Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Golden Retriever, Sep 19, 2007.
Most wristy is Federer.
Most nonwristy is maybe Henman?
most wristy is definetly not federer.
more wristy is probably andreev. Non wristi is sharapova lol
but he must be one of the top 3.
Nadal's is. It's because his grip is always is backhands grip so he uses his wrist so much to be able to hit that extreme top spin forehand.
Igor Andreev is the most wristy
out of current players Lee is pretty nonwristy probably since he uses a continental forehand.
oldies JMac of course
a lot of the women don't use to much wrist either.
He probably uses the least amount of wrist.
No way man. Watch his forehands in this vid
sorry its sideways.
Federer has a lot of racket head speed on his forehand, I think more of a combination of technique and wrist action. But I agree with Andreev has a lot of wrist in his forehand.
Non-wristy: Would Stepanek qualify?
not only is it racket speed, but he twists his wrist. He has that windshield wiper forehand with an eastern grip, thats a lot of wrist action.
I always thought Andre's wrist was pretty stiff.
Donald Young's wrist looks super wristy to me imo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGhEuYaRtGM
Andreev and Nadal use tons of wrist.
Least: maybe Bjorkman but no one can compete with JMac, he hit like a crab claw.
what about berasategui ?
he had a wrist-destructor FH !
Maybe Hrbaty for least wristy?
It's the wrist that allows him to hit such a powerful forehand. You need to snap your wrist with perfect timing to get power on the stroke. Anyone who take tennis seriously should know this.
Wait for it. . .
I second that....
I will say Djokovic forehand has so much wrist action and for women is Sabatini.
Wrist or no wrist
Take a look at the slo-mo link that Str33t provided and you will see that Fed uses very little wrist as the ball is being struck. However the wrist and arm do pronate after the ball is gone, to accentuate the follow through. This is to maximize the upward and forward motion that generates all of that power.
Then take a look at Rafa's FH and you will see that with his WFH grip he snaps his wrist upward at contact to generate racquet head speed and thus massive spin. However, this can cause problems on faster courts if he does not move forward at contact. He will get the spin but not much power resulting in the ball landing short in the court.
Oscar Hernandez. Don't have a link to some footage, but this Spanish clay-courter hits an unusual forehand with extreme wrist action.
Yes, without a doubt! He makes the rest of the wristy-FH-tour-players look like beginners.
Federer uses nothing but wrist!!!!
At the contact point, Federer's wrist is laid back just like 100% of the top pros. Definitely not wristy. He might relax it into the shot, but it isn't a conscious fling or snap into the ball.
that is exactly who i was thinking about..
federer uses a ton of wrist. anyone that hits a hard forehand no doubt uses a lot of wrist regardless of topspin because that is where all the power is released just like a golf swing. if you dont use much wrist you get very little power released regardless of how strong you are.
"Definitely not wristy. He might relax it into the shot, but it isn't a conscious fling or snap into the ball."
i couldn't disagree more, if you watch his forehand in slow motion you will see a smooth stroke coming up to the ball then right as he releases his wrist the racket moves incredibly quick to the point it almost looks like full speed video and not slow motion. thats not arm movement causing that incredible increase in speed thats his wrists. every announcer i have heard says he has the fastest racket speed in the game.
You can accelerate the racquet very fast without using wrist by using your legs, hips and torso rotation (IOW the kinetic chain).
Maybe you can explain this to me:
That doesn't look wristy at all to me.
Federer's forehand is wristy. His grip is close to eastern so it's not going to be as wristy as Nadal or Andreev though.
Even Becker commented on Federer's use of the wrist in the Federer documentary. Federer's wrist breaks before contact then rolls over, but his grip doesn't allow for an extreme wrist action.
The least wristy? John McEnroe.
Top teachers (Yandell, Bungalo, Mojo, Jeff Counts and Mahboob) discussing the role of the wrist and how Federer's forehand isn't wristy:
Hahaha! You're telling me FEDERER has the least wristy forehand on the tour? It's the opposite, he's definitely top 3 or so. Nadal being 1
To the people posting pictures/vids of Federer hitting non-wristy forehands:
Federer and all other pros can hit their forehand many different ways, including no wrist movement. I always think it's hilarious whe people have debates on if a certain player moves his wrist during a forehand and they keep posting vids of the player, hitting the type of forehand they think that player hits all the time. Thats just not the case, you can take any player and if you get tons of slow motion vids you can find one with no wrist movement, no matter how much they use wrist movement when they blast topspin forehands on the baseline..\
Sure you guys can post Fed hitting a forehand in a certain situation, having no wrist movement, but the fact remains that Federer uses a lot of wrist action (more than most) on many of his topspin forehands
No one whose a member to hi-techtennis.com can tell me that Federer doesn't use a lot of wrist action:
Top teachers? I wonder why people listen to all this info and "advice" from people they don't know, never met, and will never meet, as opposed to spending some bucks on lessons. Lessons during which you can REALLY see if the coach knows what he's talking about. Your top teacher should be YOUR coach, not some stranger on the internet.
I have a sugar daddy on the internet. I don't know who he is.
He makes me feel durrrrty.
Again, I suggest spending some money on a proper dominatrix who'll teach you the intricacies of BDSM.
I dont know if it matters that a stranger gives advice as long as its improving your game. If you ever read the sticky threads in the tips/instructions section you would realize how good info there is!
Wristy !!Looking!! FHs:Henin, Federer Nadal...Maybe Nadal is the top contender.
I don't know what kind of top teachers they are, but this is just completely wrong. I've been trained in junior tennis academy before and my coach always told me to use the wrist on the forehand AND serve. Putting body weight into the shot is easy, but snapping the wrist with perfect timing is what I'm still struggling to do...
Well James Blake does say not to use the wrist on the forehand, I just cant find the video
That is because your coach was wrong. I am not asking you to believe me(us) but if you have been struggling with something for a while, I suggest you find another coach. You shouldn't even be thinking about using your wrist, it is just along for the ride. All snapping your wrist will do is rob power and spin as well as ruin your timing.
Please lets not start an argument here, and derail this thread.
This properly has been covered, but heres my take: The wrist has to be relaxed to be an optimum part of the whole stroke. If you try to muscle the ball with your wrist youre in trouble (fx in volleying). But even a relaxed wrist can move the racket, adjusting position, and making the last release of power into the ball. Its like cracking a whip, if you do it unrelaxed, and untimed, nothing happens. But when the whole chain of power is done timed and relaxed you get maximum effect. The pros ability to time this, especially Federers, is amazing. And although some might say that it is not benificial for us mortals to emulate this, I find it fascinating. Who doesent want a relaxed, flowing game? As Federer once said, Its about syncronizing yourself to the ball.
I think a lot of people on here are confused at what we mean by a wristy forehand, none of us mean a forehand that the wrist is snapped forward with the wrist muscles... we mean when you relax, generate extremely high swingspeed, and let the wrist lag behind the arm, and it naturally "catches up", which results in you feeling like the ball is on the string for longer, and if done right you get a much more solid controlled feeling on the ball.
Also remember pros hit both ways depending on the situation and type of shot, so don't pull up Federer hitting a forehand with no wrist thinking you've just proved your point, because you havent..
Ever watch mara santangelo (from Italy) play... full on eastern if not continental grip on her forehand side...
No pro uses their wrist in the forehand. It is laid back before, during, and immediately after contact.
And by the way, for the poster who stated mojo as a "top teacher">>> he actually advocates snapping the wrist forward, so he has no clue what he is talking about.
i am getting 50/50 here some say i am an idiot while others agree
In terms of wristy forhands, Magnus Norman and Anke Huber had some extreme grips on their forehands.
Would this qualify?
This is just wrong. The wrist may not snap but it's absolute being "used".
^^^obvuiously it is being used, because it is part of the arm. But it's role is completely passive.
gasquet's forehand is pretty much alllllll wrist. Truely unfortunate, because it's his only weakness in his game.
um that doesnt look wristy because its a photograph and not a video..
james blakes backhand is NOT wristy, federers forehand is very wristy, if you think he gets that crazy racket head speed from just turning his body
youre nuts...try taping your wrists until they are locked and swing your racket, no matter how hard you twist and swing your arm your racket isnt going to
be moving very fast in comparison. i could swing my arm and body half as fast as you but using my wrists i could blow you away with my racket head speed...
lol, if thats true then how would they ever hit a cross court forehand? everyone would be inside out. thats just wrong. they strike they ball as the wrist is being released...
What did the hand say to the ball? Slap!!!
Shouldn't this argument be in the Tennis Tips section?
Its obvious in that picture his wrist is still laid back at contact. Federer has hand and arm rotation just like any top pro. The "wristy" action you see is an illusion when he swings at full speeds.
^^^^ This is exactly what I stated on page 1 and the Video that Str33t posted proves it, as Feds wrist is still layed back after the ball leaves the racquet. It's the follow through that gives the illusion of the wristy shot.
That makes 100% of the population agreeing that you are an idiot! :-D
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