Who is an overall better tennis player Roddick or Wawrinka?

Who is an overall better tennis player Roddick or Wawrinka?

  • Roddick

    Votes: 34 26.8%
  • Wawrinka

    Votes: 93 73.2%

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Deleted member 771911

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I think it's an interesting question.
Roddick came out of the gate firing while Wawrinka took a lot longer to warm up.
I think Roddick had the greater strengths, but Wawrinka developed his game better and ended up with a better career as a result.
So, I'm going with Stan.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Erm no wasn't. Andy's serve otoh...
Stan Auz Open run 37.0% return, 53.1% points won
Roddick 2010, 40.5% return, 55.8% points wono_O
Stan 2-15 RG 41.2%. 55.2% tp
Roddick 2009 39.4%,,55.1% points won

Roddick 2003 US open 39.0%, 56.3%
Wawa 2016 US Open 38.8%, 53.4% points won

Conclusion; Stan only won slams because Nole his little beach.:eek:
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Roddick was better because he was more consistent, year after year. Stan tanked a lot of matches in his career and oftentimes didn’t show up mentally in smaller events. Roddick did.

Sure, Stan had a higher peak, but Stanimal mode showed up very rarely.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Like clockwork.

Anyway, matchups and timing obfuscate the reality that they are quite comparable.
Wawrinka dealt with significantly stronger competition. Timing was certainly not on his favour.

2013 AO Djokovic
2013 RG Nadal
2013 UO Murray, Djokovic
2014 AO Djokovic, Nadal
2014 WI Federer
2015 AO Djokovic
2015 RG Federer, Djokovic
2015 UO Federer
2016 RG Murray
2016 UO Djokovic
2017 AO Federer
2017 RG Murray, Nadal
 

Fabresque

Hall of Fame
Roddick without Fed probably would’ve been ahead of Jim Courier in slams and on a par with Stefan Edberg. But then again we have to consider how Wawrinka won 3 slams in the same era as the 3 greatest players of all time, not to mention winning all 3 while playing Djokovic in 2 finals and Nadal in the other.

I’d probably say Roddick due to overall consistency and his poor luck when his best years coincided with the GOAT’s. But if it’s playing at their absolute best 1v1, I’d take Wawrinka everywhere except grass.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Stan Auz Open run 37.0% return, 53.1% points won
Roddick 2010, 40.5% return, 55.8% points wono_O
Stan 2-15 RG 41.2%. 55.2% tp
Roddick 2009 39.4%,,55.1% points won

Roddick 2003 US open 39.0%, 56.3%
Wawa 2016 US Open 38.8%, 53.4% points won

Conclusion; Stan only won slams because Nole his little beach.:eek:
If we look at just the stats Roddick actually had decent return numbers in his best runs (considering his serve) and at his peak. Both guys in their peak seasons were at roughly 20-23% of return games won on HC, difference is that Roddick had a much better serve. Wawrinka obviously has a much better return game on clay, Roddick does better on grass IIRC. Just seen that slam wise Roddick actually won 35% of his return games in 2004 but somehow lost in both QF's :rolleyes:

As it stands from watching them play neither guy were great returners, Wawrinka certainly doesn't have that as a strength of his to hold over Roddick lol.
 
Wawrinka dealt with significantly stronger competition. Timing was certainly not on his favour.

2013 AO Djokovic
2013 RG Nadal
2013 UO Murray, Djokovic
2014 AO Djokovic, Nadal
2014 WI Federer
2015 AO Djokovic
2015 RG Federer, Wawrinka
2015 UO Federer
2016 RG Murray
2016 UO Djokovic
2017 AO Federer
2017 RG Murray, Nadal
Most of those are worse than the incarnations of Federer that stopped Roddick at Wimbledon and the US Open, and where Wawrinka lost the match we've got little to talk about.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Roddick without Fed probably would’ve been ahead of Jim Courier in slams and on a par with Stefan Edberg. But then again we have to consider how Wawrinka won 3 slams in the same era as the 3 greatest players of all time, not to mention winning all 3 while playing Djokovic in 2 finals and Nadal in the other.

I’d probably say Roddick due to overall consistency and his poor luck when his best years coincided with the GOAT’s. But if it’s playing at their absolute best 1v1, I’d take Wawrinka everywhere except grass.
roddick's best beats waw's at USO or medium-fast HC as well.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Slam matches vs top5 ranked Big4:

Wawrinka 24
Roddick 12

It's cute that Fed fans downplay Wawrinka's achievements saying he was lucky.
 

The Guru

Hall of Fame
I'd call it a wash essentially. Roddick much more consistent but Wawrinka produced higher levels on the biggest stages. Roddick's out of slam career carries him here. Gun to my head I think I'd give it to Roddick.
 

Ray Mercer

Hall of Fame
Yeah I would go with Roddick. Roddick was stopped a lot by Federer at his best. Wawrinka wouldn’t have any majors if he ran into a peak Federer instead of a one dimensional Djokovic who he matches up well against. Roddick at his best on fast courts is extremely difficult to beat. I do find Wawrinka to have the more entertaining game to watch.
 

Ray Mercer

Hall of Fame
Roddick without Fed probably would’ve been ahead of Jim Courier in slams and on a par with Stefan Edberg. But then again we have to consider how Wawrinka won 3 slams in the same era as the 3 greatest players of all time, not to mention winning all 3 while playing Djokovic in 2 finals and Nadal in the other.

I’d probably say Roddick due to overall consistency and his poor luck when his best years coincided with the GOAT’s. But if it’s playing at their absolute best 1v1, I’d take Wawrinka everywhere except grass.
I would also take Roddick on fast hardcourt. Wawrinka has a terrible service return and would not have much luck with Roddick’s bombs. Roddick would be able to rush him.
 

The Guru

Hall of Fame
Yeah I would go with Roddick. Roddick was stopped a lot by Federer at his best. Wawrinka wouldn’t have any majors if he ran into a peak Federer instead of a one dimensional Djokovic who he matches up well against. Roddick at his best on fast courts is extremely difficult to beat. I do find Wawrinka to have the more entertaining game to watch.
Roddick would probably have no slams in Wawrinka's place. This is an unfair argument against both guys. Better just to evaluate their levels and their accomplishment.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Roddick on the 2012 Olympics loss to Djokovic:

“That was one of the first times where I was thinking that this game was a little bit different to what I am used to. These guys are kind of from another planet. That one (match) hit home for me, the way he played was eye-opening.”
 
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RS

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Roddick on the 2012 Olympics loss to Djokovic:

“That was one of the first times where I was thinking that this game was a little bit different to what I am used to. These guys are kind of from another planet. That one (match) hit home for me, the way he played was eye-opening.”

He himself said that the game of peak Big4 was too much for him.
A shell of himself Hewitt nearly beat Nole in Oly 12 and took a set of Djokovic in AO 12.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Roddick would probably have no slams in Wawrinka's place. This is an unfair argument against both guys. Better just to evaluate their levels and their accomplishment.
LOL. Roddick would've definitely beaten Djokovic of USO 16 to win it. (and USO 13 SF as well, final vs Nadal would be a battle though). he'd have his chances in USO 14, 15 as well.
and a Wimbledon if his prime years included 13-16.
 
I'd call it a wash essentially. Roddick much more consistent but Wawrinka produced higher levels on the biggest stages. Roddick's out of slam career carries him here. Gun to my head I think I'd give it to Roddick.
3>1. A Three Slam winner weaker tennis player than an One Slam Wonder. Hilarious...
 

The Guru

Hall of Fame
LOL. Roddick would've definitely beaten Djokovic of USO 16. (and USO 13 as well, final vs Nadal would be a battle though)
and a Wimbledon if his prime years included 13-16.
Lol zero chance a 31 year old Roddick beats Novak no matter how bad he was in that final. What I meant to say was that if they traded birthdays if that wasn't clear. Also, no Roddick has a chance against 13 Nadal. That's a complete troll claim.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Lol zero chance a 31 year old Roddick beats Novak no matter how bad he was in that final. What I meant to say was that if they traded birthdays if that wasn't clear.
I meant if Roddick was in his prime in USO 16, obviously

Also, no Roddick has a chance against 13 Nadal. That's a complete troll claim.
no, what is trolling is saying Roddick has no chance against 13 USO final Nadal.
Nadal's form had tapered off by the time of USO 2013 SF and F. 2nd set and 3rd set vs djoko were below par.
Roddick blasted nadal off court in dubai 08 for instance. matches up clearly better vs nadal & djokovic than he does vs federer.
If he could play as well as he did vs fed in USO 07 (and middle 2 sets of USO 06) , he could beat nadal of USO 13 as well.

Just because your guy Djokovic played sh*te in sets 1 and 4 and choked set3 (with nadal being clutch), don't think Roddick wouldn't have a chance.
 

Ray Mercer

Hall of Fame
Lol zero chance a 31 year old Roddick beats Novak no matter how bad he was in that final. What I meant to say was that if they traded birthdays if that wasn't clear. Also, no Roddick has a chance against 13 Nadal. That's a complete troll claim.
A prime 2004 Roddick dropping 145mph bombs would take out that Djokovic on fast hard no question.
 

The Guru

Hall of Fame
I meant if Roddick was in his prime in USO 16, obviously



no, what is trolling is saying Roddick has no chance against 13 USO final Nadal.
Nadal's form had tapered off by the time of USO 2013 SF and F. 2nd set and 3rd set vs djoko were below par.
Roddick blasted nadal off court in dubai 08 for instance. matches up clearly better vs nadal & djokovic than he does vs federer.
If he could play as well as he did vs fed in USO 07 (and middle 2 sets of USO 06) , he could beat nadal of USO 13 as well.

Just because your guy Djokovic played sh*te in sets 1 and 4 and choked set3 (with nadal being clutch), don't think Roddick wouldn't have a chance.
If Roddick was Stan's age he would be 31 against Djokovic as Stan was. If Roddick was Stan's age he'd likely have 0 slams.

I just can't with your Nadal take. Roddick doesn't have a USO win on the level of 2013 USO Wawrinka. Let alone a prime Djokovic or Nadal at his best. Just an absolutely asinine claim.
 

The Guru

Hall of Fame
Come on he lost a 5 setter on a faster court to a guy who also drops 150 mph bombs.
I've learned today that Djokovic would be no match against the might of 04 Roddick and Johansson. He would also surely be clapped by Hewitt (who wrecked Johansson) and like triple bagelled by Federer. Good stuff.
 
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abmk

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If Roddick was Stan's age he would be 31 against Djokovic as Stan was. If Roddick was Stan's age he'd likely have 0 slams.
If Roddick was stan's age, his prime would start from 2006, not 2003.

Wim 04 roddick - would run Wim 07 fed very close
USO 04 roddick - may not meet someone like JJ and would've had a better shot vs fed of USO 07 SF/F more so than the QF fed whom he obviously faced
USO 07 roddick - would be a tight battle b/w him and USO 10 nadal. I'd give nadal the edge, but it'd be close
Wim 09 roddick - might actually overcome Wim 12 fed.

So yeah, more than a good chance, he wins one slam even in this case.

But the problem with your supposition is that you have different prime years for Roddick/Stan. which makes it an unfair comparision.

That's why its better to take a case where prime years co-incide.

I just can't with your Nadal take. Roddick doesn't have a USO win on the level of 2013 USO Wawrinka. Let alone a prime Djokovic or Nadal at his best. Just an absolutely asinine claim.
LOL, what ?
Roddick's prime at USO > wawrinka's at USO.

Roddick went through a draw of Henman, Ljubicic, Nalbandian, Nalby and Ferrero to win his USO 03.
There's a good chance wawr loses to either Henman, Ljubicic in early rounds unlike Roddick.

you can keep deluding yourself about USO 13 nadal and keep bigging up for your guy Djokovic.
But reality is just because your guy Djokovic played sh*te in sets 1 and 4 and choked set3 (with nadal being clutch), don't think Roddick wouldn't have a chance.
 

Ray Mercer

Hall of Fame
Roddick has a good head to head with a younger Djokovic. Surely Roddick at his best would have a good chance of winning against Djokovic in poor form.
 

The Guru

Hall of Fame
If Roddick was stan's age, his prime would start from 2006, not 2003.

Wim 04 roddick - would run Wim 07 fed very close
USO 04 roddick - may not meet someone like JJ and would've had a better shot vs fed of USO 07 SF/F more so than the QF fed whom he obviously faced
USO 07 roddick - would be a tight battle b/w him and USO 10 nadal. I'd give nadal the edge, but it'd be close
Wim 09 roddick - might actually overcome Wim 12 fed.

So yeah, more than a good chance, he wins one slam even in this case.

But the problem with your supposition is that you have different prime years for Roddick/Stan. which makes it an unfair comparision.

That's why its better to take a case where prime years co-incide.



LOL, what ?
Roddick's prime at USO > wawrinka's at USO.

Roddick went through a draw of Henman, Ljubicic, Nalbandian, Nalby and Ferrero to win his USO 03.
There's a good chance wawr loses to either Henman, Ljubicic in early rounds unlike Roddick.

you can keep deluding yourself about USO 13 nadal and keep bigging up for your guy Djokovic.
But reality is just because your guy Djokovic played sh*te in sets 1 and 4 and choked set3 (with nadal being clutch), don't think Roddick wouldn't have a chance.
Roddick never beat someone as good as Wawrinka at the USO. Most people think his best win is versus a Nalbandian who was playing one armed and without a serve. Roddick has never beaten anyone at Wawrinka's level in general in a HC slam. There is zero proof that he can beat top competition at HC slams. The closest he came to beating anyone relevant was actually at the 04 AO when he lost to Safin and you're out here giving him a 50/50 chance against the Big 3. Just ridiculous. 07 Roddick is close with 10 Nadal :-D. 07 Fed loses to 10 Nadal lmfao. You're so delusional it's insane.

Also a good Stan is definitely the favorite at the USO 03.
 

Bertie B

Professional
People keep overrating Roddick when he had more or less Juan Carlos Ferrero's career.
I don't get it. Is it because he was the last American hope?
Roddick when committed, got through to play Federer.

Wawrinka when playing well was liable to lose to Murray, Fed, or Gasquet before he could reach his target.
 

RS

G.O.A.T.
I mean guy basically won't admit Roddick matches up clearly better vs Nadal and Djokovic and makes excuses like this
"Roddick's record is only better vs Djokodal because he caught them as they were still developing and in their worst years."

won't admit prime roddick would beat 2016 USO djokovic just like stan did and instead brings in 31 year old roddick into the convo.

hard to not call that delusionally biased.
Muzza favoured over Goatdick more than Nadalovic in a hypothetical matchup peak for peak off clay due to the matchup then? Shifting goalposts I know but the formula is same even though to a lesser degree if you say Roddick has a better chance vs Nadalovic than Fed due to the matchup.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Muzza favoured over Goatdick more than Nadalovic in a hypothetical matchup off clay due to the matchup then? Shifting goalposts I know but the formula is same if you say Roddick has a better chance vs Nadalovic than Fed due to the matchup.
Firstly Murray is not an ATG. Not exactly a similar comparision.
But in Bo3, you could argue that. (it'd be atleast close)
Bo5 in a slam is another thing. Nadal/Djokovic are mentally tougher and better equiped than Murray.
 
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Firstly Murray is not an ATG. Not exactly a similar comparision.
But in Bo3, you could argue that. (it'd be atleast close)
Bo5 in a slam is another thing. Nadal/Djokovic are mentally tougher and better equiped than Murray.
It was a half sarcastic :D

It is interesting that Djokovic has a losing H2H with him Murray destroys him even though Djokovic no less close to his prime. Seems to read the Roddick serve better as well.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
It was a half sarcastic :D

It is interesting that Djokovic has a losing H2H with him Murray destroys him even though Djokovic no less close to his prime. Seems to read the Roddick serve better as well.
yeah, Murray read and handled the Roddick serve clearly better than djokovic or nadal did.
 

FD3S

Hall of Fame
I love Roddick, but it's hard not to say Wawrinka. IMO he had a lot more natural talent for tennis than Roddick (even taking his psyche and inconsistency into account), although I'll also say that between the pair Andy made far, far better use of what he had.

I've learned today that Djokovic would be no match against the might of 04 Roddick and Johansson. He would also surely be clapped by Hewitt (who wrecked Johansson) and like triple bagelled by Federer. Good stuff.
Even a defensive stalwart like Djokovic would be vulnerable to someone like a zoning Johansson. It doesn't matter who you are or how high you rank in the GOAT debate, if you run into a guy that rips huge groundies and blasts big serves on a very fast court (which 2004 Decoturf was) and he's keeping most of them in? You're gonna be in for a bad time.

Also, it's worth noting Pim Pim didn't play nearly as well against Hewitt as he did Roddick.
 
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a10best

Hall of Fame
Peak Stan played better against Rafa and Djokovic. Peak Andy didn't.
Fed owned both at their peaks.
----- Slam Wins -|- Finalist -|- Semis
Stan --------- 3 ----- 1 ----------- 5
Andy ------- 1 ------ 4 ---------- 5

But Andy has Masters 1000 5 titles, 4 runners-up. Wawrinka none :(
 
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