Who hits the bigger ball overall: Sinner or Wawrinka?

Who hits a bigger ball overall: Sinner or Wawrinka?

  • Sinner

    Votes: 23 32.4%

  • Wawrinka

    Votes: 48 67.6%
  • Total voters
    71
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Sinner hits with more topspin while Wawrinka is flatter. Both hit bombs from both sides. Who hits overall a bigger ball overall forehand and backhand both considered Sinner or Wawrinka?

I pick Sinner despite him looking much skinnier as he puts the modern racquet technology to get use. Sinner for example has no problem overpowering Nadal from the back of the court whereas Wawrinka can easily be overwhelmed by Nadal especially when going to his backhand.
 
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we haven't seen what sinner can really do, its way to early but in his current form theres no doubt that prime wawrinka hit a way bigger ball. wawrinka hit with monstrous pace, consistency, aggression and spin. He was one of the few players with such a strong offensive game that he could crack through novaks defense just with raw power on both wings. on the backhand wawrinka ofc on the forehand i will also give it to wawrinka.
But cmon guys why are we comparing a 3 slam champ who played against the big 4 to win those, and someone who is really good but also very young.
 
Wawrinka puts more weight because of the extra spin and it's a better shotmaker.
Sinner might have the higher average groundies speed.
 
Just need a single thread for all these takes -- "zill's musings" or whatever.

Wawrinka is the answer here.
 
fundrazer said:
For some reason you get obsessed with one player and create dozens of threads on them. First it was Krajicek's serve, now a bunch of Sinner posts.

Shapo may be hitting bigger than both at this point. Thiem maybe was at one point also.
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Worth mentioning that hitting hard and hitting big aren't always the same thing. Thiem hits hard but he doesn't always hit big (in other words, he used to hit a hard heavy ball but without much aggression or placement). Shapo on the other hand hits as big as you can get.
 
King No1e said:
Worth mentioning that hitting hard and hitting big aren't always the same thing. Thiem hits hard but he doesn't always hit big (in other words, he used to hit a hard heavy ball but without much aggression or placement). Shapo on the other hand hits as big as you can get.
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I get what you're saying. Similar to the discussion we folks sometimes have with pace compared to weight of shot.
 
Depends on what sport they're playing. A football is a bigger ball than table football/foosball one, a volleyball bigger than a ping-pong one and so on...it's all about choosing the right sport if you want to hit the bigger ball.
 
When the original post was created I would have said Wawa, now it’s Sinner.

I quite liked Wawrinka, but really wished he retired, just hate to see past champs like him slugging it out on tour à la Hewitt, Murray and others. It’s always best to hang up the racquet when on top, how people will mostly remember you.
 
The Sinner said:
When the original post was created I would have said Wawa, now it’s Sinner.

I quite liked Wawrinka, but really wished he retired, just hate to see past champs like him slugging it out on tour à la Hewitt, Murray and others. It’s always best to hang up the racquet when on top, how people will mostly remember you.
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The players you mentioned, just does not care about what others think. They are love to play tennis and that is why they are keep going. Even if their reputation are breaking down.
 
Since Sinner mostly has 1 speed, standing on baseline, I would assume his average rally ball is faster than Wawrinka now. But I need to see proof. If there was any place where I could see average fh and average bh speed for top 50, it would be nice.
 
Interesting what you mention about Sinner’s spin rate. Just by eye I would’ve assumed that Wawrinka hit the heavier ball on both sides. They are both colossal ball-strikers, though.

Sinner I would say has a slight advantage in being able to go massive on every ball while needing slightly less preparation time on the forehand and on return.

I love seeing Stan’s stack and load technique on the forehand. He needs a lot of preparation time but it is fantastic to see him coil up and explode through the shot with that arm extension.
 
nachiket nolefam said:
Since Sinner mostly has 1 speed, standing on baseline, I would assume his average rally ball is faster than Wawrinka now. But I need to see proof. If there was any place where I could see average fh and average bh speed for top 50, it would be nice.
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There are two interesting stats that are getting used a lot at the moment “average spin rate” and “average ball speed”. You’re right that stats like these favour one pace players who are generally hitting the same trajectory or speed and not going under a high median. Some of the commentators have been confusing these averages with a maximum spin rate / maximum ball speed which somewhat confuses things.

I agree it would be nice to have an easily accessible top and average spin / rpm rate and top and average ball speed / stats. The old net clearance / ball trajectory stats used to be good to look at and you still see those sometimes at the majors.
 
Subway Tennis said:
Interesting what you mention about Sinner’s spin rate. Just by eye I would’ve assumed that Wawrinka hit the heavier ball on both sides. They are both colossal ball-strikers, though.

Sinner I would say has a slight advantage in being able to go massive on every ball while needing slightly less preparation time on the forehand and on return.

I love seeing Stan’s stack and load technique on the forehand. He needs a lot of preparation time but it is fantastic to see him coil up and explode through the shot with that arm extension.
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The thing is, Wawrinka was going toe-to-toe with prime Djokovic & even got the slam W 4 times with his power while Sinner can't even beat oldovic
 
Subway Tennis said:
There are two interesting stats that are getting used a lot at the moment “average spin rate” and “average ball speed”. You’re right that stats like these favour one pace players who are generally hitting the same trajectory or speed and not going under a high median. Some of the commentators have been confusing these averages with a maximum spin rate / maximum ball speed which somewhat confuses things.

I agree it would be nice to have an easily accessible top and average spin / rpm rate and top and average ball speed / stats. The old net clearance / ball trajectory stats used to be good to look at and you still see those sometimes at the majors.
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Excellent points worth repeating.

Against Tiafoe it was also clear that Sinner's pressure is a combination of taking it early with little preparation and deliver a great deal of weight form both wings. For almost all of the players it is futile to go tit for tat against his strengths.

Wawrinka coiling up a one hander down the line is tennis at its striking peak.
 
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