Lendl, Connors, Rosewall, who should all rank over him yet dont with many people.
Connors basically played the same Agassi at his best did, except he did it for 10 straight years in his prime, rather then only 2 or 3 years like Agassi did. Connors was formidable in his older years just as much as Agassi if not more, he was a U.S Open semifinalist at 39 after all. How people think Agassi deserves a higher ranking then Connors is beyond me. As for the career slam Connors probably wins the calender slam in 1974 if he was even allowed to do so anyway.
tacou
G.O.A.T.
How can Roddick be overrated? 99% of this board hates him as a human being and says his game is one dimensional and useless without the serve.
you think that's TOO MUCH CREDIT??
anointedone
Banned
Roddick is not overrated. How can someone who is ridiculed, mocked, labelled a one trick pony, dismissed repeatedly as any sort of contender, be "overrated". He isnt that amazing a player I agree, but he certainly isnt overrated.
Blake is overrated by John McEnroe but that is his job to cater to U.S audiences. Other then the other so called overrated tennis expert like the mind numbing Matt Cronin or Mark Preston, Blake is not overrated. He is basically what most people regard him as, which is someone who does very well to spend a bit of time in the top 10, isnt realistically top 5 calibre ever, and who would take a minor miracle to ever win a slam, but is a player with weapons and the game to have decent success and threaten the top players on a given day.
Blake is overrated by John McEnroe but that is his job to cater to U.S audiences. Other then the other so called overrated tennis expert like the mind numbing Matt Cronin or Mark Preston, Blake is not overrated. He is basically what most people regard him as, which is someone who does very well to spend a bit of time in the top 10, isnt realistically top 5 calibre ever, and who would take a minor miracle to ever win a slam, but is a player with weapons and the game to have decent success and threaten the top players on a given day.
obsessedtennisfandisorder
Professional
The key question here is WHO is rating him.
On this board, despite trolls etc, we all tennis fanatics who understand
players from all over the world talented etc...we follow 12months of the year etc...therefore..roddick will be put in his rightful place(a top-tenner, still the hating goes OTT sometimes).
On ESPN in 2002-2003 Roddick WAS OVERATED BIG TIME. I have stated
multiple posts about the pressure the US Media put on A-rod.
Your joe-average tunes into ESPN in late august now would have no idea who
tsonga,simon or even davydenko is...we do...
grafrules
Banned
Interestingly enough this will be the 3rd straight year Davydenko ends ranked over Roddick, barring a surprise at the Masters Cup (Roddick making the final would be just that, a big surprise, and it would have to happen for any chance of his passing Davydenko).
FitzRoy
Professional
Good post. Roddick is, if anything, underrated. He's definitely more than just a serve, and he does not deserve the level of harsh criticism that is generally aimed at him around these boards.
Blake also is not overrated: he's developed into a solid top-10 player whose ranking and results consistently confirm one another, and no one generally heaps any undue praise on him. If he receives a lot of positive attention it's because he's a good player who's very likable.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Well Agassi got the career grand slam, something that Connors, Lendl, etc could not do. You have to respect him for that.
boredone3456
G.O.A.T.
Capriati- I actually am a huge fan of hers...but honestly...she got lucky in two of her three slam finals, rallying against an erratic Hingis who choked on several on her match points in won and managing to grind out first time finalist clijsters, who got nervous and shaky, at the french after she lost the first set 6-1. She had the talent to get farther in her career than she did. It would have been interesting to see how she wouldhave faired in the 90's if she hadn;t dropped off the earth into drugs and shoplifting...but as she stands now she is truly overrated.
Safin- Like Capriati...had the raw Talent to do amazing things but he got distracting by partying and women. Honestly he could have won a few more majors and stayed on top a lot longer, but as it stands now I find him really overrated.
Safin- Like Capriati...had the raw Talent to do amazing things but he got distracting by partying and women. Honestly he could have won a few more majors and stayed on top a lot longer, but as it stands now I find him really overrated.
grafrules
Banned
Well Capriati was 1-10 against Steffi Graf so that wouldnt have been in her favor. She also has losing head to heads with Sanchez, Sabatini, Navratilova, Seles, Novotna. The good news for her though, if she had stayed on course, was that with Seles out via the stabbing, Navratilova about to retire, Sabatini going into decline this would have opened up some more space for her at the top then she had before. She could have probably risen to #3 in the world if someone like Conchita Martinez made it there, and given how young she was she could have improved further to be an even bigger force.
By the time she made her second comeback it was truly too late for her, but she did end up making a heroic comeback and defying that, but got alot of luck too. In 2000-2004 she was still owed by Venus, Davenport, Mauresmo, Clijsters, Henin, Serena, Seles, everyone but Hingis basically overall. She only won 4 tournament in 2001-2002 I believe, yet somehow 3 of those 4 were slams even though many of the top players she couldnt beat and some she had a hard time beating. So yeah there was some luck in her late career success after all those lost years that salvaged her career somewhat.
Absolutely wrong!
As I said in a different post a while ago:
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From WTA web site:
Hingis was even in match wins versus the Williams sisters over her career.
Hingis vs. V. Williams 11-10
Hingis vs. S. Williams 6-7
On slower courts (clay and rebound ace at the Aussie) Hingis led Venus 4-3 and Serena 2-0.
People remember a couple of really bad losses for Martina, but in general, it was an even bet on who would win.
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I don't put Hingis as one of the all-time greats, but she was not dominated by the power players as some would suggest. The facts are the facts, impressions are not facts.
grafrules
Banned
Head to heads can be deceiving. Hingis racked up alot of her wins over Venus in 97 to 99 when she was immature and not the same player and Serena during those same years. From 2000 onwards she rarely beat either of them. If she hadnt quiet after 2002, a year she barely played as well, her head to head with them would be alot worse.
It is like how Venus's head to head with Henin is a joke considering all their matches except 1 were before Henin won her first slam at the 2003 French Open and when Venus was at her peak.
It is like how Venus's head to head with Henin is a joke considering all their matches except 1 were before Henin won her first slam at the 2003 French Open and when Venus was at her peak.
I would say Tommy Haas deserves a mention in the overrated category.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7YUuXSgAqo&feature=related
Although he was ultra talented, and I really wish he showed up more like he did in that match against Federer in 06, he's vastly overrated by some people here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7YUuXSgAqo&feature=related
Although he was ultra talented, and I really wish he showed up more like he did in that match against Federer in 06, he's vastly overrated by some people here.
edmondsm
Legend
I'll tell you how, it's called the career slam.
Overrated:
Marat Safin: This guy gets/got twice the attention that players with twice his achievments get.
Marcelo Rios: The rankings system was readjusted when he got to #1. What else do you need?
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grafrules
Banned
So the career slam trumps all else? I could list many reasons McEnroe, Connors, and Lendl IMO should outrank Agassi and the only trump card in his favor is probably the career slam.
In 2000-2001 Hingis was 3-1 vs. Serena and 1-3 vs. Venus (two of the losses were 6-4 in the 3rd set and 7-5 in the third set, one 1 and 1 blowout). Again a 50/50 record.
Facts are still facts.
By 2002, Hingis was injured and was pretty much falling out of the top of the game. In any case, it was a case of the Williams becoming better players and Hingis dropping, not because of some huge increase in the Williams sisters' power at some point.
How you think Safin is overrated is beyond me. There has been no one who has ever dominated Sampras in a slam final like Safin did. No one. Ever.
On any given day, Safin can beat ANY player. Period. He's just THAT good. An out of prime Safin on his WORST surface CLOBBERED Djokovic this year at Wimbledon. Think how bad it would have been if Safin was in his prime.
grafrules
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I dont think Safin is at all overrated as far as how good the guy was in his prime. In his prime he was amazing on alot of days. I think it could be interpreted that he has been overrated the last couple years though. He is a mere shadow of the player he once was, alot of that factors like aging and injuries which will weaken anyone, and some people still talk about him as this great player he was in his glory days.
Harry_Wild
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One is Brad Gilberts!
obsessedtennisfandisorder
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I think Roddick is a contender for this title...he's still talked about a lot but
in reality the guy had weaknesses and not huge talent. People say he's a lock to win without Fed, but those wimby's i can't see him beating scud and hewitt had serious ownage of him until he got injured.
henman was overated too(seen as slam contender). his ground game was not that great...achieved nothing outside Wimby until very weak year 2004.
Just check out the thumping mario gives him in 2004(i watched live). Ferreira
also would have beaten him in 2001 if it hadn't been for the crowd.
As for the Women, Graf takes this title easily, it's easy to clean up with no competition...
in reality the guy had weaknesses and not huge talent. People say he's a lock to win without Fed, but those wimby's i can't see him beating scud and hewitt had serious ownage of him until he got injured.
henman was overated too(seen as slam contender). his ground game was not that great...achieved nothing outside Wimby until very weak year 2004.
Just check out the thumping mario gives him in 2004(i watched live). Ferreira
also would have beaten him in 2001 if it hadn't been for the crowd.
As for the Women, Graf takes this title easily, it's easy to clean up with no competition...
That was very smart. You are the man my friend.
Its very easy talk about numbers , but some people just check numbers and not the game and special situation for each player.
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