Who had better backhand passing shot?

Mr Topspin

Semi-Pro
As you some of you may be aware i have been watching a lot of the 80's matches featuring Becker and Edberg and I forgot how good Edberg was at hitting his backhand topspin shot. I know many people marvel at how good Federer is today but probably forget that guys like Stich, Edberg, Lendl all possed excellent bh passing shots as well not too mention Laver, Borg Connors, Ashe, Tilden etc.

So I put to the knowledgable posters on this site who do you think has the best backhand passing shot of all time?
 

urban

Legend
Budge and Rosewall commonly are credited with best bh passing drives. Rosewall always with a bit of slice. When Laver was on, his bh was fast and deceptive, with all possible spins, controlled by his strong wrist. Korda had a comparable bh as a leftie. Mecirs dh was very deceptive, a bit like the dh of Drysdale.
 

chaognosis

Semi-Pro
I agree with urban; Budge and Rosewall are the two names that always float to the top. Before Budge, Lacoste was often credited with having the strongest backhand, though some also said that during his peak years in America (1923-25), Tilden had the best backhand drive ever. There is a wonderful anecdote in Vijay Amritraj's autobiography about facing Rosewall's backhand passing shot for the first time. Budge's stroke, though, was probably the greatest backhand in history, and certainly the most legendary.

A short clip:

http://www.tennisplayer.net/public/champions/Ed_Atkinson_Don_Budge_samplearticle.html
 

matchmaker

Hall of Fame
For passing shots it would be Agassi, but he was a twohander. If you want a onehander my pick would be Kuerten.
 

Cenc

Hall of Fame
agassi
kuerten
dont forget safin and uso finals 2000 when he destroyed sampras
and dont forget sampras' running forehand
 

!Tym

Hall of Fame
For passing shots it would be Agassi, but he was a twohander. If you want a onehander my pick would be Kuerten.

True that. Agassi would probably be most people's universal consensus choice for the two-hander. Peak Hewitt was also incredibly dialed in. Chang, Bruguera, Kafelnikov, and Rios to me all get honorable mention since nobody will mention them as being goat in this category, but Chang could feather dip the most accute short angled backhand passes and thread the needle down the line with his two-hander almost at will on the **** with his little bent wrist thing. He got down low to the ball so well it was like he was doing yoga. Rios' backhand was just soooo difficult to read, because he had the simplest, most elan little takeback in the world, but then he could rifle it down the line with the accuracy of a KGB sniper, or send it dashing crosscourt on a laser-guided trajectory, or he could dip it low and take it real slow, real sultry, Latin hip-skip style on you. Bruguera's two-hander was also exceptionally difficult to read, few people held the direction longer on the pass than he could because of his ideosyncratic box-beam take back. He would literally freeze formidable volleyers like Rafter and Sampras in their tracks with his backhand pass trying to guess which way he'd go. He could hit the acute angles, cross, or flat down the line, with the best of them off this pass. The difference between he and Chang on the pass is that Chang had one of the all time great topspin lobs (those floppy bent limp wrists of his again coming into play), but Bruguera could flatten it out for major pace when he decided to lay his full body length into the shot. Chang lacked power on his pass, but had everything else...though I tend to think his crosscourt pass was more effective due to his bent wrist thing make it difficult to truly pancake flatten it out down the line (a la a Kafelnikov). Kafelnikov was a frozen-rope backhand passing shot artist. What he lacked in modulation, he made up for in sheer overengineered simplicity. Pace + flat + razor sharp accuracy at his best.

Agassi to me lacked the finesse and wizardry on the pass of some others like Bruguera and Rios, but what made his pass so consistently effecitve and fearsome was that he more so than any other tried to rip it ON THE RISE on the pass. He really aggressively charged his passes, I guess is the way to think of it in the same way that you think of Edberg being the guy who really agressively charged the net. Agassi was like the Edberg of passing shots. Rios the McEnroe of passing shots. Bruguera the Becker jack of all trades master of none of passing shots. Chang the Rafter of passing shots, tenacious but not necessarily singularly gifted or overwhelming.
 

suwanee4712

Professional
Of the players I saw:

2 handed man: Connors - preferred his hard, flat pass that robbed netrushers of time and was very accurate.

1 handed man: Ashe - tough choice here because there are a lot of great one handies on the guys' side. But I like Ashe's ability to thread the needle.

2 handed woman: Evert - I almost said "no contest here" but I think Seles' 2 handed backhanded was incredible too because of her power and angles. Still, Evert was lethal on this side like no one else.

1 handed woman: Mandlikova - I don't care where she was on the court, she could still pass you, even when it wasn't the right shot. The only one hander on the ladies side that might could rival Hana's was Catarina Lindqvist or Sabatini. Although Hana had better variety off that side (slice and lob) than either of those 2 did which made her topspin more lethal.
 
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matchmaker

Hall of Fame
True that. Agassi would probably be most people's universal consensus choice for the two-hander. Peak Hewitt was also incredibly dialed in. Chang, Bruguera, Kafelnikov, and Rios to me all get honorable mention since nobody will mention them as being goat in this category, but Chang could feather dip the most accute short angled backhand passes and thread the needle down the line with his two-hander almost at will on the **** with his little bent wrist thing. He got down low to the ball so well it was like he was doing yoga. Rios' backhand was just soooo difficult to read, because he had the simplest, most elan little takeback in the world, but then he could rifle it down the line with the accuracy of a KGB sniper, or send it dashing crosscourt on a laser-guided trajectory, or he could dip it low and take it real slow, real sultry, Latin hip-skip style on you. Bruguera's two-hander was also exceptionally difficult to read, few people held the direction longer on the pass than he could because of his ideosyncratic box-beam take back. He would literally freeze formidable volleyers like Rafter and Sampras in their tracks with his backhand pass trying to guess which way he'd go. He could hit the acute angles, cross, or flat down the line, with the best of them off this pass. The difference between he and Chang on the pass is that Chang had one of the all time great topspin lobs (those floppy bent limp wrists of his again coming into play), but Bruguera could flatten it out for major pace when he decided to lay his full body length into the shot. Chang lacked power on his pass, but had everything else...though I tend to think his crosscourt pass was more effective due to his bent wrist thing make it difficult to truly pancake flatten it out down the line (a la a Kafelnikov). Kafelnikov was a frozen-rope backhand passing shot artist. What he lacked in modulation, he made up for in sheer overengineered simplicity. Pace + flat + razor sharp accuracy at his best.

Agassi to me lacked the finesse and wizardry on the pass of some others like Bruguera and Rios, but what made his pass so consistently effecitve and fearsome was that he more so than any other tried to rip it ON THE RISE on the pass. He really aggressively charged his passes, I guess is the way to think of it in the same way that you think of Edberg being the guy who really agressively charged the net. Agassi was like the Edberg of passing shots. Rios the McEnroe of passing shots. Bruguera the Becker jack of all trades master of none of passing shots. Chang the Rafter of passing shots, tenacious but not necessarily singularly gifted or overwhelming.

Great comparison, you almost become lyrical here.
 

pmerk34

Legend
I agree with urban; Budge and Rosewall are the two names that always float to the top. Before Budge, Lacoste was often credited with having the strongest backhand, though some also said that during his peak years in America (1923-25), Tilden had the best backhand drive ever. There is a wonderful anecdote in Vijay Amritraj's autobiography about facing Rosewall's backhand passing shot for the first time. Budge's stroke, though, was probably the greatest backhand in history, and certainly the most legendary.

A short clip:

http://www.tennisplayer.net/public/champions/Ed_Atkinson_Don_Budge_samplearticle.html

Wow Budge had a beautiful stroke. I have oftened dreamed of Kuertan's backhand being mine, oh and his serve.
 
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