Who is an overall better tennis player Roddick or Wawrinka?

Who is an overall better tennis player Roddick or Wawrinka?

  • Roddick

    Votes: 40 26.3%

  • Wawrinka

    Votes: 112 73.7%
  • Total voters
    152
The Guru said:
Roddick would probably have no slams in Wawrinka's place. This is an unfair argument against both guys. Better just to evaluate their levels and their accomplishment.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that. I could see Roddick beating 2016 USO Djokovic if he brings a great level.
 
Wawrinka won his 3 major titles against Djokovic and Nadal, 2 GOAT candidates, when they were in top2 and prohibitive favorites against him. Roddick won his lone major against JC Ferrero.

And there were people disagreeing with me when I said Wawrinka had a much higher ceiling!
 
Easily Roddick.

Wawrinka really shouldn't have any slams, for there is nothing about his game that should be problematic for a peak/prime Nole. But for reasons only Djokovic can explain...
 
mike danny said:
2011 Roddick was one foot in retirement though.
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Roddick just made the final at a tuneup tournament before AO. He was the No 8 seed at AO and that meeting was a 4th round so it’s not like Andy was playing bad stuff up until that point. Andy was still only 29 years old then. So he lost to Stan on the longevity front too
 
Waterwater said:
Roddick just made the final at a tuneup tournament before AO. He was the No 8 seed at AO and that meeting was a 4th round so it’s not like Andy was playing bad stuff up until that point. Andy was still only 29 years old then. So he lost to Stan on the longevity front too
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Post 2010 Sunshine Double was the beginning of the end for Roddick.

And besides, Stan may have played until a later age than Roddick, but Roddick was a top player for most of his 20's unlike Stan. That's why Stan even has the greater longevity.
 
ScentOfDefeat said:
People keep overrating Roddick when he had more or less Juan Carlos Ferrero's career.
I don't get it. Is it because he was the last American hope?
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Almost certainly. Is there truth to it? Hmmm.....

Here's a comparison of 6 (as yet un-named) players to compare career stats. Roddick is one of them. They're all pretty similar, remarkably. ]\

NameOverall Record WOverall Record LWinning %TitlesNumber of GS QF/SF/FNumber of GS SF/FNumber of GS FinalsYear End Final SF/FYear End Finals AppearenceYear End Final VictoriesATP Master 1000 FinalsATP Masters 1000 Victories
Player A61221374.18%321910500095
Player B66231267.97%34138443097
Player C43917371.73%22136211041
Player D57531964.32%2083231063
Player E53423069.90%261183631104
Player F47926264.64%1696321064
 
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Apparently Wawrinka would cruise through a draw of Henman, Ljubicic (in early rounds), Nalby, Ferrero at the USO while he was facing MP vs Evans in USO 16.
Apparently Roddick at USO is no better than Stan even though Roddick plays peak Federer close in USO 07 and has 2 close sets in USO 06 s peak federer (taking a set), while Stan gets destroyed by just a well playing Federer in USO 15 (nowhere close to his peak).
Apparently one can't admit prime Roddick would beat Djokovic USO 16, have to bring in 31 year old Roddick for 2016.
Apparently Djokovic and Nadal would have similar records vs Roddick as Federer did - only issue was timing. Never mind Roddick straight up beat Nadal once each in two of his best years 08,10, while Roddick had zero wins in federer's best years from 2004-07. also roddick straight up blasted djokovic off court in dubai 08 (just after djoko's AO 08 win). there's no matchup difference folks, none.
Apparently Roddick-Djokovic h2h would go the same way as Tsonga-Djokovic h2h because Roddick is just like Tsonga - not a slam winner, not a world #1, just as volatile, oh wait.
Apparently Djokovic 09 ~ Nadal 15 though Djokovic won 80 matches in 09, had a great trio of matches vs Nadal on clay, went 3-2 vs fed, played a pretty good USO, won Paris etc.

Because "LOGIC"
 
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SonnyT said:
Wawrinka won his 3 major titles against Djokovic and Nadal, 2 GOAT candidates, when they were in top2 and prohibitive favorites against him. Roddick won his lone major against JC Ferrero.

And there were people disagreeing with me when I said Wawrinka had a much higher ceiling!
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prime Roddick would've easily beat Djokovic of USO 16 as well.
Roddick didn't just face Ferrero in USO 03. In early rounds, he had Henman, Ljubicic. Wawrinka was down MP vs Evans in 3rd round in USO 16.
Roddick also had to face Nalby in the semi (Nalby who had beaten federer in the 4th round)

Wawrinka has a higher ceiling on slow HCs and clay (AO/RG), while Roddick has higher ceiling on medium-fast to fast HC and grass (Wimbledon/USO)
Just because your guy gets rolled over by Stan in slams doesn't mean the above isn't true.
 
Mike Sams said:
How can Stan be overrated considering he's beaten Djokovic 4 times in Slams?
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The poll is very wide in his favour. And he doesn’t do so well vs Fedal or Djokovic outside slams even though 4-4 vs Djoker is something to be highly impressive.
 
RS said:
The poll is very wide in his favour. And he doesn’t do so well vs Fedal or Djokovic outside slams even though 4-4 vs Djoker is something to be highly impressive.
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Wait a minute! I didn't even mention yet that Stan has won 3 Grand Slams. :-D
And if not for Federer in the SF, he probably would've gone and thrashed Djokovic in the 2015 US Open final. So it should be Stan having 4 Grand Slams to his name.
 
Mike Sams said:
Wait a minute! I didn't even mention yet that Stan has won 3 Grand Slams. :-D
And if not for Federer in the SF, he probably would've gone and thrashed Djokovic in the 2015 US Open final. So it should be Stan having 4 Grand Slams to his name.
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Djokovic USO 15 >> Djokovic USO 16 when Stan beat him imo. I would pick Djokovic in 4/5. Stan was lesser than in RG anyway.

If you use that logic Roddick could have won Wim 03/04 as well.
 
Tostao80 said:
Pretty sure Stan also faced someone called Rafa Nadal. And didn't Stan also face Federer himself?
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I'm referring to who Stan faced in the slam finals he won. He won one vs Nadal, yes. But the reason he won his other two was that he faced Novak Djokovic, who simply couldn't contain the Stanimal - as opposed to Federer, who kept Roddick at bay in 4 slam finals.
 
Wawrinka played more matches than Roddick

against Federer: 26 vs 24
against Djokovic: 25 vs 9
against Nadal: 22 vs 10
against Murray: 20 vs 12

Total: 93 vs 55

Where does this belief that he had it easier and he doesn't deserve his 3 slams come from? :(
 
Lew II said:
Wawrinka played more matches than Roddick

against Federer: 26 vs 24
against Djokovic: 25 vs 9
against Nadal: 22 vs 10
against Murray: 20 vs 12

Total: 93 vs 55

Where does this belief that he had it easier and he doesn't deserve his 3 slams come from? :(
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Roddick has most likely played a better Federer but the rest is correct.
 
Most matches played against Big4:

Del Potro 72/611 (11.8%)
Wawrinka 93/825 (11.3%)
Tsonga 71/687 (10.3%)
Berdych 95/979 (9.7%)
Raonic 47/522 (9.0%)
Nishikori 53/596 (8.9%)
Dimitrov 42/524 (8.2%)
Thiem 36/439 (8.2%)
Ferrer 90/1111 (8.1%)
...
Roddick 55/822 (6.7%)

poor baby Roddick he had it so tough :cry:
 
Tostao80 said:
Pretty sure Stan also faced someone called Rafa Nadal. And didn't Stan also face Federer himself?
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But to get to that Rafa, Stan went through Djokovic.

So Djokovic being a good match-up for Stan did help Stan win his 3 slams.

That's to his credit though. Just saying that not all Big 3 are created equal on terms of match-ups.
 
For now going with Stan. A 2 slam difference is too much to overcome.

If only Roddick won 2009 Wimb, that would probably be a greater slam win than any of Stan's. And would give Roddick a stronger argument.

Stan was fortunate though to not have peak Fed in his way. He wouldn't have won 3 slams with peak Fed around.
 
mental midget said:
at their best i think the roddick serve v wawrinka return gives andy the edge.
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That's the weird thing. Stan is only 3 years younger than Roddick and the 2 have barely played each other. Out of their 4 matches, 2 of them were not even completed first sets, let alone matches and their other 2 had expected winners: Roddick won in 2009 when Stan was not Stanimal yet and Stan won in 2011 when Roddick was one foot in retirement.

It's really hard to call this one.
 
Remember, Roddick in 2012 said the Big4 were too strong for him, and 1 year later Wawrinka started beating the Big4.

If that's not an admission that Roddick is inferior to Wawrinka I don't know what that is.
 
Is this whole thread a proxy fight between Federer and Djokovic fans about whose ‘weak era’ in their prime was not so weak? Are Fed fans in general stating that Roddick is better and Djokovic fans voting for Wawrinka?

Hard to argue against Wawrinka who is a 3-time Slam winner at 3 different Slams who out-hit the best player of the decade and world#1 off the court from both wings in each of his Slam wins.

Roddick‘s style of play (big serve, big FH and not much else) has been cited by many as the model for why US tennis has declined on the ATP tour. He certainly was unable to beat the best player of his decade when it counted.
 
Comparing just BH's....

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socallefty said:
Is this whole thread a proxy fight between Federer and Djokovic fans about whose ‘weak era’ in their prime was not so weak? Are Fed fans in general stating that Roddick is better and Djokovic fans voting for Wawrinka?

Hard to argue against Wawrinka who is a 3-time Slam winner at 3 different Slams who out-hit the best player of the decade and world#1 off the court from both wings in each of his Slam wins.

Roddick‘s style of play (big serve, big FH and not much else) has been cited by many as the model for why US tennis has declined on the ATP tour. He certainly was unable to beat the best player of his decade when it counted.
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Well, to be fair, Stan was also unable to beat Roddick's best player of his decade.
 
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