Roddick by some distance.
Fed said he never really had trouble with retuning Roddick’s serve though??
Fed said he never really had trouble with retuning Roddick’s serve though??
The thing that annoys me is Roddicks grunt.
I just found out that 5'7 tall Yoshito Nishioka is the 18th player with most points won on the second serve since data was collected (around 1991).
Nishioka 53.57%
Karlovic 53.32%
Anderson 53.03%
Kyrgios 53.03%
J. Johansson 52.87%
Proof that this is a weak era since short people = inferior according to you right?I just found out that 5'7 tall Yoshito Nishioka is the 18th player with most points won on the second serve since data was collected (around 1991).
Nishioka 53.57%
Karlovic 53.32%
Anderson 53.03%
Kyrgios 53.03%
J. Johansson 52.87%
Understandable as he's 5'7.Nishioka doesn't win a lot with the first serve though.
I just found out that 5'7 tall Yoshito Nishioka is the 18th player with most points won on the second serve since data was collected (around 1991)....
Kyrgoat also takes clay less seriously than RoddickKyrgios’ stats are a bit skewed because he doesn’t go deep at tournaments consistently
Roddick rarely exited tournaments early and was constantly going up against top 10/20 players his entire career
Kyrgios’ stats are a bit skewed because he doesn’t go deep at tournaments consistently
Roddick rarely exited tournaments early and was constantly going up against top 10/20 players his entire career
When you get to the level that they're at there's not much separating top guys serves. They're both unbreakable players when their 1st serves are landing in at 135-140mph. It's really splitting hairs to try and compare those 2 shots.
The clear difference here is in their 2nd serves. Andy has a wayyyy better 2nd serve kicker so he doesn't have to risk double-faulting constantly like Nick does.
Dat 2. 56.0% vs. 53.0%, which is a pretty sizable margin esp for 2nd-serve pts won.
But then Pete stands at a mere 52.6%, which even after accounting for the double counting of DFs would fall short of A-Rod's 56%. One would have to be a complete ignoramus to think that # is an accurate snapshot of Pistol's vaunted 2nd serve, which probably more than anything else makes him the greatest server of the Open Era, and quite possibly ever.
Dat 2. 56.0% vs. 53.0%, which is a pretty sizable margin esp for 2nd-serve pts won.
But then Pete stands at a mere 52.6%, which even after accounting for the double counting of DFs would fall short of A-Rod's 56%. One would have to be a complete ignoramus to think that # is an accurate snapshot of Pistol's vaunted 2nd serve, which probably more than anything else makes him the greatest server of the Open Era, and quite possibly ever.
Even accounting for increasing SPW %, Roddick's 2nd serve may well have been slightlt more effective than Pete's overall career-wise - doesn't seem strange at all. We know where Sampras truly shines is the ability to execute his serve, both first and second, as well or even better than usual against the topmost opponents. That's the PETE gear no one else has had on serve, other than Pancho if only we had stats to tell, oh well.
Pete's lower percentage on second serves is probably influenced by how many times he approached behind it, don't think it was ever the percentage play even on grass.
That's the extra gear I'm talking about. I still think Goran, Ivo and several other guys could be more dangerous on a given day, but who would you back in a Slam final against ATGs/GOATs where your nerves are running high and you need more than sheer pace or spin to throw your opponents off balance? And they knew they'd be facing two 1st serves most of the match. That lack of breathing room is the key here. It was more than an ATG shot, an almost psychological weapon not unlike the slam dunk that said "I'm Pete Sampras and you're not!"
Exactly and its was partly because Fed was in Andy's head tooMan, tough pick.
I give Nick the nod on the 1st serve. I disagree a bit with some others on Nick’s disguise. In particular, his serve on the ad side seems pretty readable - he tosses noticeably to the right when he serves T. The problem i think is he hits it so quickly out of his hand, and he hits his spot so well that it often doesn’t matter if the toss gives it away. Looks like he’s much tougher to read on the deuce side, though. Indeed, Roddick had a very fast and accurate first serve as well. But I think Kyrgios is quite a bit better at hitting spots precisely, than Roddick was. That video clip above is a good example - if Roddick hit his spot there, that serve probably doesn’t come back. 140mph a foot from the sideline is returnable for Fed (and some others). 140mph on the sideline, forget it.
I would give Roddick the nod on the second serve, by a very wide margin. Nick either rolls in a slow, hanging kick, or insanely goes for another first serve. Roddick’s second serve was much faster and heavier, but at the same time hit with more margin. Seems like Roddick double faulted a lot less than Kyrgios does.
Overall, if I had a gun to my head, I’d pick Roddick. Why? If nothing else, Kyrgios is a lunatic on court, who by his own admission doesn’t take his occupation seriously. Even if he’s interested in playing (which seems a rare occurrence in and of itself) he hardly ever plays percentages. Once in a blue moon, that works out for him. Most of the time it doesn’t. Roddick was unquestionably a much more consistent performer than Nick is (at least so far, and I’m not holding my breath that will change).