Who had the second best serve in Sampras’ era?

Who had the second best serve?

  • Krajicek

    Votes: 7 16.7%
  • Ivanisevic

    Votes: 26 61.9%
  • Phillipiousis

    Votes: 2 4.8%
  • Becker

    Votes: 5 11.9%
  • Stitch

    Votes: 2 4.8%

  • Total voters
    42

zill

Hall of Fame
Krajicek, Ivanisevic, Phillipiousis, Becker, Stitch?

Who overall had the second best serve after Sampras at the time?
 

zill

Hall of Fame
I remember a lot of players saying that Sampras' serve was so hard to break because his second serve was as hard to read and return as his first.

I think that pretty much sums up everything.
What does Sampras do differently on his second serve then the others? From footages he kicks them in just like the others.
 

GuyForget

Rookie
Ivanisevic's serve better than Sampras - served over 200 aces 3 times at Wimbledon, 16 in the 1st set against Pete in 94, broke the world record with 136mph in 94, still 4th on the all time list, still no-one's been able to pepper the lines like he did
 

NicoMK

Professional
I remember a lot of players saying that Sampras' serve was so hard to break because his second serve was as hard to read and return as his first.

I think that pretty much sums up everything.
Sorry, I misunderstood the title, as "who had the best second serve in Sampras' area?" Well, to me Pete as I said.

Otherwise and to answer properly to the OP's question, that would be Boris or maybe Stich. In my memories, Ivanisevic double-faulted a bit too much, especially in crucial times. As for Krajicek, yes great server but as far as I remember, nothing quite special about his second serve (for a server of his caliber).
 

zill

Hall of Fame
As for Krajicek, yes great server but as far as I remember, nothing quite special about his second serve (for a server of his caliber).
Has that got to do much with his small 88 sq inch head size racquet with a dense 18 by 20 string pattern?
 

Crazy Finn

Semi-Pro
What does Sampras do differently on his second serve then the others? From footages he kicks them in just like the others.
You must be blind or know nothing about tennis. Maybe both.
Can you give me a constructive answer please? All I can see is he kicks his sermons serve into the box but maybe with better placement than the other pros.
I'm guessing you haven't watched enough Sampras slam finals (or slam matches, in general).

It seemed like every time the opponent (*cough* Agassi or Goran, often) had a break point and Pete missed the first serve, he'd load up a second and either get a error from a lunging returner or a straight up ace. Since, generally I was rooting for Pete's opponent, it was constantly soul crushing.
 

zill

Hall of Fame
I'm guessing you haven't watched enough Sampras slam finals (or slam matches, in general).

It seemed like every time the opponent (*cough* Agassi or Goran, often) had a break point and Pete missed the first serve, he'd load up a second and either get a error from a lunging returner or a straight up ace. Since, generally I was rooting for Pete's opponent, it was constantly soul crushing.
lol why are you against Pete?

I was too young to remember properly back then.
 

Crazy Finn

Semi-Pro
lol why are you against Pete?

I was too young to remember properly back then.
Figures.

As far as Pete, I don't know. I was an Agassi guy - I loved his style of play. Pete just bombed aces and was boring (his game was much more than that, but I didn't appreciate it at the time). I appreciate him, now, years and years later, and but generally I root for the underdog and Sampras wasn't really ever that. I despise the Yankees, I hated the Cowboys (they were good in the 90's), and I didn't hate Pete, but generally rooted for his opponent.

10 seconds of searching and came up with this. You can note that almost ALL of them are at slams.


 
I am not so convinced Sampras' serve is the best ever. Ivanisevic and Krajicek were possibly better. I think Sampras was a better clutch server (and probably the best server in history on big points) but Ivanisevic certainly hit alot more aces and Krajicek seemed to have a bigger serve. I think the serves of Karlovic and Isner have overtaken Pistol Pete's. Roddick's serve is up there too. Sampras doesn't have the best first serve ever, but he probably does have the best second serve in history.
In Sampras' autobiography he says his overall game was better than the other big servers of his day, and this is what gave him the edge over his peers. History has been re-written which says all Sampras was a monster serve. His best shot was his serve but the rest of his game was also superb: fantastic forehand, underrated backhand (he hit plenty of winners off it) excellent at the net, supreme athlete, mentally as strong a player as anyone in tennis history. No other massive server could match these elements of Sampras. I saw Sampras outdo Agassi from the baseline. Ivanisevic, Krajicek, Karlovic and Isner would not be able to do this.
 

zill

Hall of Fame
I am not so convinced Sampras' serve is the best ever. Ivanisevic and Krajicek were possibly better. I think Sampras was a better clutch server (and probably the best server in history on big points) but Ivanisevic certainly hit alot more aces and Krajicek seemed to have a bigger serve. I think the serves of Karlovic and Isner have overtaken Pistol Pete's. Roddick's serve is up there too. Sampras doesn't have the best first serve ever, but he probably does have the best second serve in history.
In Sampras' autobiography he says his overall game was better than the other big servers of his day, and this is what gave him the edge over his peers. History has been re-written which says all Sampras was a monster serve. His best shot was his serve but the rest of his game was also superb: fantastic forehand, underrated backhand (he hit plenty of winners off it) excellent at the net, supreme athlete, mentally as strong a player as anyone in tennis history. No other massive server could match these elements of Sampras. I saw Sampras outdo Agassi from the baseline. Ivanisevic, Krajicek, Karlovic and Isner would not be able to do this.
What is the reason Sampras’ second serve was so good? From replays it definitely is a kick serve. Does it have more or weirder spin? Or just top placement?
 

Crazy Finn

Semi-Pro
What is the reason Sampras’ second serve was so good? From replays it definitely is a kick serve. Does it have more or weirder spin? Or just top placement?
Most players don't hit second serves on the T line or the outside line of the service box at 110-120 mph. Especially, when they're facing a break point.

Every once in a while, Sampras would do it and miss and double fault. But, it wasn't often.
 

zill

Hall of Fame
Most players don't hit second serves on the T line or the outside line of the service box at 110-120 mph. Especially, when they're facing a break point.

Every once in a while, Sampras would do it and miss and double fault. But, it wasn't often.
How did he do a kick serve with so much pace?? Was a different technique he used?
 

chrisb

Semi-Pro
I am not so convinced Sampras' serve is the best ever. Ivanisevic and Krajicek were possibly better. I think Sampras was a better clutch server (and probably the best server in history on big points) but Ivanisevic certainly hit alot more aces and Krajicek seemed to have a bigger serve. I think the serves of Karlovic and Isner have overtaken Pistol Pete's. Roddick's serve is up there too. Sampras doesn't have the best first serve ever, but he probably does have the best second serve in history.
In Sampras' autobiography he says his overall game was better than the other big servers of his day, and this is what gave him the edge over his peers. History has been re-written which says all Sampras was a monster serve. His best shot was his serve but the rest of his game was also superb: fantastic forehand, underrated backhand (he hit plenty of winners off it) excellent at the net, supreme athlete, mentally as strong a player as anyone in tennis history. No other massive server could match these elements of Sampras. I saw Sampras outdo Agassi from the baseline. Ivanisevic, Krajicek, Karlovic and Isner would not be able to do this.
Everybody seems to not understand the beauty of Petes serve was he hit all varieties of serves off the same contact point making it impossible to read
 
Everybody seems to not understand the beauty of Petes serve was he hit all varieties of serves off the same contact point making it impossible to read
I am not disputing this at all. Pete had one of the greatest serves ever. I am just saying I am not convinced his serve was head and shoulders the best. Sampras wasn't a greater player than Ivanisevic and Krajicek because he had a clearly better serve, but because the rest of his game was clearly better. Sampras has said this himself.
 

JasonZ

Semi-Pro
I'm guessing you haven't watched enough Sampras slam finals (or slam matches, in general).

It seemed like every time the opponent (*cough* Agassi or Goran, often) had a break point and Pete missed the first serve, he'd load up a second and either get a error from a lunging returner or a straight up ace. Since, generally I was rooting for Pete's opponent, it was constantly soul crushing.
Ivanisevic was much harder to ace than Agassi by Sampras. in 1998 final zero aces from Pete till middle of second set.


then in the second set tiebreak ivanisevic had 2 set points on sampras second serve, and another second serve at 8 : 8. sampras hits a zverev like slow second serve 3 times, ivanisevic manages to miss the return 3 times, sampras wins.

agassis return is the most overrated shot in the history of tennis, sampras aced left right and center with first and second serves.
 

chrisb

Semi-Pro
It sounds like we are mixing first and second serves together the poster asked specifically 2nd serve not first not combined just 2nd Pete wins that hands down and the reason I already stated contact point it’s not whose is.
fastest it who best
 

chrisb

Semi-Pro
I am not disputing this at all. Pete had one of the greatest serves ever. I am just saying I am not convinced his serve was head and shoulders the best. Sampras wasn't a greater player than Ivanisevic and Krajicek because he had a clearly better serve, but because the rest of his game was clearly better. Sampras has said this himself.
Agree just talking 2 Nd serve though he had the most difficult to read I watched all and they were all easier to read thrn the rest and backed it up better
 

mental midget

Hall of Fame
2nd best or best 2nd? not really a question on the first, it’s goran. ace machine and stats back it up.

best 2nd, yeah it’s pete. why? he hit it hard and placed it well, that’s pretty much it. went for more and usually made it. as to why it’s such a good shot...a very heavy racket traveling very fast, basically.
 

zill

Hall of Fame
2nd best or best 2nd? not really a question on the first, it’s goran. ace machine and stats back it up.

best 2nd, yeah it’s pete. why? he hit it hard and placed it well, that’s pretty much it. went for more and usually made it. as to why it’s such a good shot...a very heavy racket traveling very fast, basically.
Thought overall best serve is Sampras. Wanted to ask who was second best after him in overall effectiveness first and second serves combined.
 

Villain

Semi-Pro
I like how you phrased the question as if it’s not arguable that Pete’s serve is the best. I don’t think it’s arguable either. Pete 4 Life.
 

zill

Hall of Fame
I like how you phrased the question as if it’s not arguable that Pete’s serve is the best. I don’t think it’s arguable either. Pete 4 Life.
The stats show Sampras had the best serve in his era. But Krajicek came out as number 2. Am perplexed why most people selected Goran to have the second best serve after Sampras.
 

TexasVolley

New User
I personally liked Rafters 2nd serve. He could kick it something crazy but he was also a big fan of the body serve. He would often follow it with a easy volley because of his opponent being handcuffed. Pete of course still has the best 2nd serve ever IMO. It wasn't just because it had more pop and spin than others but from the same toss he could hit all any part of the box with any spin. He would also throw in a 1st serve on a 2nd just because. I remember Roger saying he could still compete on a fast courts with the best in the world because of how good his serve was even years after retirement.
 

Crazy Finn

Semi-Pro
Everybody seems to not understand the beauty of Petes serve was he hit all varieties of serves off the same contact point making it impossible to read
I personally liked Rafters 2nd serve. He could kick it something crazy but he was also a big fan of the body serve. He would often follow it with a easy volley because of his opponent being handcuffed. Pete of course still has the best 2nd serve ever IMO. It wasn't just because it had more pop and spin than others but from the same toss he could hit all any part of the box with any spin. He would also throw in a 1st serve on a 2nd just because. I remember Roger saying he could still compete on a fast courts with the best in the world because of how good his serve was even years after retirement.
Excellent points about being difficult to read, being able to hit several versions and spots while looking the same.

And yes, Rafter had an effective 2nd serve. Good point. It was a good alternative to going big like Pete, and worked quite well.
 

zill

Hall of Fame
I personally liked Rafters 2nd serve. He could kick it something crazy but he was also a big fan of the body serve. He would often follow it with a easy volley because of his opponent being handcuffed. Pete of course still has the best 2nd serve ever IMO. It wasn't just because it had more pop and spin than others but from the same toss he could hit all any part of the box with any spin. He would also throw in a 1st serve on a 2nd just because. I remember Roger saying he could still compete on a fast courts with the best in the world because of how good his serve was even years after retirement.
my question was not about the second serve.
 

Ocean Drive

Hall of Fame
I don't know if Sampras had the best serve of his era, but the three best I'd give to himself, Ivanisevic and Krajicek. Philippoussis had an excellent serve and on any given day could possess the best serve in the world, but overall it was just under the likes of those 3 guys.
 

NicoMK

Professional
Ivanisevic was the best server of his era, I'd say, even better than Pistol Pete. He may have been the best ever.
I'd say that Goran had and maybe still has the most powerful and fastest serve, mainly his first one. I remember he could serve aces so easily... But for me, Pete's was better, no question. His second serve was way better and he could hit both his first and second serve wherever he wanted with very few double faults. Also he was so confident with his serve... as Goran, strangely, could choke under pressure and start to rush and double fault.
 
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