Who has accomplished more: Thiem or Zverev?

More Accomplished Career So Far?

  • Thiem

    Votes: 66 75.9%
  • Zverev

    Votes: 21 24.1%

  • Total voters
    87

TU87

Rookie
Thiem. He won a slam and been to 3 other finals plus won Indian Wells. Olympic gold is on the level of a masters 1000 not a slam
 

TimHenmanATG

Hall of Fame
Alexander "Z" Zverev, obviously.

Olympic singles Gold is worth far more than a solitary Grand Slam title - especially one won in the 2020 US Open circumstances.

Domi has had the more solid career to date, but your question is about accomplishment.
 

FlamingCheeto

Professional
A little redemption for AZ, but he's still the first guy in 70+ years to lose a slam FINAL after winning the first 2 sets LOL
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
Thiem: 1 Slam, 3 finals, 1 M1000
Zverev: 1 final, 1 OG, 1 WTF, 4 M1000

Gotta go with Thiem for his Slam achievements, but Zverev is closing in fast.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Zverev is certainly the most accomplished player who hasn't yet won a Slam. That still gives Thiem the edge.

If only he had managed to serve out for the title at 2020 USO when he had the chance, there would be no need for threads like this.
 

UnforcedTerror

Hall of Fame
Zverev is a WTF champion, 2-time Madrid champion, Rome champion, and Canada champion. He beat the Big-3 five times in winning these 5 titles.

I don't think Thiem's fluke slam title trumps this.
Fluke or not, a Slam title is not worth more than a YEC title + OG + 3 Masters. I don't know what people are smoking here.
 

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
Zverev is certainly the most accomplished player who hasn't yet won a Slam. That still gives Thiem the edge.

If only he had managed to serve out for the title at 2020 USO when he had the chance, there would be no need for threads like this.
Exactly. He's a couple of points away from being defending USO champ.
Thiem's 0-2 H2H in clay Masters finals is a big black eye.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
Fluke or not, a Slam title is not worth more than a YEC title + OG + 3 Masters. I don't know what people are smoking here.
Maybe not with the Olympic gold thrown in now. But I bet if you asked Sascha last September he would gladly trade all his YEC and all his Masters titles to have won that USO final.
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
Zverev has done well and the Oly medal is huge in my book. But Theim with the GS gives him the edge.
 

Curtennis

Semi-Pro
A little redemption for AZ, but he's still the first guy in 70+ years to lose a slam FINAL after winning the first 2 sets LOL
I think the very last slam before Wimbledon that exact thing happened. I’m blown away that that hadn’t happened for 70 years befor.
 
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Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
Zverev is a WTF champion, 2-time Madrid champion, Rome champion, and Canada champion. He beat the Big-3 five times in winning these 5 titles.

I don't think Thiem's fluke slam title trumps this.
Was Wimbledon 2021 a fluke slam for Nole? What about Nadal‘s 2017 and 2019 USO?
Thiem straight set in SF the same player that gave Rafa serious trouble in 2019.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
Zverev has some great all round achievements. It's impressive. Very underrated considering how he gets treated.

It's a hard one for me. Obviously a slam title is the biggest thing and 4 other finals, but Zverevs all roundness is hard to ignore and the fact that he wins when it matters most of the time (the finals). For me it isn't just about a slam title. Zverev is a Masters champion, Olympic champion and World champion (YECs) in tennis. Thiem has had 2 good chances at YECs, had many great chances to win several masters, even another slam title he had a good chance at in AO 2020. But fact is those didn't result in titles. They are quite even IMO.
 

MadariKatu

Professional
Zverev is certainly the most accomplished player who hasn't yet won a Slam. That still gives Thiem the edge.

If only he had managed to serve out for the title at 2020 USO when he had the chance, there would be no need for threads like this.
Medvedev is also a wtf winner with 3 masters1000. Has no olympic medals, but 1 extra slam final. Has managed to beat top10 players in slams. Broke through 15 years of big4 top2 at the rankings, but I don't know how big the covid asterisk is on this one.

He's a year older, but came to prominence 2 years later. So, in a way, Zverev has the edge because he's younger. On the other hand, Medvedev has done nearly the same in less time, so he could have the edge. Depends how one might look at it, but I wouldn't say it's certain.
The olympic gold might just tilt the balance now, though.

You could also say about Thiem that if he had managed to win the 2020 AO there wouldn't be any need for threads like this. He was really close.
 

MadariKatu

Professional
Zverev has some great all round achievements. It's impressive. Very underrated considering how he gets treated.

It's a hard one for me. Obviously a slam title is the biggest thing and 4 other finals, but Zverevs all roundness is hard to ignore and the fact that he wins when it matters most of the time (the finals). For me it isn't just about a slam title. Zverev is a Masters champion, Olympic champion and World champion (YECs) in tennis. Thiem has had 2 good chances at YECs, had many great chances to win several masters, even another slam title he had a good chance at in AO 2020. But fact is those didn't result in titles. They are quite even IMO.
He gets treated like that because everybody sees the potential he has. He's the youngster that came earlier into the scene, and could have singlehandedly ended the big3 slam dominance from 2018 on
 

Fedeonic

Hall of Fame
Personally I don't see how Thiem is more accomplished than Zverev, in spite of the Grand Slam title and the H2H vs Sascha, but overall, Alex is far more accomplished while being younger.
Big titles/big finals:
Thiem: 2-7
Zverev: 6-5
 

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
Personally I don't see how Thiem is more accomplished than Zverev, in spite of the Grand Slam title and the H2H vs Sascha, but overall, Alex is far more accomplished while being younger.
Big titles/big finals:
Thiem: 2-7
Zverev: 6-5
I voted Zverev as well despite preferring Thiem as a player/person.
Thiem has done far better at slams, however, so Can definitely understand the lopsided poll.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Exactly. Zverev's a couple of points away from being defending USO champ.
Using this logic, Federer has 21 slams and Novak has 19 since Roger was one point away from winning Wimbledon 2019. "Almost" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades, not in tennis.

Anyway, Thiem as obviously accomplished more than Zverev, he's won a slam. Zverev has not.
 

Bender

G.O.A.T.
I voted Zverev initially, forgetting that Thiem actually won a slam (which made me quite happy)

So Thiem is my vote, but unfortunately outside of that slam win Zverev's resume is a light year ahead
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Zverev is a WTF champion, 2-time Madrid champion, Rome champion, and Canada champion. He beat the Big-3 five times in winning these 5 titles.

I don't think Thiem's fluke slam title trumps this.
Thiem has 4 slam finals, winning 1. (RG 18, RG 19, AO 20, USO 20)
Z has 1 slam final(USO 20)

Thiem is 9-8 vs top 10 players in slams
Zverev is 0-10 vs top 10 players in slams

Thiem lost 1 set on the way to USO 2020 final. Z lost many, including being down 2 sets to love down in the semi. Thiem straight-setted a tougher semi opponent in Medvedev.
The fluke would've been if Z won USO 2020 final.

As far as big3 is concerned, Thiem beat Nadal at AO 20, Djoko at RG 17/19. Z obviously hasn't beaten any of them at a slam.

Thiem is:

5-7 vs Djoko
6-9 vs Nadal
5-2 vs Federer

Combined, Thiem is 16-16 (50%) vs them

Zverev is:

3-6 vs Djoko
3-6 vs Nadal
4-3 vs Fed

Combined, Zverev is 10-15(40%) vs them
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
I voted Zverev initially, forgetting that Thiem actually won a slam (which made me quite happy)

So Thiem is my vote, but unfortunately outside of that slam win Zverev's resume is a light year ahead
Thiem has 3 other slam finals. Missing that?
 

PilotPete

Hall of Fame
It's close! Hard to say. In terms of what they actually won:

Thiem: 1 Slam, 1 M1000
Zverev: 1 OG, 1 WTF, 4 M1000
 
Thiem has 4 slam finals, winning 1. (RG 18, RG 19, AO 20, USO 20)
Z has 1 slam final(USO 20)

Thiem is 9-8 vs top 10 players in slams
Zverev is 0-10 vs top 10 players in slams

Thiem lost 1 set on the way to USO 2020 final. Z lost many, including being down 2 sets to love down in the semi. Thiem straight-setted a tougher semi opponent in Medvedev.
The fluke would've been if Z won USO 2020 final.

As far as big3 is concerned, Thiem beat Nadal at AO 20, Djoko at RG 17/19. Z obviously hasn't beaten any of them at a slam.

Thiem is:

5-7 vs Djoko
6-9 vs Nadal
5-2 vs Federer

Combined, Thiem is 16-16 (50%) vs them

Zverev is:

3-6 vs Djoko
3-6 vs Nadal
4-3 vs Fed

Combined, Zverev is 10-15(40%) vs them

This man spoke the truth.

/thread
 

duaneeo

Legend
Thiem has 4 slam finals, winning 1. (RG 18, RG 19, AO 20, USO 20)

Thiem is 9-8 vs top 10 players in slams

The fluke would've been if Z won USO 2020 final.

Combined, Thiem is 16-16 (50%) vs them
It's more about big wins than big finals.

Who cares about vs top 10.

Thiem winning 2020 USO was a fluke, and Zverev winning 2020 USO would've been a fluke.

Thiem is 1-5 vs the Big-3 in finals (0-5 vs Nadalovic).
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
I'm not, but the WTF + M1000 wins (and now OG) that Zverev has are worth more IMV, especially since some of those have come at Thiem's expense
I see that apart from Thiem's slam win:

3 slams finals+1 Masters+2 YEC finals for Thiem vs 1 slam final+4 Masters+1 YEC win+1 Olympics for Z

Z is not better by a light year is what I am saying.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
It's more about big wins than big finals.

Thiem winning 2020 USO was a fluke, and Zverev winning 2020 USO would've been a fluke.

Thiem is 1-5 vs the Big-3 in finals (0-5 vs Nadalovic).
Given Thiem had 3 slam finals previously, USO 2020 win was not a fluke.
You gotta make slam finals first to be able to win them.

Who cares about vs top 10.
You gotta be able to beat top 10 players in slams to win them, obviously. With a record like 0-10, well ....
 

aman92

Hall of Fame
Thiem because of slam and more GS finals although Zverev obviously has more big titles overall. He'll end up being far ahead of tim by the time their careers are over though
 

duaneeo

Legend
You gotta be able to beat top 10 players in slams to win them, obviously. With a record like 0-10, well ....
You gotta be able to beat the Big-3 in slams to win them, which is why no one other than the Big-3 have won them since 2017. Corona and the fluke DQ made the fluke 2020 USO win possible.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
You gotta be able to beat the Big-3 in slams to win them, which is why no one other than the Big-3 have won them since 2017. Corona and the fluke DQ made the fluke 2020 USO win possible.
Thiem has 3 wins over the big 3 in slams , even if he didn't win those slams. 17/19 RG vs Djoko and 20 AO vs Nadal.
 
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