Who do you think is the most underrated ATG?

[UnforcedTerror]

I'd say it's either Murray or Pancho Gonzalez.

Remember when tennis channel rated Gonzalez #35 in 2012? I'm still not sure why they did him dirty. He's probably overrated by some people and posters here but he should be at least considered greater than Newcombe, Emerson, Ashe and Edberg.

Emerson too could be underrated by me and most of the fans but I have no idea how good he was. Tennis channel rated him above Rosewall and Lendl so he must have been very very good.

1 – Roger Federer, M, SUI
2 – Rod Laver, M, AUS
5 – Pete Sampras, M, USA
6 – Rafael Nadal, M, ESP
7 – Bjorn Borg, M, SWE
11 – Don Budge, M, USA
12 – Andre Agassi, M, USA
13 – John McEnroe, M, USA
15 – Jimmy Connors, M, USA
16 – Bill Tilden, M, USA
17 – Roy Emerson, M, AUS
18 – Ivan Lendl, M, CZE
20 – Ken Rosewall, M, AUS
21 – Boris Becker, M, GER
23 – Fred Perry, M, GBR
25 – Stefan Edberg, M, SWE
28 – Arthur Ashe, M, USA
31 – John Newcombe, M, AUS
32 – Lew Hoad, M, AUS
33 – Mats Wilander, M, SWE
34 – Jack Kramer, M, USA
35 – Pancho Gonzalez, M, USA

 

[dapchai]

Murray is by no means an underrated All Time Glaswegian.

 

[Beerus]

Pancho is extremely underrated by @Lleytonstation.

 

[Third Serve]

Mats Wilander

 

[Beerus]

Murray is not an ATG.

 

[Username_]

tomic

 

[Sport]

Mats Wilander. Constantly disrespected on these boards.

 

[ChaelAZ]

Suzanne Lenglen

Singles

Career record	332–7 (97.9%)
Career titles	83
Highest ranking	No. 1 (1921)

Dubs

Career record	254–6 (97.7%)
Career titles	74

 

[l0s3]

Ivan Lendl

 

[NatF]

Pancho, Rosewall, Tilden and Kramer.

 

[BorgTheGOAT]

I'd say it's either Murray or Pancho Gonzalez.

Remember when tennis channel rated Gonzalez #35 in 2012? I'm still not sure why they did him dirty. He's probably overrated by some people and posters here but he should be at least considered greater than Newcombe, Emerson, Ashe and Edberg.

Emerson too could be underrated by me and most of the fans but I have no idea how good he was. Tennis channel rated him above Rosewall and Lendl so he must have been very very good.

1 – Roger Federer, M, SUI
2 – Rod Laver, M, AUS
5 – Pete Sampras, M, USA
6 – Rafael Nadal, M, ESP
7 – Bjorn Borg, M, SWE
11 – Don Budge, M, USA
12 – Andre Agassi, M, USA
13 – John McEnroe, M, USA
15 – Jimmy Connors, M, USA
16 – Bill Tilden, M, USA
17 – Roy Emerson, M, AUS
18 – Ivan Lendl, M, CZE
20 – Ken Rosewall, M, AUS
21 – Boris Becker, M, GER
23 – Fred Perry, M, GBR
25 – Stefan Edberg, M, SWE
28 – Arthur Ashe, M, USA
31 – John Newcombe, M, AUS
32 – Lew Hoad, M, AUS
33 – Mats Wilander, M, SWE
34 – Jack Kramer, M, USA
35 – Pancho Gonzalez, M, USA

Whoever made this list is completely clueless. Who is ranked #3 and #4? Did they mix male and female players and you left out the female ranks? (or what does the M stand for?). Where is Djokovic on that list?

Anyways, to the question: The most underrated ATG is Wilander. You can also make a case for Kramer given that he is next to never discussed even though he was undefeated in these old pro tour match series destroying Gonzalez by 96-27.

 

[AgassiSuperSlam11]

 

[Forgive Me Father]

Roy Emerson is by far the most overrated one.

He is no better than Andy Murray.

 

[Forgive Me Father]

It's gotta be Lew Hoad.

 

[Forgive Me Father]

Pancho, Rosewall, Tilden and Kramer.

Everyone would be able to quickly find out their slam totals though and then rate them.

They're just undermentioned.

But people seriously delving into historical lists, would more than likely inclue them.

Hoad on the other hand...

many don't know.

 

[Third Serve]

Pancho, Rosewall, Tilden and Kramer.

I think some of those guys are more overlooked than underrated. They don’t get talked about much but when they are, people have lots of good things to say about them (well, as far as the tennis itself is concerned… glares at Tilden).

 

[Lleytonstation]

Pancho is extremely underrated by @Lleytonstation.

The dude didn't play tennis. Stay in your lane new user.

 

[I Am Finnish]

Fedr

 

[MichaelNadal]

Ivan Lendl

Love the avi

 

[Ledigs]

Connors

 

[gadge]

Agree with the mentions of Wilander. He is the only player to have won 2 or more slams on each surface that included some fescue grass along with ryegrass (may have included some creeping bent grass as well) unlike the modern 100% Perennial Ryegrass in Wimbledon. Of course, now both Nadal and Djokovic have replicated the feat in slower grass. The 1988 US open Final finally gave Wilander the #1 ranking after winning his 3rd slam of the year. I'm still a fan of him especially after he explained why he replayed the match-point in the 1982 French Open SF.

Justine Henin is also a bit underrated compared to the women of her era. She definitely should be rated higher than Davenport, Hingis, and Sharapova. Henin was 6-8 h2h against Serena but was 4-3 in slams. In addition, her slam wins against Serena included both the US Open and Wimbledon not just the clay of the French Open.

Justine is definitely rated above davenport and sharapova. Davenport is a major presence in the media with her interviews and stuff hence we hear more about her. As for hingis she just had a longer career with success in doubles so kinda made a name for herself but yeah henin is definitely the second best of the 21st century behind Serena.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Edberg, Wilander and Connors.

 

[Beerus]

The dude didn't play tennis. Stay in your lane new user.

 

[junior74]

Lendl

 

[weakera]

 

[President]

Probably Lendl. He may have played in the toughest era in history, and many/most of his stats are above players like Sampras, who many people put comfortably above him. Dude was a beast.

 

[TheNachoMan]

Djokovic. Judging by TTW

 

[Aabye5]

Lendl

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Everyone other than Djokodal, ROFLMAO. Pre-Open Era greats in particular, of course.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Borg probably. Maybe Lendl.

 

[Shaolin]

Murray is an ATG Lite like Courier.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Murray is not an ATG.

@Mainad, shall we proceed, sir?

 

[Deleted member 762343]

Big Berr.

 

[Beerus]

@Mainad, shall we proceed, sir?

I don't know who that poster is.

 

[Silverbullet96]

Nadal

 

[Mainad]

I don't know who that poster is.

Ditto.

 

[Mainad]

@Mainad, shall we proceed, sir?

Nah, we who are really in the know already know the answer to that.

 

[King_olaf_the_hairy]

Since he hasn't been mentioned yet... John Newcombe.

7 singles slams, 26 altogether (second only to Emerson). But unlike Emerson he (a) continued to win after the slams were opened up to the pros, and (b) he lost a couple of decent opportunities to add to his tally because of tennis politics. He had three years as either the lone or co-number one, five Davis Cups, and 100+ career titles.

I'm someone who think singles AND doubles is more impressive than just singles by themselves, so I consider Newcombe to be the equal of Agassi, and ahead of Wilander et al.

Aside from the raw numbers, his facial hair game in the 1970s is frankly unmatched...

...and he can boast of being George W Bush's drinking buddy the night the future president was pulled over for drink-driving.

"I noticed that George [jnr] was sort of eyeing me off," Newcombe recalled of their night out. "I put on a bit of pace and he'd keep pace with me. A little silent game was going on," he said.

"After about four of these, I picked the glass up in my teeth without my hands and skulled it straight down and I said, 'What are you made of, George?' And so he had to do that."

Newcombe said he then drank another beer from the wrong side of the glass as the pair went drink-for-drink. "I looked at him and go, 'Have you got any guts, George, or what's your story?' So he did that."

When the pair staggered back to the car, Newcombe said his wife told Mr Bush that she would drive but he told her, "No, I'm all right."


You just don't hear stories like that with the Big 3 now, do you?

 

[Aabye5]

Since he hasn't been mentioned yet... John Newcombe.

7 singles slams, 26 altogether (second only to Emerson). But unlike Emerson he (a) continued to win after the slams were opened up to the pros, and (b) he lost a couple of decent opportunities to add to his tally because of tennis politics. He had three years as either the lone or co-number one, five Davis Cups, and 100+ career titles.

I'm someone who think singles AND doubles is more impressive than just singles by themselves, so I consider Newcombe to be the equal of Agassi, and ahead of Wilander et al.

Aside from the raw numbers, his facial hair game in the 1970s is frankly unmatched...

...and he can boast of being George W Bush's drinking buddy the night the future president was pulled over for drink-driving.

"I noticed that George [jnr] was sort of eyeing me off," Newcombe recalled of their night out. "I put on a bit of pace and he'd keep pace with me. A little silent game was going on," he said.

"After about four of these, I picked the glass up in my teeth without my hands and skulled it straight down and I said, 'What are you made of, George?' And so he had to do that."

Newcombe said he then drank another beer from the wrong side of the glass as the pair went drink-for-drink. "I looked at him and go, 'Have you got any guts, George, or what's your story?' So he did that."

When the pair staggered back to the car, Newcombe said his wife told Mr Bush that she would drive but he told her, "No, I'm all right."


You just don't hear stories like that with the Big 3 now, do you?

Sure, the Big 3 do that all the time, except with chocolate milk

 

[BeatlesFan]

Probably Lendl. He may have played in the toughest era in history, and many/most of his stats are above players like Sampras, who many people put comfortably above him. Dude was a beast.

However, Pete was 14-4 in slam finals, Ivan was 8-11. He choked away at least 7 major finals and I say that as one of his biggest fans. Lendl was never a mental beast.

 

[mike danny]

However, Pete was 14-4 in slam finals, Ivan was 8-11. He choked away at least 7 major finals and I say that as one of his biggest fans. Lendl was never a mental beast.

Sure, but his era was tougher than Pete's, no doubt. Probably even tougher than the Big 3's overall.

 

[PMChambers]

Sure, but his era was tougher than Pete's, no doubt. Probably even tougher than the Big 3's overall.

There's definitely doubt in both of those statements.

 

[Dane_is_Finnish_OJ]

Lendl and Wilander. Most overrated is probably Andre Agassi.

 

[I get cramps]

Lendl.

 

[I get cramps]

Probably Lendl. He may have played in the toughest era in history, and many/most of his stats are above players like Sampras, who many people put comfortably above him. Dude was a beast.

Except for his 1985 Indianapolis match against Becker, none of Lendl's 48 matches against Becker and Edberg were played on clay. Lendl played on the grass against Becker and Edberg 7 times (6 of them in Grand Slam).

Indoor matches between Lendl and Becker (mostly on carpet, once on hard court) favored Lendl, with a 7-5 record. Edberg leads their head-to-head record on outdoor hard courts, 7-6 against Lendl.

Boris Becker VS Ivan Lendl | Head 2 Head | H2H | ATP Tour | Tennis

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Stefan Edberg VS Ivan Lendl | Head 2 Head | H2H | ATP Tour | Tennis

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[Dane_is_Finnish_OJ]

None of the 48 matches Lendl played against Becker and Edberg were played on terre battue or har tru. Lendl played on grass against Becker and Edberg 7 times (6 of them in Grand Slams).

Lendl's record against Becker playing indoors (they always played on carpet except for one occasion when they played on hard court) is in favor of the former by 7-5. Lendl's record playing on outdoor hard against Edberg is 6-7 in favor of the latter.

Boris Becker VS Ivan Lendl | Head 2 Head | H2H | ATP Tour | Tennis

Head to head records for players in men's professional tennis. View rivalry results and stats for matches on the ATP Tour.

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Stefan Edberg VS Ivan Lendl | Head 2 Head | H2H | ATP Tour | Tennis

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Lendl would have destroyed them on clay. And I'm an Edberg fan. I would really have enjoyed seeing Lendl knock down Becker again and again on the dirt.

 

[NeutralFan]

Spencer Gore.

 

[TimHenmanATG]

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

I think some of those guys are more overlooked than underrated. They don’t get talked about much but when they are, people have lots of good things to say about them (well, as far as the tennis itself is concerned… glares at Tilden).

Yeah, underrated and understated sort of get lumped together as terms. I suppose you can think of underrated as meaning not rated enough? I dunno, I guess we should really mean rated too lowly as you imply; though it amuses me when this is applied to art/entertainment, where how people rate it in the first place is clearly the best measure of its quality, whatever turds that might glorify.

 

[killerboss]

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