Who here likes rap music?

emcee143

Rookie
I have not found anything to which you refer. Can you provide an example?



"Slam poetry"? What is that? Is that the drivel that often appears in rap about shooting cops, beating up women, being in the drug trade?
I'm sorry, but you are being very close-minded right now. Not all "rap" is centered around the things you listed.
 

JRstriker12

Hall of Fame
I have not found anything to which you refer. Can you provide an example?



"Slam poetry"? What is that? Is that the drivel that often appears in rap about shooting cops, beating up women, being in the drug trade?
Don't feed the troll.
 
I have not found anything to which you refer. Can you provide an example?
If you are looking for sources:

http://www.amazon.com/Jazz-World-Ar...=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1254755772&sr=8-2

"Slam poetry"? What is that? Is that the drivel that often appears in rap about shooting cops, beating up women, being in the drug trade?
Slam poetry's content just before hip-hop concept was named came in the days of major African American civil rights movements. These were mostly messages amongst themselves.

I heard rap verses about cops. What do you know about corrupt cops and what they've experienced? The lyrical content is about an unjust system. Although hip-hop has an alpha male egocentric element to it at times and is sexual in nature, I have never heard anything that has to do with 'beating up' women. What about when Tupac made this line:

And since we all came from a woman
Got our name from a woman and our game from a woman
I wonder why we take from our women
Why we **** our women, do we hate our women?
I think it's time to kill for our women
Time to heal our women, be real to our women
And if we don't we'll have a race of babies
That will hate the ladies, that make the babies
And since a man can't make one
He has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one


Being in the drug trade is a reality. I have heard verses from rappers refering to the drug trade such as them making the mistake, they had to do it to feed their kids, themselves harming their own community and rappers getting saved by a music label contract so they didn't have to be in the drug trade.
 

Ross K

Legend
Is it that bad? I haven't listened to his stuff in a long time but thought this album and the likes of Crack A Bottle, Bagpipes From Bagdad, Same Song & Dance was pretty interesting.

On a different note altogether, though he's not really rap and is from the 'grime' scene, any of you familiar at all with our Dizzee Rascal?
 

JRstriker12

Hall of Fame
Is it that bad? I haven't listened to his stuff in a long time but thought this album and the likes of Crack A Bottle, Bagpipes From Bagdad, Same Song & Dance was pretty interesting.

On a different note altogether, though he's not really rap and is from the 'grime' scene, any of you familiar at all with our Dizzee Rascal?
Yup - I like Dizzee. He's a fun listen. I've heard all of "Boy in da corner," I have't caught much of his newer stuff..... I'll have to download some more of his stuff......

IMHO - "Grime" is just rap over a more break-beat style track.

BTW- Ever listen to the Gilles Peterson show on BBC radio 1? He puts in a good mix of jazz, R&B/ rap/ Grime/ Hip-hop/ House -etc. His pod casts are online too, though they tend more towards the jazz spectrum on average.
 

Ross K

Legend
Yup - I like Dizzee. He's a fun listen. I've heard all of "Boy in da corner," I have't caught much of his newer stuff..... I'll have to download some more of his stuff......

IMHO - "Grime" is just rap over a more break-beat style track.

BTW- Ever listen to the Gilles Peterson show on BBC radio 1? He puts in a good mix of jazz, R&B/ rap/ Grime/ Hip-hop/ House -etc. His pod casts are online too, though they tend more towards the jazz spectrum on average.
Totally agree. Dizzee is a lot of fun. I personally think he's a real innovator and talent - and there sure are a load of imitators in the UK now... I'm curious though, how does his Jamaican/London accent goes down in the States?

TBH, I haven't listened to Gilles Peterson on the radio but that's due to not hugely being a fan of the kind of jazz with which he is largely associated. Maybe I should!
 

dave333

Hall of Fame
I am loving DOA and Empire State of Mind right now.

It isn't really rap, but Love Lockdown by Kanye is pretty sick too.
 

Kedar

New User
I really appreciate rap music, however today, it is just a bunch of crap. Lil Wayne, Soulja Boy, and all those punks are terrible, and its stupid that the average person doesn't like rap because they only look at them, and assume that all rap is like that. I like real rap with meaningful lyrics. Nas, Tupac, Biggie, old Jay-Z, and Lupe Fiasco are my favorite rappers. I do also like Wu-Tang, but I don't know much of their songs.
 

JRstriker12

Hall of Fame
Totally agree. Dizzee is a lot of fun. I personally think he's a real innovator and talent - and there sure are a load of imitators in the UK now... I'm curious though, how does his Jamaican/London accent goes down in the States?

TBH, I haven't listened to Gilles Peterson on the radio but that's due to not hugely being a fan of the kind of jazz with which he is largely associated. Maybe I should!
Some shows (Gilles) are good... some not so good.. varies widely. He did a really sick tribe call quest mix podcast a while ago......
 

tricky

Hall of Fame
Relapse really is terrible, and the production is so subpar I'm hoping Dre left all the good stuff for Detox. I don't have a problem with Em going back to horrorcore, but he sounds tired doing it.

Dizzee's awesome. Came up with a fresh sound that sounded like drum'n'bass with the drums taken out. Scuzzy, nasty, grymy.
 

Ross K

Legend
If Em is so terrible, how about Dre?

I mean, is it not true to say that with his long and successful history he's massively influential in rap (possibly one of the most influential figure there's ever been?) and should be held in the highest regard like such legends as PE, Tupak, Notorious B.I.G., etc, and unlike p-diddy, Kanye, etc?

Or is his talent and influence somewhat exaggerated?

R.
 

tricky

Hall of Fame
If Em is so terrible, how about Dre?
I'm a big fan of Em, but I think most hip hop artists definitely has an athletic peak, and once they lose it, it's just hard for them to get it back. I feel the same about Jay. He can spin Crookyln tales pretty much until his dying day, but his rhymes are going into Lil Wayne nursery rhyme territory.

I didn't like Dre's work on Relapse, but I'm still hoping Detox will be great. Dre's kinda going through what Trent Reznor in the late 90s -- he is in love with the sound of live/organic instruments, real keys, real drums, and so on. Which is cool. But he hasn't really put his own spin on the nu electro-house grooves that, say, Kanye West has done recently. Like on his Chronic 2001 album, he went totally away from G-funk and took in all the influences from Dirty South, Timbaland, etc. and made his own sound. I'd like to see him do the same trick again.

Or is his talent and influence somewhat exaggerated?
Nah, his influence is incalculable. If nothing else, he helped establish a template where hardcore rap and catchy production could coexist, thus keeping cred AND commercial potential.
 

Ross K

Legend
Dizzee's awesome. Came up with a fresh sound that sounded like drum'n'bass with the drums taken out. Scuzzy, nasty, grymy.
Some Dizzee for tricky & whoever...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frN9CoRVWNQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3ZZ7lRsUdI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86Ok0B9EvZg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_VKsq72y4c&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tntRTRkp2GY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b94beDQQtWI&feature=related

It must be said his more recent, commercial stuff (ie, the last track) doesn't sound so much like the 1st track here. He's either a great innovator or he's already sold out! Anyhow, I know it might not be to everybody's taste but here's a flavour of the UK gryme/rap scene of recent years - of whom Dizzee is probably its leading figure.

R.
 
3 Mariah Carey Memoirs Of An Imperfect Angel 168,000 169,000
6 Jay-Z Blueprint 3 89,000 997,000
13 Whitney Houston I Look To You 51,000 672,000
20 Drake So Far Gone 31,000 141,000
22 Black Eyed Peas The E.N.D. 29,000 1,169,00
28 Ghostface Killah Ghostdini: The Wizard Of Poetry In The Emerald City 19,000 19,000
61 Raekwon Only Built 4 Cuban Linx 2 10,000 111,000
74 Playaz Circle Flight 360: The Takeoff 7,900 8,000
126 Skyzoo The Salvation 4,500 4,600
141 Mack 10 Soft White 3,800 3,900
 

ahile02

Rookie
Rap is amazing. Great pump up music for matches/practice.

I'll take just about anything except country. I even like some classical from time to time.
 
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ThaWarkid

Guest
I really appreciate rap music, however today, it is just a bunch of crap. Lil Wayne, Soulja Boy, and all those punks are terrible, and its stupid that the average person doesn't like rap because they only look at them, and assume that all rap is like that. I like real rap with meaningful lyrics. Nas, Tupac, Biggie, old Jay-Z, and Lupe Fiasco are my favorite rappers. I do also like Wu-Tang, but I don't know much of their songs.
i agree! i also listen to eminem
 

looseswing

Professional
how about kid cudi...his first mixtape was straight fire. i havent heard the cd yet so i cant comment on that.
 

SempreSami

Hall of Fame
I appreciate the older stuff like Grandmasta Flash, Public Enemy, Run DMC etc. Not too keen on the newer artists, but Example is pretty good IMO.
 

Ross K

Legend
I appreciate the older stuff like Grandmasta Flash, Public Enemy, Run DMC etc. Not too keen on the newer artists, but Example is pretty good IMO.
Yep. No doubt about it... PE... KRS-1... Eric B & Rakim... Grandmaster Flash & Africa Bambatta (The Message and Planet Rock being 2 of the greatest songs ever in this old skool vein imo)... Lakim Shabbazz... NWA... I can't remember them all now!... but, yeah, I love all that older stuff too.

And generally I liked the music all the way through to around the end of the 1990's and Biggy and Dre's The Chronic. After which, the combined likes of, I don't know, Nellie (dear oh dear!), 50 cent, Kanye, etc, lost my interest.

I'm open to what ppl think is the good new stuff however (have been checking out some of the recommendations on this thread actually.)

R.
 

skyzoo

Banned
Who here has had a listen to the new People under the stairs. A really solid Mixtape from them. (PUTS- Carried Away)
 

Blinkism

Legend
What's good is that Tribe Called Quest and Pharcyde stuff.

There's an album by Nas I listened to in high school that is pretty jazzy (illmatic I think it was).

I like rap and hip-hop with a good jazz-influenced beat...

No one does that anymore so you have to look into the older kind of stuff.

Also, hiphop mixed with other genres is good- with rock or reggae.

Good bands like that are Sublime and 311.
 

Ross K

Legend
For some reason I've been listening to a lot of this recently... for ppl who remember/like their West Coast 90's g hip hop sounds!!!...

Ladies and gentlemen, the one, the only, the late, great Eazy E!...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDpIW8jt0v0&feature=related

What a tune!...

Second up on the early '90's G tip!... I give you Dre and Snoop (when DD was "STILL" good - according to some!)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG_qcud1ShM

Lastly, moving forwards and combining some great talents - the game, eazy and 2pac...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs1xHPU7WwA

Anyone else got some older rap stuff they want to post up?

R.
 
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