Who has improved their game more this season?

[dking68]

Now that the 2023 Season has effectively come to an end, who do you feel improved their game more this year?

2022 Stats - Sinner and Alcaraz

Win/Loss 2022 stats:

Sinner - 47-16 (75%)
Alcaraz - 57-13 (81%)

Win/Loss 2023 stats:

Sinner - 62-15 (81%)
Alcaraz - 65-12 (84%)

Top ten wins 2022:

Sinner - 3
Alcaraz - 9

Top ten wins 2023:

Sinner - 12
Alcaraz - 11

Best ELO ranking

Sinner - #2 (2165.1 Peak ELO)
Alcaraz - #1 (2239.7 Peak ELO )

Titles won and finals played - 2022 vs 2023

2022:
Sinner - 1 title, 1 final
Alcaraz - 5 titles, 7 finals

2023:
Sinner - 4 titles, 7 finals
Alcaraz - 6 titles, 8 finals

Dominance ratio - 2022 vs 2023

2022:

Sinner - 1.16
Alcaraz -1.23

2023:

Sinner - 1.28
Alcaraz - 1.26

SPW, RPW, TPW - 2022 vs 2023

SPW - 2022:

Sinner - 65.7%
Alcaraz - 66.3%

SPW - 2023

Sinner - 68.1%
Alcaraz - 66.8%

RPW - 2022

Sinner - 39.9%
Alcaraz- 41.4%

RPW - 2023

Sinner - 40.8%
Alcaraz - 42.0%


TPW - 2022

Sinner - 52.6%
Alcaraz - 53.3%

TPW - 2023

Sinner - 53.9%
Alcaraz - 53.9%

 

[Fabresque]

Clearly Sinner as Alcaraz didn’t achieve anything he couldn’t in 2022. He set the standard way too high for himself but he replicated it pretty well outside of not being YE No.1.

Sinner won his first big title, reached his maiden slam SF, earned his first victories over Medvedev (former No.1) and Djokovic (current No.1) who both had eluded him prior, made the WTF finals, and reached a career high #4 in the world.

 

[dking68]

@Kralingen Sinner is growing stronger than Alcaraz. Don’t be surprised if he surpasses him in ranking next year

 

[Aabye5]

Clearly Sinner as Alcaraz didn’t achieve anything he couldn’t in 2022. He set the standard way too high for himself but he replicated it pretty well outside of not being YE No.1.

Sinner won his first big title, reached his maiden slam SF, earned his first victories over Medvedev (former No.1) and Djokovic (current No.1) who both had eluded him prior, made the WTF finals, and reached a career high #4 in the world.

Alcaraz couldn't win Wimbledon in 2022. Don't underestimate how much he has improved as well.

 

[dking68]

Alcaraz couldn't win Wimbledon in 2022. Don't underestimate how much he has improved as well.

That is true. I hope Sinner and Alcaraz get a rematch at next years Wimbledon. With that improved serve from Jannik, I don’t see a title defense from Carlos on the British lawns next year if they draw in the same half

 

[Fabresque]

Alcaraz couldn't win Wimbledon in 2022. Don't underestimate how much he has improved as well.

He also didn’t win in the US Open this year to defend his title. Slams are all equal.

 

[Aabye5]

He also didn’t win in the US Open this year to defend his title. Slams are all equal.

We are talking about improvements in this thread. Not Slam count.

His grass game improved.

 

[socallefty]

Does it matter because Djokovic improved more than both of them? He decided to hit his FH 7-10 mph bigger than he has for most of his career, served more precisely (#4 on ATP serve leaderboard) and dominated winning 3 Slams, 2 Masters and the ATP Finals hardly losing any sets and having a 90% winning % for the year. To the eye test, he looked way better this year than he did in 2021/2022 when he had pretty spectacular results also - in those years, he was doing enough to win while this year he was crushing his opponents in a more one-sided manner. I can’t be,icee that we are talking about whether his season is on par with 2015 which reflects how much he improved.

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At the start of the year, we thought he might win a big tournament here and there with difficulty while some of his younger competition would overtake him in game level. Now it seems like the gap has increased between him and the rest of the tour even if the younger stars are improving and we are wondering if he is going to have another dominant year in 2024 and maybe even 2025. That is how much Djokovic improved his game this year.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Everything has context in it. Sinner won 1 masters without beating anyone of note. Then 2 smaller 500s.

Alcaraz won a slam.

Buf alcaraz won a slam last year as well so there is no more improvement. But sinner is yet to make a slam finals.

 

[dking68]

Everything has context in it. Sinner won 1 masters without beating anyone of note. Then 2 smaller 500s.

Alcaraz won a slam.

Buf alcaraz won a slam last year as well so there is no more improvement. But sinner is yet to make a slam finals.

Sinner is closing the gap on Alcaraz. He will pass him out somewhere in 2024, thinking if Sinner take him out in the Wimbledon semi he will reach #2 in the rankings, and if he reaches AO F + RG semi

 

[Hitman]

Both Alcaraz and Sinner are the real answers.

Anyone who says Alcaraz didn't improve his game is clueless, the guy freaking mastered grass and beat Djokovic in the Wimbledon final. He has officially become a threat on all surfaces at all slams.

Sinner's improvement especially these past few months has been extraordinary, considering where he was at the start of the year. His amazing run of 8 straight top 10 wins, which included getting multiple wins over Medvedev, beating Djokovic and Rune for the first time were a true highlight of this year.

I predict these two to improve even more next year and along with Rune, they are very close to kicking that door in.

 

[Benf15harp]

I don’t think either one actually got better. Still tiny because he beat Nole when and where it mattered the most. (Even though I believe it was rigged) still, That one W(w) greater than anything JS has done this season(ever lol) which primarily was dominating the end of year when most guys are halfway to Tahiti
2024 will tell the tale

 

[Third Serve]

Wimbledon was a big improvement from Alcaraz but he kinda fell off since then.

On aggregate I’d go with Sinner.

 

[Jonesy]

Carlos might have peaked earlier, but his ceiling could be lower than Sinner who is getting better with each tournament.

 

[dking68]

Carlos might have peaked earlier, but his ceiling could be lower than Sinner who is getting better with each tournament.

Like in growth of height, late bloomers ways grow tallest

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Sinner lost 4R at the Aus Open, 2R at the French Open and 4R at the US Open. Frankly embarrassing.

Making one slam SF is a bigger improvement than the guy who had no grass game and yet won Wimbledon?

Come on. Tommy Paul had about the same year at the slams as Sinner.

 

[GAS]

Djokovic is the most improved player this season.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Clearly Sinner as Alcaraz didn’t achieve anything he couldn’t in 2022. He set the standard way too high for himself but he replicated it pretty well outside of not being YE No.1.

Sinner won his first big title, reached his maiden slam SF, earned his first victories over Medvedev (former No.1) and Djokovic (current No.1) who both had eluded him prior, made the WTF finals, and reached a career high #4 in the world.

I don't get this. Because Alcaraz won a slam last year he didn't improve as much as Sinner this year? Dude won Wimbledon despite having no grass game prior. Two slam SF's on top of that along with Masters wins. Sinner lost in the 4R of 2 slams and the 2R of another slam. It's cute he managed a win over Medvedev (so did De Minaur).

There's a question, do you say that De Minaur improved more this year than Alcaraz? Because Alcaraz didn't achieve anything he couldn't in 2022? De Minaur won his first 500 title, made a Masters final, he might win a Davis Cup in the final, he defeated Nadal along with 5 other top 10 players.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

He also didn’t win in the US Open this year to defend his title. Slams are all equal.

Slams are all equal and Sinner lost before the QF's in 3 of them. That is not a good improvement. Ben Shelton had better slam results than Sinner!

 

[dking68]

Slams are all equal and Sinner lost before the QF's in 3 of them. That is not a good improvement. Ben Shelton had better slam results than Sinner!

We’ll see who has the better career

 

[Tennfan123]

The guy who won Wimbledon vs Djokovic.
Not the guy who fluked some easy 1000 and 500 draws and flopped in the slams, again.

 

[Sudacafan]

Now that the 2023 Season has effectively come to an end, who do you feel improved their game more this year?

2022 Stats - Sinner and Alcaraz

Win/Loss 2022 stats:

Sinner - 47-16 (75%)
Alcaraz - 57-13 (81%)

Win/Loss 2023 stats:

Sinner - 62-15 (81%)
Alcaraz - 65-12 (84%)

Top ten wins 2022:

Sinner - 3
Alcaraz - 9

Top ten wins 2023:

Sinner - 12
Alcaraz - 11

Best ELO ranking

Sinner - #2 (2165.1 Peak ELO)
Alcaraz - #1 (2239.7 Peak ELO )

Titles won and finals played - 2022 vs 2023

2022:
Sinner - 1 title, 1 final
Alcaraz - 5 titles, 7 finals

2023:
Sinner - 4 titles, 7 finals
Alcaraz - 6 titles, 8 finals

Dominance ratio - 2022 vs 2023

2022:

Sinner - 1.16
Alcaraz -1.23

2023:

Sinner - 1.28
Alcaraz - 1.26

SPW, RPW, TPW - 2022 vs 2023

SPW - 2022:

Sinner - 65.7%
Alcaraz - 66.3%

SPW - 2023

Sinner - 68.1%
Alcaraz - 66.8%

RPW - 2022

Sinner - 39.9%
Alcaraz- 41.4%

RPW - 2023

Sinner - 40.8%
Alcaraz - 42.0%


TPW - 2022

Sinner - 52.6%
Alcaraz - 53.3%

TPW - 2023

Sinner - 53.9%
Alcaraz - 53.9%

I don't need any stats to utter my objective judgements.

 

[McGradey]

Sinner is …

Sinner

Sinner is growing

Sinner!

Sinner …

Spoiler

Sinner.

 

[Djokodalerer31]

The guy who won Wimbledon vs Djokovic.
Not the guy who fluked some easy 1000 and 500 draws and flopped in the slams, again.

This is not about - "Who had better season", this is about - "Who improved the most" i hope you really understand the difference between the two...

 

[FeroBango]

Alcaraz entered realms Sinner couldn't come close to perceiving until now... Kinda.

He's done well even as the younger one of the two to not only match but also improve his stellar 18/19 year.

A 21-yo Alcaraz with a real off-season to benefit from is going to fun.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

This is not about - "Who had better season", this is about - "Who improved the most" i hope you really understand the difference between the two...

Alcaraz went from nothing on grass to winning Wimbledon while Sinner went from early slam losses to…. 3 more early slam losses and then the easiest run to a slam SF that we’ve seen…..

Sinner barely improved at slams, he won one Masters with a breezy draw and then had a good ATP Finals. Alcaraz meanwhile improved immensely at Wimbledon and pulled off the huge victory. He improved more than a guy with some slam 4R losses.

 

[Pheasant]

Now that the 2023 Season has effectively come to an end, who do you feel improved their game more this year?

2022 Stats - Sinner and Alcaraz

Win/Loss 2022 stats:

Sinner - 47-16 (75%)
Alcaraz - 57-13 (81%)

Win/Loss 2023 stats:

Sinner - 62-15 (81%)
Alcaraz - 65-12 (84%)

Top ten wins 2022:

Sinner - 3
Alcaraz - 9

Top ten wins 2023:

Sinner - 12
Alcaraz - 11

Best ELO ranking

Sinner - #2 (2165.1 Peak ELO)
Alcaraz - #1 (2239.7 Peak ELO )

Titles won and finals played - 2022 vs 2023

2022:
Sinner - 1 title, 1 final
Alcaraz - 5 titles, 7 finals

2023:
Sinner - 4 titles, 7 finals
Alcaraz - 6 titles, 8 finals

Dominance ratio - 2022 vs 2023

2022:

Sinner - 1.16
Alcaraz -1.23

2023:

Sinner - 1.28
Alcaraz - 1.26

SPW, RPW, TPW - 2022 vs 2023

SPW - 2022:

Sinner - 65.7%
Alcaraz - 66.3%

SPW - 2023

Sinner - 68.1%
Alcaraz - 66.8%

RPW - 2022

Sinner - 39.9%
Alcaraz- 41.4%

RPW - 2023

Sinner - 40.8%
Alcaraz - 42.0%


TPW - 2022

Sinner - 52.6%
Alcaraz - 53.3%

TPW - 2023

Sinner - 53.9%
Alcaraz - 53.9%

Wow. Great stats! Sinner definitely improved a lot more than Carlos did. I think most of it is wrapped up in that serve of his. If his serve improves as much in 2024 as it did in 2023, then he will catch up and pass Carlos. But Sinner has made it interesting for sure. Hopefully, we get to see more improvement from both of these players.

 

[NeutralFan]

Sinner didn't improve anything, he just played his natural game, his improved version will come next year when he dominate the slams. Sinner bar is much higher than Carlos's.

 

[dking68]

Sinner didn't improve anything, he just played his natural game, his improved version will come next year when he dominate the slams. Sinner bar is much higher than Carlos's.

I agree

 

[Pheasant]

Per the ATP website, here are Sinner’s rankings in 2023 in serving and returning vs his rankings in 2022.

2022:
Serving: #36
Returning: #12

2023:
Serving: #9
Returning: #3

The only other player that was ranked inside the top 10 in both categories was Novak Djokovic.

This is why Sinner was able to go to 7 finals and win 4 titles. This is why he started beating top-10 players much more often this year.

Sinner has improved immensely. I noticed it on his serve right away. But I had to look it up to see how much. And it improved by a country mile.

@dking68 correctly called Sinner’s improvement months ago. He told me that Sinner was going to turn things around and beat Medvedev; despite the fact that Med had owned him. I said no way. But I was dead-wrong.

 

[dking68]

Per the ATP website, here are Sinner’s rankings in 2023 in serving and returning vs his rankings in 2022.

2022:
Serving: #36
Returning: #12

2023:
Serving: #9
Returning: #3

The only other player that was ranked inside the top 10 in both categories was Novak Djokovic.

This is why Sinner was able to go to 7 finals and win 4 titles. This is why he started beating top-10 players much more often this year.

Sinner has improved immensely. I noticed it on his serve right away. But I had to look it up to see how much. And it improved by a country mile.

@dking68 correctly called Sinner’s improvement months ago. He told me that Sinner was going to turn things around and beat Medvedev; despite the fact that Med had owned him. I said no way. But I was dead-wrong.

@Pheasant @nachiket nolefam i predict 7 titles for Sinner next season. Sinner beat Djokovic who had 3 match points. A big 2024 for Sinner is coming

 

[dking68]

@NeutralFan Sinner beats the GOAT again! He’s coming in 2024.

 

[Hitman]

Sinner played great, felt he escaped in this one, but overall, the tennis he produced was quality, as Djokovic was challenging all the way to the end.

 

[dking68]

Sinner played great, felt he escaped in this one, but overall, the tennis he produced was quality, as Djokovic was challenging all the way to the end.

He should’ve had the same bravery in the finals last week. I think this is a big win for Sinner. A great 2024 awaits

 

[Hitman]

He should’ve had the same bravery in the finals last week. I think this is a big win for Sinner. A great 2024 awaits

He tried his best over the last few months, his top ten wins has been staggering, you can't be too hard on him on being perfect.

Since USO

3x wins vs Medvedev
2x wins vs Djokovic
1x win vs Alcaraz
1x win vs Tsitsipas
1x win vs Rune
1x win vs Rublev

 

[dking68]

He tried his best over the last few months, his top ten wins has been staggering, you can't be too hard on him on being perfect.

Since USO

3x wins vs Medvedev
2x wins vs Djokovic
1x win vs Alcaraz
1x win vs Tsitsipas
1x win vs Rune
1x win vs Rublev

No doubt.

 

[Hitman]

No doubt.

He has a great future ahead of him, no question, and he's great to watch.

Him, Alcaraz and Rune will keep tennis very interesting in the future.

 

[Pheasant]

@Pheasant @nachiket nolefam i predict 7 titles for Sinner next season. Sinner beat Djokovic who had 3 match points. A big 2024 for Sinner is coming

If he does that, then he will shake up the tennis world. And it’s very possible that he will. He’s got the skills to do it. I think that 2024 is going to be very interesting among Rune, Sinner, Djokovic, Medvedev, and Alcaraz.

It’s going to be a great year. For the first time in many years, I’m very excited for the future of tennis.

 

[Hitman]

If he does that, then he will shake up the tennis world. And it’s very possible that he will. He’s got the skills to do it. I think that 2024 is going to be very interesting among Rune, Sinner, Djokovic, Medvedev, and Alcaraz.

It’s going to be a great year. For the first time in many years, I’m very excited for the future of tennis.

When was the last great year according to you?

 

[Subway Tennis]

Sinner improved more of the two.

Sinner made quantitative growth that is reflected statistically, particularly on serve, but the biggest step has been separating himself from the majority of the tour with the mental components of his game. Alcaraz made that same mental leap last year. Great players can toil for ten years and never figure out a way to flick that switch.

At the start of this season Alcaraz, Medvedev and Djokovic were easily the best three active players on tour. By year’s end Sinner had forced himself into that select group.

 

[Pheasant]

When was the last great year according to you?

I was referring to the future, meaning up-and-coming youngsters; at least a couple of them. With that being said, probably 2007 when Djoker and Murray hit the scene big.

 

[dking68]

Now that the 2023 Season has effectively come to an end, who do you feel improved their game more this year?

2022 Stats - Sinner and Alcaraz

Win/Loss 2022 stats:

Sinner - 47-16 (75%)
Alcaraz - 57-13 (81%)

Win/Loss 2023 stats:

Sinner - 62-15 (81%)
Alcaraz - 65-12 (84%)

Top ten wins 2022:

Sinner - 3
Alcaraz - 9

Top ten wins 2023:

Sinner - 12
Alcaraz - 11

Best ELO ranking

Sinner - #2 (2165.1 Peak ELO)
Alcaraz - #1 (2239.7 Peak ELO )

Titles won and finals played - 2022 vs 2023

2022:
Sinner - 1 title, 1 final
Alcaraz - 5 titles, 7 finals

2023:
Sinner - 4 titles, 7 finals
Alcaraz - 6 titles, 8 finals

Dominance ratio - 2022 vs 2023

2022:

Sinner - 1.16
Alcaraz -1.23

2023:

Sinner - 1.28
Alcaraz - 1.26

SPW, RPW, TPW - 2022 vs 2023

SPW - 2022:

Sinner - 65.7%
Alcaraz - 66.3%

SPW - 2023

Sinner - 68.1%
Alcaraz - 66.8%

RPW - 2022

Sinner - 39.9%
Alcaraz- 41.4%

RPW - 2023

Sinner - 40.8%
Alcaraz - 42.0%


TPW - 2022

Sinner - 52.6%
Alcaraz - 53.3%

TPW - 2023

Sinner - 53.9%
Alcaraz - 53.9%

Now 13 top ten wins for Sinner and 10 top five wins.

 

[jackson vile]

No contest!

 

[Sudacafan]

Sinner and Alcaraz did nothing worthy.
Djokovic was the most improved hands down.
In 2023, he tripled the quantity of slams he won in 2022.

 

[AgassiSuperSlam11]

Not in the poll but I'll say Coco Gauff toward the last half of the season.