Any of that compare to 40-15erer tho? Seems like one for the booksThey are both below average. But Messi is much worse. He always failed at the ko stage of the world cup. Zero goals in 2010, 2014, 2018 in ko games. So he failed 100%.
Kind of agree. I think Federer is a bit above average mentally, but certainly not a mental titan.They are both below average. But Messi is much worse. He always failed at the ko stage of the world cup. Zero goals in 2010, 2014, 2018 in ko games. So he failed 100%.
Well i said they are both below average, but Messi not only choked, he just played like **** in all those ko-games. Federer not always choked and usually played well in the final, until he chokedAny of that compare to 40-15erer tho? Seems like one for the books
I see what you did there.I have not seen Federer play football at the highest level, nor have I seen Messi play tennis at the highest level
How the **** would I know?
Ol' Rog is by no means a mental midget. Now compared to the rest of the Big 3 he is mentally the shortest. RAFA and Joker are over 6' ft tall and Ol' Rog is that dude who's 5'9, but says he's 5'10.
It's called football or fútbol.lol soccer
Still the greatest ever thoughNone of them, honesty. Lionel Messi is what Argentinians call a "pecho frío", that is, a person who underperforms under circumstances of high pression. This "pecho frío" actitud of Messi directly contradicts the strong character and effectiveness of the legendary Pele with the Brazilian team, the magician Maradona with a poor Argentinian team or the complete Cristiano both at club level and national team level.
No wonder why all football experts call him Lionel Missing. Lionel Missing choked/dissapeared in the 2010 World Cup (0 goals), 2014 World Cup (scored 0 goals in the fourth round, quarterfinals, semifinals and finals), the 2016 Copa America (he missed a decissive penalti) and in the Champions League 2011 (0 goals against Inter), Champions League 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019 (0 goals in the fourth round, quarterfinals and semifinals in those editions).
lol don't care what other countries call itIt's called football or fútbol.
Makes sense you have a Russian as your avatar lollol don't care what other countries call it
I know who O.J. is.And here I thought TTW posters knew little about tennis. Turns out they know even less about football!...
The Federer of football.First tell me who or what Messi is ?
Why should you? And just sharing its real name, soccer is just a silly nickname.lol don't care what other countries call it
Absolutely zero clue. Calling it soccer on top of it. Anyways, Messi IS mentally weak compared to his peers (ATG and GOAT candidates).And here I thought TTW posters knew little about tennis. Turns out they know even less about football! Messi mentally weak?? Lol
There's an argument to be made there.And here I thought TTW posters knew little about tennis. Turns out they know even less about football! Messi mentally weak?? Lol
I dont think its completely fair to lay the responsibility on one person in a team sport but I do generally agree that Messi could have done moreThere's an argument to be made there.
Messi routinely misses his chances at big stages, his success relays on his teammates at Barcelona more than in his leadership and that has become obvious when he's playing with Argentina, there he's the one that has to carry his team and every single time he's let them down.
He's a giant talent wise but mentally not so much.
That CL debacle gives me nightmares :-(honestly I wish Messi could be more like Ronaldo, mentally
I dont know how he compares to Fed but I do think hes lacking compared to CR7
the world cup 2014/2018 and that CL debacle earlier in the year are so fresh in my mind
That CL debacle gives me nightmares :-(
Last night it wasn't great either.
Of course, the team has to do something and it's not only Messi's fault but, the ATGs have to have that mental edge, they have to be leaders; Maradona literally and figuratively singlehandedly carried argenti a in Mexico 86, Portugal doesn't have great players and Ronaldo carries them through, meanwhile Argentina today has a superior team, not great but better than average and obviously the weight of everything will fall on the weak shoulders if Messi whom needs to have a team formed around him, he needs to be pampered and lacks the mental strength to face the hard challenges.I dont think its completely fair to lay the responsibility on one person in a team sport but I do generally agree that Messi could have done more
of course the Argentine team have their faults to bear as well, lets not make this all about Messi
I share your opinion:Not surprised it has come down to this. We have criticized the finest tennis players over the years for this or that reason, so it's time to move to another sport for a moment.
Messi has been surrounded mostly by garbage all around for the last 2-3 seasons now, and has stood out as the best performer when teammates were top quality too. But I guess it's much more interesting to scapegoat the best there is rather than call a spade a spade.
I agree, Messi is the best there is and arguably the BOAT but he lacks in the leadership department, he is not as vocal as Ronaldo and doesn't have to be if he leads by example but that doesn't happen either, he's the best when the match is in his favor but tends to dissappear when the going gets tough, then is when his team mates have to look at the best and find the way and then is when Lio tends to disappear and just look at the ground.I share your opinion:
1. Tennis is an individual sport, its common sense that being 1 on 1 and only counting on yourself, not being able to be substituted, the constant fight with momentum and your own toughts makes you as toughter as you can be. And we are speaking about the most successful of all tennis players.
2. About Messi: people lack confidence and like to critisize the greats, it makes them feel important. Also they have this stupid understanding of being a "leader" that you have to be extremely vocal and arrogant ... a.k.a Ronaldo. People ask from Messi to be entirely different person so that he could fit their narative. He leads by example, by giving his best and not complaining about his teammates or trying to make everything about him(like someone else). Every ten games - Messi has one bad match and people concentrate on that instead of the 9 others. For example:
Messi was phenomenal in the first game against Liverpool(3-0) but had kind of mediocre one in the second(not bad, he created plenty of chances) and people bring it up as failure. Upper comments someone mentioned that Messi didnt scored in the eliminations rounds in the World Cup ... so is Ronaldo - he hasnt scored outside the group stage. But Messi has so many ways to be positive for his team - he is the best playmaker in the world, at the WC 2014 he was number 1 for dribbles per game - it was number around 6-8, the second best had around 2.8 and all this being triple teamed every match. The last world cup, he didnt score against France but he assisted for two goals. Recently he had a match with Barca - two goals, two assissts. The difference between Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo is a world class player. Another similar leader as Messi - Steph Curry
1. Maradona had a famous God goal that helped them to beat England in 86. If Messi had such against Germany he would have won it. By using your criteria you want to make the claim that the entire legacy of Messi was in the hands of Palacio and Higuain, one few missed chances?Of course, the team has to do something and it's not only Messi's fault but, the ATGs have to have that mental edge, they have to be leaders; Maradona literally and figuratively singlehandedly carried argenti a in Mexico 86, Portugal doesn't have great players and Ronaldo carries them through, meanwhile Argentina today has a superior team, not great but better than average and obviously the weight of everything will fall on the weak shoulders if Messi whom needs to have a team formed around him, he needs to be pampered and lacks the mental strength to face the hard challenges.
What you are asking for its impossible. Every single star has bad nights. You consider Messi mentally weak, giv me names that are more proven than him, at the biggest stages? Messi has most goals, most assists and most dribbles in La Liga in the past two years - how is that dissapearing? He has the most goals at El Classico, just rewatch the SF against Real Madrid in 2011(0-2) where with ten men he took the ball from centre and passed 5-6 guys and scored a goal. Is that not a leader at the biggest stage?I agree, Messi is the best there is and arguably the BOAT but he lacks in the leadership department, he is not as vocal as Ronaldo and doesn't have to be if he leads by example but that doesn't happen either, he's the best when the match is in his favor but tends to dissappear when the going gets tough, then is when his team mates have to look at the best and find the way and then is when Lio tends to disappear and just look at the ground.
1. Maradona had a famous God goal that helped them to beat England in 86. If Messi had such against Germany he would have won it. By using your criteria you want to make the claim that the entire legacy of Messi was in the hands of Palacio and Higuain, one few missed chances?
2. Portugal does have great players. In 2004 they hosted an Euro and had Figo, Ronaldo, Deco, Rui Costa and the entire Porto, Chealsea sides that won the Champions League in the same year. They lost to Greece .. twise. Now they still have players like Silva who was top 3 in voting for player of the Year in England. Also Ronaldo has ZERO goals in elimination games at World Cups - how is he a leader and Messi not? What team Messi has around him - they have like 5 stars in Messi, Dibala, Higuain, Aguero, Martinez, Ikardi all of whom play at the same positions!! I dont know if you play Fifa but there are ratings for each player and in Argentina, behind the attacking line there isnt a single player with more than 82-83 some of which are in the 70's. For comparison - regular stars are 85+, superstars are 88+
3. Messi has been the best player for Barcelona during their biggest highs and lowest low s... like now, with disfunctional team, coach and board and they still win titles and reach SF's in CL. If they didnt lose against Liverpool, they win the CL ... with a pretty "normal" team compared to the ones in 2011 or 2015
I don't know how people get so worked up about this, I'm not denying what makes Messi great, I'm not denying he's the best, I'm just saying that he's not the best leader, forget any comparison with CR7 or any other rival, you want to see leadership, take a look a waht used to do Puyol, he was a leader, he didn't dribble 6 guys and scored, he wasn't score leader, he wasn't the playmaker, he was the leader, he was the one that brought the team together, he was the one that inspired everyone, he always kept them fighting and it wasn't only with Barcelona, it was the same with Spain, he was a leader and despite all the good qualities Messi has, leadership isn't one of them.What you are asking for its impossible. Every single star has bad nights. You consider Messi mentally weak, giv me names that are more proven than him, at the biggest stages? Messi has most goals, most assists and most dribbles in La Liga in the past two years - how is that dissapearing? He has the most goals at El Classico, just rewatch the SF against Real Madrid in 2011(0-2) where with ten men he took the ball from centre and passed 5-6 guys and scored a goal. Is that not a leader at the biggest stage?
Lol isn't Zac like 5 ft 7![]()
I voted Fed because I've never seen Messi win a tennis match from 2 sets to 0 down
"5'7", 4'7", what's the difference?" - TinderLol isn't Zac like 5 ft 7