Who do you think is/was more talented than Federer?

jackson vile said:
Frank had some cool poses but I never thought much of him. Looks small IMO. You ever see Bob Paris?

Shawn was the most symmetrical/proportional BB ever IMO, but did not have the line of a Flex Wheeler or Bob Paris.

I do agree though, the guys are just too big now. It is crazy!
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Any guy that needs a bra is scary
 
Sampras. Remember this guy switched from a 2HBH to 1HBH at age fourteen. That is extraordinarily late for such a major switch in an aspiring pro's career. Even juniors with no pro ambitions can lose their competitive prospects by doing something like that. And Pete became a GOAT candidate.
 
threehandedbackhand said:
Both Nadal and Djokovic.
They are more talented than Federer with no doubt.
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They’re all pretty close. Only God would know who is more talented at this point. One things for sure. I had equal talent but did not have the training. But I’m getting back it now. Unfortunately I might have trouble getting a slam cuz there’s actual talent like Alcaraz and Sinner popping up now.
 
I dont think federer is the most talented, he also put a lot of hard work to achieve playing "like its easy", as talent is difficult to mesure with exactitude, i dont think we can say one player is the most talented, if anything, we could make tiers, then for sure federer would be in thehighest tier, but so would be a good handful of players
 
What if Federer were ten years older and he had a serve and volley career? He had to limit the range of his talents somewhat in order to succeed.
 
Although there's a bunch of trolls above trolling or in extreme denial, there's honestly no one more talented than Fed.

Case Closed:

 
Pure/Raw talent: McEnroe, Borg, Nadal, Pete, Djokovic and maybe Safin.

Fed had a prettier more soothing game on the eyes than all of them. More aesthetically pleasing, but I don't think he had the weapons and overrall talent they had though. It was Fed's "artistry" so to speak that made him so popular. Fed's ability was making the game look so easy to play. But he didn't have the greatest BH ever, never had the GOAT FH though it certainly is top 2-3, but Nadal's was better (And the main reason Nadal is still winning at 36 despite his body failing), never had the GOAT serve like Pete etc, didn't have the all court abilities of Mac or Pete, didn't have anywhere near the defense/returning ability of Djokovic etc. .
 
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Bartelby said:
What if Federer were ten years older and he had a serve and volley career? He had to limit the range of his talents somewhat in order to succeed.
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Alot less titles as he would have had to play a much more go for broke, high risk play. Wouldn't it be able to just wow the opponent off the court from the baseline with lower risk play
 
It's so hard to separate athleticism, talent and skill.
As I think of it, three names most come to mind - in whatever order:. Nadal, Federer and McEnroe.
Why?
Mac was not comparatively a great athlete (not big, strong or fast) but had the touch of a genius.
Fed, well, makes it look so easy, has every shot (and don't underestimate his pure athleticism).
Rafa (gun to my head) might be the most talented. Of course, he's a phenomenal athlete, but without a great serve, and despite injuries, look at what he's achieved. His racquet skills are as great as anyone, as is his court sense, etc.

Others (usual candidates, I guess: Novak, Borg, Sampras, Laver, Nastase...not sure how high to put guys like Satin, Rios, Agassi (amazing ballstriker).
 
RaulRamirez said:
Rafa (gun to my head) might be the most talented. Of course, he's a phenomenal athlete, but without a great serve, and despite injuries, look at what he's achieved. His racquet skills are as great as anyone, as is his court sense, etc.
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If he were the most talented, he'd have a great serve

He's the hardest worker and the mentally toughest player the game has ever seen, and obviously day in and day out, hard work beats talent
 
initialize said:
Although there's a bunch of trolls above trolling or in extreme denial, there's honestly no one more talented than Fed.

Case Closed:

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All subjective of course, but Fed’s superior talent is almost ubiquitously regarded by every commentator or tennis analyst I’ve ever heard.

Of course not on TTW of course.

…Where the real experts are,
 
Rosstour said:
If he were the most talented, he'd have a great serve

He's the hardest worker and the mentally toughest player the game has ever seen, and obviously day in and day out, hard work beats talent
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I don't necessarily agree with either aspect of that, but some of this is semantics in how we parse athleticism, talent and skill.

To generalize, Fed's great athleticism (and hard work) sometimes gets lost due to the effortless nature of his game, and Rafa's talent (his racquet skills are phenomenal) sometimes gets lost due to his speed, strength and work ethic.

Serving is a skill, and I suppose a talent, too. But think of all the talent it takes to be a "goat" without a great serve.
Anyway, no one answer is correct here.

No, I'm not overlooking Novak, whose skill set is remarkable, and who obviously is quite talented as well.
For me, though, as I perceive talent, it starts with Rafa, Roger and Mac.
 
Federev said:
All subjective of course, but Fed’s superior talent is almost ubiquitously regarded by every commentator or tennis analyst I’ve ever heard.

Of course not on TTW of course.

…Where the real experts are,
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I would say Federer's the most skilled tennis player ever, but talent is something pretty hard to measure as it tends to be multifaceted. For example the following explains this quite well.
RaulRamirez said:
I don't necessarily agree with either aspect of that, but some of this is semantics in how we parse athleticism, talent and skill.

To generalize, Fed's great athleticism (and hard work) sometimes gets lost due to the effortless nature of his game, and Rafa's talent (his racquet skills are phenomenal) sometimes gets lost due to his speed, strength and work ethic.

Serving is a skill, and I suppose a talent, too. But think of all the talent it takes to be a "goat" without a great serve.
Anyway, no one answer is correct here.

No, I'm not overlooking Novak, whose skill set is remarkable, and who obviously is quite talented as well.
For me, though, as I perceive talent, it starts with Rafa, Roger and Mac.
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Agreed. I think we can add Borg to the list as well.
 
Federev said:
You’re such a great Feddy fan.

Even going back to dig up threads from 2011 to “Herald” your Feddy Fan message.
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I have to warn you again, this is the type of post that could eventually get you banned. I do not want this for you, so please, let this post of mine be a Herald of the end of such posts from you.
 
To me shotmaking skills are a very small part of talent which people always over-emphasize. But of course this doesn't detract from Fed's overall talent - he's the greatest in my view.
 
Kyrgios, Gulbis, Rios, Safin get a mention.

All have runs in the top 10 and victories over some of the GOATs, yet tennis is but a hobby for them.

Imagine playing some video games with your mates, maybe a few leisurely practices whenever you feel like it. And then going out and smashing Federer or Sampras.
 
I've not seen any. In terms clean ball striking - there were players who hit the ball better than Fed. But overall more talented? No one.
 
McEnroe is the most naturally talented player I've seen live. Talent takes a completely different form with poly strings and graphite racquets that do so much of the work for you.
 
There are a far more players more talented than Rodger than the media has lead us to believe. Beauty=/=talent.
Agassi was a more talented ball striker, Pete a more talented server, McEnroe a more talented volleyer, and so on. The only area where Federer's talent is peerless in the same sense as these gentlemen is his backhand slice.
 
ARIARAIDEN said:
Federer was hailed by most to be the most talented tennis player ever. Some said that he might not be the best ever, but still the most talented. I do love the Federer game. It's beautiful yet effective. I understand that it takes supreme talent to be able to execute it consistently like Fed did.

When asked "who's the most talented ever?" I would say Federer without thinking for another second. But when I did think for another second, I thought maybe my liking the Federer game made my view on the subject a bit limited. Shortly, maybe I'm biased.

Okay, maybe you guys are biased too , but I still want to hear your opinions. Who do you regard is/was more talented than Federer?

Laver? McEnroe? Edberg? Sampras? Rios? Safin? Nalbandian? Nadal? or maybe Djokovic? Who????
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BublikGoat
 
without a long-winded grounding in 'what constitutes talent,' i'd just say that at least in the 30+ years i've watched tennis, 3 guys stand out in that the racket seemed like an extension of their body: fed, mac, rios.

between mac and fed it's very close. easy to give the nod to fed, but there's a case for mac if you want to make it.

prior to these guys, i think leconte, nastase had that similar kind of racket face awareness/mastery.
 
Nadal and Djokovic are more talented, no?

They could do most of Fed’s crap while actually being able to make shots and not break down over time. So this makes them more talented players.
 
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