messiahrobins
Legend
Who do you pick as having the greater year and why
Who has had the greater year between Sinner and Alcaraz 2024 so far
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RG GOD
Semi-Pro
You forgot silver medal and H2H 3-0 for Alcaraz
And beating Djokovic in a final instead of Taylor Swift
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
If i have to be objective, its sinner, but if you ask me what season would i prefer for myself, i would say Alcarazs one, Channel slam is just one of the sexiest achievements in tennis, specially when youre the youngest to do It, sinner Will end Up number one, but that would Matter more if Alcaraz hadnt already achieved that at 19
Dominic & Andrey
Legend
Sinner had the best year, objectively. But Alcaraz got the most epic one. Him rising from the ashes after his injuries to triumph splendidly in Paris and in Wimbledon was absolutely glorious to witness, even his Olympics run was enthralling, even the loss to Djokovic, that was a great match, it felt important, he gave everything even though he lost, there was emotions there.
I felt almost nothing when Sinner won his slams, I acknowledge that he is a strong player, I respect his level and consistency, but that's basically it. Just my honest impressions.
I felt almost nothing when Sinner won his slams, I acknowledge that he is a strong player, I respect his level and consistency, but that's basically it. Just my honest impressions.
N01E
Hall of Fame
Silver medal is still a loss, just like a slam RU. H2H is worthless. It's better to lose in the final than in the 2nd round vs Botic.
Carlitos has a great season, but Sinner's simply better so far.
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Also, 2 Slams, 1 SF and 1 QF > 2 Slams, 1 QF, and 1 second round
Accountant says Sinner, I say Alcaraz!
islappadaface
New User
These accountants have very good aesthetic taste because they picked Federer over Nadal in 2006, now Sinner over Alcaraz in 2024.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Sinner by miles
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
So while Carlos was being a pathetic loser at the Olympics, what was Jannik doing for his country?
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Ok but the accountant and title counter says Sinner though. Alcaraz did great this year too by splitting the Slams with Sinner but 2024 will go to Sinner imo unless he goes on a losing streak through the ATP Finals, which is highly unlikely. YE #1 will settle it.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
For me the answer is Carlos and here is why
Channel Slam > Colonies Slams
H2H to Charles
No steroid busts for Charles
Charles competed WITH a GOAT at the Olympics (Nadal) and against another (Djoko) and absolutely left it all out there in memorable fashion....all while Sinner was hiding behind "tonsilitis" to avoid more stringent Olympic drug tests and going on holiday
Channel Slam > Colonies Slams
H2H to Charles
No steroid busts for Charles
Charles competed WITH a GOAT at the Olympics (Nadal) and against another (Djoko) and absolutely left it all out there in memorable fashion....all while Sinner was hiding behind "tonsilitis" to avoid more stringent Olympic drug tests and going on holiday
islappadaface
New User
Stop pretending you care about players' patriotism or whether he wanted to play for "his country" - this kind of trolling is the worst kind.
NYTennisfan
Hall of Fame
When the 6560 point guy is 3-0 head to head and also won an Olympic silver, that's pretty noteworthy pluses in his favor.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Musetti did. Sinner didn't. Now we know why.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
This is a clear case of being best player of year yet it feels unsatisfying the way Carlos won two slams after being off for a year while Sinner has been the best for whole year
As of now Sinner leads Carlos in the Race rankings by 3000 points, therefore, Sinner is having the better year so far.
Martin J
Rookie
Sinner did better at Slams (more consistent anyway ,never lost before the QF), won one more Masters and was fairly better against the field, 59-6 compared to Alcaraz's 48-9, and won more titles overall, so it's obvious to me. And while I find Carlos's achievement to be sweeter due to a Wimbledon title, that's totally subjective and the only scenario that would change my mind regarding the real #1 is Alcaraz winning the ATP finals, that could be a tie-break. Until that happens, it's Sinner.
N01E
Hall of Fame
Being the current Davis Cup champion I guess.
3-0 is nothing compared to an extra M1000 and almost 3k points lead.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Sir, that was a year ago. Late 2023. Is that the best you can do?
Sinner deservedly has more points and is ATP #1 in the race. But his slam runs were less impressive and he didn't have to compete agains Carlos for either of them. Plus Channel Slam is more impressive than AO/USO double. Adding to that the 3-0 H2H against Sinner for this year, I would take Alcaraz over Sinner.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
The AO win was arguably as impressive as the RG win.
Succession
Semi-Pro
Sinner on paper, objectively.
Raz on fire, subjectively. And I think there's much more to come from him going forward.
Raz on fire, subjectively. And I think there's much more to come from him going forward.
But Djokovic was off, Medvedev was worn out. Alcaraz beat both Sinner and Zverev at the FO. I still give Carlos FO run the edge
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
But it's Djokovic in Melbourne. To beat him there, even if we both agree he was off, is still a major task. Zverev is not that level.
Then we could compare Sinner's AO to Alcaraz's WB and Sinner's USO to Alcaraz's FO.
Unfair, I know. This is not D&D.
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
For me, the AO win was a little better than both. The Wimbledon is slightly better than the RG win, but I could make an argument either way. The USO win was definitely the least impressive.
N01E
Hall of Fame
And that still stands. What do you want then? United Cup? Only Djokovic won OSG this year, so are the other singles male players as you said "losers"? Sinner did ok in the national department and even better outside of it. If you don't like Jannik it's fine, but claiming he doesn't do enough when representing his country while he's the champion of the longest running international team competition in tennis is just weird.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Ask any Italian which player they hold in higher regard now, Sinner or Musetti.
Musetti did what Sinner refused to do, and brought home some hardware for his efforts. Italians won't soon forget that
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
The USO was depressing, a foregone conclusion for a guy who's got an unfair advantage.
I imagine Trump's inauguration in 2025 will have a similar feel lol
NYTennisfan
Hall of Fame
Head to head is kind of important especially when it's a 3 match winning streak when comparing years with the Olympic silver added in.
Racquet_smash
Professional
2 Slams + 2 SFs + 2 M1000 + 2 500 seems quite clearly better to me than 2 slams + QF + R2 + Silver Medal + M1000 + 500.
NONSENSE!
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Tennfan123
Legend
Rune
MaluTapiMau
Rookie
teethy for me. channel slams, olympic silver.
Winner Sinner
Hall of Fame
Have you forgotten that Sinner couldn't participate in those Olympics, otherwise I'm not sure he would have won the gold but certainly his presence would have prevented Djokovic from winning the Olympic tournament considering that beating in succession in the Sinner-Alcaraz eventuality is a bit It's different than beating Musetti-Alcaraz. Yes, I'm saying that with Sinner present at the Olympics the serbian would not have been able to realize his Olympic dream, personal opinion. But above all you have forgotten that Sinner has constantly lived with the burden of positivity since last April, yet this season he has a record of 59-6, and those only 6 defeats all occurred after rather tight matches. Sinner is definitely the best player of this 2024, the calculation of the direct clashes with Alcaraz will have time to settle between Shanghai, Bercy, Turin and Davis Cup, three of these tournaments are played indoors, Jannik's reign.
Winner Sinner
Hall of Fame
I ask;
Has it ever happened that a player won at least one set in each of the first 65 matches played within the same season?
Sinner has been on an open streak since the beginning of the year, essentially since the final with Djokovic of Turin who hasn't finished a match without winning at least one set. This figure is also indicative of its unparalleled consistency over the last 12 months.
As a Sinner fan, the defeat that bothers me the most in his extraordinary 2024 is definitely the one against Medvedev at Wimbledon, I was truly convinced that he could win that tournament. Much less convinced at Roland Garros, which is why I mentioned that verdict more nonchalantly. Indeed, for me in that semi-final in Paris with Alcaraz, given the circumstances, Sinner was incredible in making his life so difficult. Both came from the infirmary, the difference is that after Madrid the Spaniard was able to continue to treat his athletic side while the Italian due to a hip problem had to undergo rehabilitation in the Juventus medical center as he was unable to train with the racket for two weeks . Anyone who says that Sinner does not yet offer guarantees on surfaces other than concrete risks making a big mistake. Sinner next year (Tas permitting) is ready to aim to win each of the slams, which does not mean that he will win them all but that he can give himself great chances in each of them.
Has it ever happened that a player won at least one set in each of the first 65 matches played within the same season?
Sinner has been on an open streak since the beginning of the year, essentially since the final with Djokovic of Turin who hasn't finished a match without winning at least one set. This figure is also indicative of its unparalleled consistency over the last 12 months.
As a Sinner fan, the defeat that bothers me the most in his extraordinary 2024 is definitely the one against Medvedev at Wimbledon, I was truly convinced that he could win that tournament. Much less convinced at Roland Garros, which is why I mentioned that verdict more nonchalantly. Indeed, for me in that semi-final in Paris with Alcaraz, given the circumstances, Sinner was incredible in making his life so difficult. Both came from the infirmary, the difference is that after Madrid the Spaniard was able to continue to treat his athletic side while the Italian due to a hip problem had to undergo rehabilitation in the Juventus medical center as he was unable to train with the racket for two weeks . Anyone who says that Sinner does not yet offer guarantees on surfaces other than concrete risks making a big mistake. Sinner next year (Tas permitting) is ready to aim to win each of the slams, which does not mean that he will win them all but that he can give himself great chances in each of them.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
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