Of course! Watching Nadal lose is always exciting.
I think you're becoming my favorite poster on this forum.
Who is becoming bored senseless of clay court tennis?
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I think you're becoming my favorite poster on this forum.
Lukhas
Legend
This. Time for him to have a hard draw so it becomes a bit more exiting, even if we know the winner. I like clay and especially playing on it personally.
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But also this.
bjsnider
Hall of Fame
I'd add, to the original post, that it's only the Mediterranean players that seem to really enjoy playing on the surface. It's just as marginalized as ever, even with the shift in tennis politics to Europe. It's really too bad they're playing a sport called 'lawn tennis', and they hardly ever play on grass. Most of the players seem to prefer grass and hards. Djokovic and Murray complained about this last year.
The Nadal era has made the outcomes of the matches mostly irrelevant and predictable. Who wants to see a movie where each act, each scene, can be easily foretold? Where's the fun in that? There's a place in the game for clay, but I think it's a different place than where it is now.
The Nadal era has made the outcomes of the matches mostly irrelevant and predictable. Who wants to see a movie where each act, each scene, can be easily foretold? Where's the fun in that? There's a place in the game for clay, but I think it's a different place than where it is now.
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its been great this season, we have gotten to see some of the best shanks in history.
kragster
Hall of Fame
Strong butthurt in this thread. If retrieving balls endlessly was the only skill required and an easy skill at that, why is it only Nadal that keeps winning. Whatever Nadal is doing, he does MUCH better than the field. Not incrementally better, MUCH Better. It is not possible to differentiate yourself to such a large extent on a skill that is easy to master.
That being said, we do need much more grass representation. But not necessarily at the cost of clay but rather slow hard-courts. MC is already not mandatory . We don't need both IW and Miami, one of them can make way for grass. And then one of the smaller grass events needs to be upgraded to a Masters.
That being said, we do need much more grass representation. But not necessarily at the cost of clay but rather slow hard-courts. MC is already not mandatory . We don't need both IW and Miami, one of them can make way for grass. And then one of the smaller grass events needs to be upgraded to a Masters.
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DRII
G.O.A.T.
Federer fanatics...
I enjoy tennis all seasons but fast hc and indoors are more exciting than clay. The WTF is the most exciting event since there's only elite 8 playing on a faster court which brings the best out of the players in terms of skills...serve, touch, coordination, volley, ball striking, varieties, etc
I love grass, but not as much as I use to since they gradually show down each year. I watched the replay of 2004 Wimbledon there's a difference from today. The game use to be more offensive/attacking, shot making, winners, big serve...many components that require to win Wimbledon. However, grass today is still a lot better than clay which strictly a war of atttrition, fitness contest.
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cluckcluck
Hall of Fame
It's boring in the sense that nobody other than Rafa wins. There's no variety in the winners circle anymore.
But, this thread isn't about Nadal, so yeah, I'm bored to death with the slow red courts, extended (unnecessary) rallies, and dirty socks.
Looking forward to the handful of grass tournament and then the semi-fast hardcourts.
But, this thread isn't about Nadal, so yeah, I'm bored to death with the slow red courts, extended (unnecessary) rallies, and dirty socks.
Looking forward to the handful of grass tournament and then the semi-fast hardcourts.
What, watching players "construct points"(read: wait for the other guy to topple over from fatigure...or boredom) doesn't do it for you? Below is a list of the Grand Slam Winners(and runner up) from the last 40 years. Take a look at the Dirtball Open winners and compare them to the winners of the other 3. Anybody who is the least bit objective can see that one Slam wonders are noticeably more likely to win the Dirtball than any other Slam. A de facto penalization of people who hit winners does that...
2013 Australian Open Novak Djokovic Andy Murray
2012 U.S. Open Andy Murray Novak Djokovic
2012 Wimbledon Roger Federer Andy Murray
2012 French Open Rafael Nadal Novak Djokovic
2012 Australian Open Novak Djokovic Rafael Nadal
2011 U.S. Open Novak Djokovic Rafael Nadal
2011 Wimbledon Novak Djokovic Rafael Nadal
2011 French Open Rafael Nadal Roger Federer
2011 Australian Open Novak Djokovic Andy Murray
2010 U.S. Open Rafael Nadal Novak Djokovic
2010 Wimbledon Rafael Nadal Tomas Berdych
2010 French Open Rafael Nadal Robin Soderling
2010 Australian Open Roger Federer Andy Murray
2009 U.S. Open Juan Martin del Potro Roger Federer
2009 Wimbledon Roger Federer Andy Roddick
2009 French Open Roger Federer Robin Soderling
2009 Australian Open Rafael Nadal Roger Federer
2008 U.S. Open Roger Federer Andy Murray
2008 Wimbledon Rafael Nadal Roger Federer
2008 French Open Rafael Nadal Roger Federer
2008 Australian Open Novak Djokovic Jo-Wilfried Tsonga
2007 U.S. Open Roger Federer Novak Djokovic
2007 Wimbledon Roger Federer Rafael Nadal
2007 French Open Rafael Nadal Roger Federer
2007 Australian Open Roger Federer Fernando Gonzalez
2006 U.S. Open Roger Federer Andy Roddick
2006 Wimbledon Roger Federer Rafael Nadal
2006 French Open Rafael Nadal Roger Federer
2006 Australian Open Roger Federer Marcos Baghdatis
2005 U.S. Open Roger Federer Andre Agassi
2005 Wimbledon Roger Federer Andy Roddick
2005 French Open Rafael Nadal Mariano Puerta
2005 Australian Open Marat Safin Lleyton Hewitt
2004 U.S. Open Roger Federer Lleyton Hewitt
2004 Wimbledon Roger Federer Andy Roddick
2004 French Open Gaston Gaudio Guillermo Coria
2004 Australian Open Roger Federer Marat Safin
2003 U.S. Open Andy Roddick Juan Carlos Ferrero
2003 Wimbledon Roger Federer Mark Philippoussis
2003 French Open Juan Carlos Ferrero Martin Verkerk
2003 Australian Open Andre Agassi Rainer Schuettler
2002 U.S. Open Pete Sampras Andre Agassi
2002 Wimbledon Lleyton Hewitt David Nalbandian
2002 French Open Albert Costa Juan Carlos Ferrero
2002 Australian Open Thomas Johannson Marat Safin
2001 U.S. Open Lleyton Hewitt Pete Sampras
2001 Wimbledon Goran Ivanisevic Patrick Rafter
2001 French Open Gustavo Kuerten Alex Corretja
2001 Australian Open Andre Agassi Arnaud Clement
2000 U.S. Open Marat Safin Pete Sampras
2000 Wimbledon Pete Sampras Patrick Rafter
2000 French Open Gustavo Kuerten Magnus Norman
2000 Australian Open Andre Agassi Yevgeny Kafelnikov
1999 U.S. Open Andre Agassi Todd Martin
1999 Wimbledon Pete Sampras Andre Agassi
1999 French Open Andre Agassi Andre Medvedev
1999 Australian Open Yevgeny Kafelnikov Thomas Enqvist
1998 U.S. Open Patrick Rafter Mark Philippoussis
1998 Wimbledon Pete Sampras Goran Ivanisevic
1998 French Open Carlos Moya Alex Corretja
1998 Australian Open Petr Korda Marcelo Rios
1997 U.S. Open Patrick Rafter Greg Rusedski
1997 Wimbledon Pete Sampras Cedric Pioline
1997 French Open Gustavo Kuerten Sergi Bruguera
1997 Australian Open Pete Sampras Carlos Moya
1996 U.S. Open Pete Sampras Michael Chang
1996 Wimbledon Richard Krajicek MaliVai Washington
1996 French Open Yevgeny Kafelnikov Michael Stich
1996 Australian Open Boris Becker Michael Chang
1995 U.S. Open Pete Sampras Andre Agassi
1995 Wimbledon Pete Sampras Boris Becker
1995 French Open Thomas Muster Michael Chang
1995 Australian Open Andre Agassi Pete Sampras
1994 U.S. Open Andre Agassi Michael Stich
1994 Wimbledon Pete Sampras Goran Ivanisevic
1994 French Open Sergi Bruguera Alberto Berasategui
1994 Australian Open Pete Sampras Todd Martin
1993 U.S. Open Pete Sampras Cedric Pioline
1993 Wimbledon Pete Sampras Jim Courier
1993 French Open Sergi Bruguera Jim Courier
1993 Australian Open Jim Courier Stefan Edberg
1992 U.S. Open Stefan Edberg Pete Sampras
1992 Wimbledon Andre Agassi Goran Ivanisevic
1992 French Open Jim Courier Petr Korda
1992 Australian Open Jim Courier Stefan Edberg
1991 U.S. Open Stefan Edberg Jim Courier
1991 Wimbledon Michael Stich Boris Becker
1991 French Open Jim Courier Andre Agassi
1991 Australian Open Boris Becker Ivan Lendl
1990 U.S. Open Pete Sampras Andre Agassi
1990 Wimbledon Stefan Edberg Boris Becker
1990 French Open Andres Gomez Andre Agassi
1990 Australian Open Ivan Lendl Stefan Edberg
1989 U.S. Open Boris Becker Ivan Lendl
1989 Wimbledon Boris Becker Stefan Edberg
1989 French Open Michael Chang Stefan Edberg
1989 Australian Open Ivan Lendl Miloslav Mecir
1988 U.S. Open Mats Wilander Ivan Lendl
1988 Wimbledon Stefan Edberg Boris Becker
1988 French Open Mats Wilander Henri Leconte
1988 Australian Open Mats Wilander Pat Cash
1987 U.S. Open Ivan Lendl Mats Wilander
1987 Wimbledon Pat Cash Ivan Lendl
1987 French Open Ivan Lendl Mats Wilander
1987 Australian Open Stefan Edberg Pat Cash
1986 U.S. Open Ivan Lendl Miloslav Mecir
1986 Wimbledon Boris Becker Ivan Lendl
1986 French Open Ivan Lendl Mikael Pernfors
1985 Australian Open Stefan Edberg Mats Wilander
1985 U.S. Open Ivan Lendl John McEnroe
1985 Wimbledon Boris Becker Kevin Curren
1985 French Open Mats Wilander Ivan Lendl
1984 Australian Open Mats Wilander Kevin Curren
1984 U.S. Open John McEnroe Ivan Lendl
1984 Wimbledon John McEnroe Jimmy Connors
1984 French Open Ivan Lendl John McEnroe
1983 Australian Open Mats Wilander Ivan Lendl
1983 U.S. Open Jimmy Connors Ivan Lendl
1983 Wimbledon John McEnroe Chris Lewis
1983 French Open Yannick Noah Mats Wilander
1982 Australian Open Johan Kriek Steve Denton
1982 U.S. Open Jimmy Connors Ivan Lendl
1982 Wimbledon Jimmy Connors John McEnroe
1982 French Open Mats Wilander Guillermo Vilas
1981 Australian Open Johan Kriek Steve Denton
1981 U.S. Open John McEnroe Bjorn Borg
1981 Wimbledon John McEnroe Bjorn Borg
1981 French Open Bjorn Borg Ivan Lendl
1980 Australian Open Brian Teacher Kim Warwick
1980 U.S. Open John McEnroe Bjorn Borg
1980 Wimbledon Bjorn Borg John McEnroe
1980 French Open Bjorn Borg Vitas Gerulaitis
1979 Australian Open Guillermo Vilas John Sadri
1979 U.S. Open John McEnroe Vitas Gerulaitis
1979 Wimbledon Bjorn Borg Roscoe Tanner
1979 French Open Bjorn Borg Victor Pecci
1978 Australian Open Guillermo Vilas John Marks
1978 U.S. Open Jimmy Connors Bjorn Borg
1978 Wimbledon Bjorn Borg Jimmy Connors
1978 French Open Bjorn Borg Guillermo Vilas
1977 Australian Open (Dec) Vitas Gerulaitis John Lloyd
1977 U.S. Open Guillermo Vilas Jimmy Connors
1977 Wimbledon Bjorn Borg Jimmy Connors
1977 French Open Guillermo Vilas Brian Gottfried
1977 Australian Open (Jan) Roscoe Tanner Guillermo Vilas
1976 U.S. Open Jimmy Connors Bjorn Borg
1976 Wimbledon Bjorn Borg Ilie Nastase
1976 French Open Adriano Panatta Harold Soloman
1976 Australian Open Mark Edmondson John Newcombe
1975 U.S. Open Manuel Orantes Jimmy Connors
1975 Wimbledon Arthur Ashe Jimmy Connors
1975 French Open Bjorn Borg Guillermo Vilas
1975 Australian Open John Newcombe Jimmy Connors
1974 U.S. Open Jimmy Connors Ken Rosewall
1974 Wimbledon Jimmy Connors Ken Rosewall
1974 French Open Bjorn Borg Manuel Orantes
1974 Australian Open Jimmy Connors Phil Dent
1973 U.S. Open John Newcombe Jan Kodes
1973 Wimbledon Jan Kodes Alex Metreveli
1973 French Open Ilie Nastase Nikola Pilic
1973 Australian Open John Newcombe Onny Parun
1972 U.S. Open Ilie Nastase Arthur Ashe
1972 Wimbledon Stan Smith Ilie Nastase
1972 French Open Andres Gimeno Patrick Proisy
DRII
G.O.A.T.
do you actually think you're showing anything declaritive here as far as making a valid point
so what if more one time slam winners are French Open champions?
there are many other factors that you're not taking into account. like at one point 3 of the slams were played on grass; the French is the only slam that has exclusively been played on red clay, etc...
mellowyellow
Legend
Yes, add me to the list, I use to look forward to all the different surfaces through the year, especially the clay.... Now unfortunately its almost unbearable with the predictability and the length. The grass is actually the same, cant stand to watch balls bounce head height and take an average of 12 strokes for a point to be over. Sorry tennis has lost my interest over the last few years.
dunlop_fort_knox
Professional
the old European aristocracy still has much sway over the world of tennis. they love their clay events, giving them time to relax in the warm sun with their fellow members of the leisure class. although they can't wait for the brutish clay court style to extinguish itself and for a beautiful elegant player to rise in the rankings.
dunlop_fort_knox
Professional
exactly the points rarely last longer than they do on hard courts.
dunlop_fort_knox
Professional
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I love watching tennis on clay, but Nadal does take a lot of the interest out of it.
Rome is an excellent example. Once Djokovic was upset, the tournament was over. The only thing worth watching at that point, for me, was to see if Federer could advance to the finals. Nadal winning was about as sure a thing as you'll find in sports when it became clear that his road to the title was likely to be Ferrer, Berdych and Federer.
The upshot is that some young guys like the aforementioned Janowicz (and Gulbis and Dimitrov) flashed some great form on the dirt over the last couple of months.
Monte Carlo was the best tournament of the clay season for one reason mainly. It is the only one where we got to see the match we all want to see - Djokovic vs. Nadal.
We've been denied that matchup in the other tournaments - Indian Wells, Madrid and Rome.
I believe we'll see it at Roland Garros. I certainly hope so.
Rome is an excellent example. Once Djokovic was upset, the tournament was over. The only thing worth watching at that point, for me, was to see if Federer could advance to the finals. Nadal winning was about as sure a thing as you'll find in sports when it became clear that his road to the title was likely to be Ferrer, Berdych and Federer.
The upshot is that some young guys like the aforementioned Janowicz (and Gulbis and Dimitrov) flashed some great form on the dirt over the last couple of months.
Monte Carlo was the best tournament of the clay season for one reason mainly. It is the only one where we got to see the match we all want to see - Djokovic vs. Nadal.
We've been denied that matchup in the other tournaments - Indian Wells, Madrid and Rome.
I believe we'll see it at Roland Garros. I certainly hope so.
do you actually think you're showing anything declaritive here as far as making a valid point
so what if more one time slam winners are French Open champions?
there are many other factors that you're not taking into account. like at one point 3 of the slams were played on grass; the French is the only slam that has exclusively been played on red clay, etc...
As is often the case, your reading skills are somewhat lacking: there aren't just a lot of guys who won the Dirtball and never won it again, there are a lot of guys who won it and never won ANY Slam again, whether it was played on dirt, grass, hard, or moon dust-and the reason for that is pretty clear, your desperate attempts to ignore it notwithstanding.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I love clay court tennis. I wish it would last forever. There is something sensual about the surface itself, its color, feel and texture.
DRII
G.O.A.T.
and again your point? you're not making any salient argument even if you think you are...
there have been 5 players who've won only the Australian once in the Open Era? so what do you think that means?
I love the way it looks and the way the players slide. I like clay court tennis in general - with the longer rallies and point construction, as they say. I think Nadal (and others) are fun to watch. My only "complaint" is that Rafa's dominance takes all the drama out of it.
Djokovic's emergence put a little drama back in, but as soon as he loses, its almost certain Rafa will win. There is much more intrigue on the other surfaces where any of the big 4 (and occasionally a surprise player) can win, so you never know. On clay, you know. It's about like the NBA playoffs this year. They're just a formality - barring some catastrophe, nobody will beat the Miami Heat.
I think that means that's about 1/3 as many guys who have done likewise for the Dirtball Open. Thanks for proving my point, even though you don't think that you are...
:smile::wink::grin::
BreakPoint
Bionic Poster
Yes, and especially considering that 3 of the 4 Slams were played on grass for almost 100 years.
Sorana fan
Banned
I became bored of cement. That IS really boring.
Love clay and grass. Proper tennis surfaces.
Love clay and grass. Proper tennis surfaces.
Sorana fan
Banned
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Define proper.
There are no more tournaments on the ATP calendar, that are played on real clay. At least not on the Tour.
No, it is not.
If what the poster says is true, Isner would have been racking up titles on HC like mad.
The part, where he says, that he could hit winners agains pros is especially amusing.
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DRII
G.O.A.T.
I think that means that's about 1/3 as many guys who have done likewise for the Dirtball Open. Thanks for proving my point, even though you don't think that you are...
wrong as usual for you.
there have been nine one time slam winners who won the French in the open era!
again, state your point (if you have one) and stop being a coward!
Sorana fan
Banned
I love the way it looks and the way the players slide. I like clay court tennis in general - with the longer rallies and point construction, as they say. I think Nadal (and others) are fun to watch. My only "complaint" is that Rafa's dominance takes all the drama out of it.
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Did you complain in 2006 and 2007 about grass and hc when Fed was taking the drama out of it?
I think its the right length. They should scrap one of the clay court masters and have a grass court master. But that wont happen. Really clay is played all year. They do have an official season but its played basically from the beginning of the season till the fall. Nadal makes it boring but he wont be around forever. No one is going to dominate clay like he does when he is gone. So that will make it more exciting.
Honestly they need to revamp the schedule totally but it will never happen. Have two hard court masters prior to aussie open. Have two clay court masters prior to french open. Have two grass court masters prior to wimby and two more hardcourt masters prior to us open. That would make to much sense
Honestly they need to revamp the schedule totally but it will never happen. Have two hard court masters prior to aussie open. Have two clay court masters prior to french open. Have two grass court masters prior to wimby and two more hardcourt masters prior to us open. That would make to much sense
Clarky21
Banned
I think its the right length. They should scrap one of the clay court masters and have a grass court master. But that wont happen. Really clay is played all year. They do have an official season but its played basically from the beginning of the season till the fall. Nadal makes it boring but he wont be around forever. No one is going to dominate clay like he does when he is gone. So that will make it more exciting.
Honestly they need to revamp the schedule totally but it will never happen. Have two hard court masters prior to aussie open. Have two clay court masters prior to french open. Have two grass court masters prior to wimby and two more hardcourt masters prior to us open. That would make to much sense
No, they should scrap one of the many hard court masters for a grass masters. There are far too many hard courts on the tour so I think one could be done away with without being missed.
My point being they have two hardcore slams. So I think 4 hardcore masters is the correct number. Have two clay court masters and two grass court masters and bam. You have 8 masters events. Thats the right amount.
Rocky89
Professional
I always find it ridiculous when posters complain there aren't enough grass masters and want to replace one of the 3 clay masters to grass instead of the countless hard court ones we have.
I took the following statement to mean, players who have only won the AO once, in the Open era:
"there have been 5 players who've won only the Australian once in the Open Era?" and my reply was that that was about 1/3 as many who have won the Dirtball Open once, and once only in the Open era. The number of players who've done that is actually is 17:
Gaudio, Albert Costa, Juan Carlos Ferrero, Andre Agassi, Carlos Moya, Yevgeny Kafelnikov, Thomas Muster, Andres Gomez, Chang, Noah, Vilas, Nastase, Gimeno, Panatta, Laver, Rosewall, and...Federer. Now, I am well aware that Laver won the Grand Slam twice, and that Rosewall won the Dirtball twice, but each of them won it only once in the Open era. Now, I see you likely meant, 5 people have won the AO and nothing else, but that was ambiguous because of your strange wording, saying, there have been 5 players who won the AO and no other Slams would have been crystal clear, but, I have to remember who I'm dealing with. But, so what? 9 is almost twice as many dirt swillers as 5, so your point is, uh, lacking. There's a lot more Panatta types on the Dirtball list than on any others, because it "evens the playing field(sic)" that's exactly why those 4 Musketeer scum were after when they introduced the surface into Davis Cup, to blunt the superior power of Big Bill Tilden, who was voted the greatest tennis player of the first half of the 20th Century. Gotta give those baseline boobs a better shot while they "construct" points.
Try again, Slick...
"there have been 5 players who've won only the Australian once in the Open Era?" and my reply was that that was about 1/3 as many who have won the Dirtball Open once, and once only in the Open era. The number of players who've done that is actually is 17:
Gaudio, Albert Costa, Juan Carlos Ferrero, Andre Agassi, Carlos Moya, Yevgeny Kafelnikov, Thomas Muster, Andres Gomez, Chang, Noah, Vilas, Nastase, Gimeno, Panatta, Laver, Rosewall, and...Federer. Now, I am well aware that Laver won the Grand Slam twice, and that Rosewall won the Dirtball twice, but each of them won it only once in the Open era. Now, I see you likely meant, 5 people have won the AO and nothing else, but that was ambiguous because of your strange wording, saying, there have been 5 players who won the AO and no other Slams would have been crystal clear, but, I have to remember who I'm dealing with. But, so what? 9 is almost twice as many dirt swillers as 5, so your point is, uh, lacking. There's a lot more Panatta types on the Dirtball list than on any others, because it "evens the playing field(sic)" that's exactly why those 4 Musketeer scum were after when they introduced the surface into Davis Cup, to blunt the superior power of Big Bill Tilden, who was voted the greatest tennis player of the first half of the 20th Century. Gotta give those baseline boobs a better shot while they "construct" points.
Try again, Slick...
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See I would do a radical revision of the schedule. Move aussie open back a couple weeks. Have masters in china maybe indoors prior to aussie. Then maybe do miami before aussie Or do Miami prior. I think the weather would be ok. Thats two hardcore masters. Then do your two clay courts maybe monte carlo and of course Rome prior to French. Change Madrid to grass. Its a weird tourney anyway and would be much better attended if it was grass. Then make Halle a masters. Then do wimby. Then keep the Canada and Cincy prior to the US open. Maybe throw Indian Wells in the fall and drop Paris or vice versa. Of course thats just a fantasy. I would drop paris only because they already have a grand slam. There ya go.
Or instead of making halle a grass masters change indian wells to grass. And keep it a masters. It might be to hot though.
And I find it ridiculous when anybody suggests that dirt courts shouldn't be done away with entirely. A chacun son gout...
mellowyellow
Legend
I think its the right length. They should scrap one of the clay court masters and have a grass court master. But that wont happen. Really clay is played all year. They do have an official season but its played basically from the beginning of the season till the fall. Nadal makes it boring but he wont be around forever. No one is going to dominate clay like he does when he is gone. So that will make it more exciting.
Honestly they need to revamp the schedule totally but it will never happen. Have two hard court masters prior to aussie open. Have two clay court masters prior to french open. Have two grass court masters prior to wimby and two more hardcourt masters prior to us open. That would make to much sense
Agreed, the 3 Weeks? Prior to AUSO completely take it out of credibility for a true slam. Need to have a masters before so players are grooved to the beginning of the season, have time to heal any injuries from starting tourney play. I also feel thats part of the reason it has been popular to 1 slam wonders...
mellowyellow
Legend
I miss the days when there were true surface specialist...
HRB
Hall of Fame
I know for me it has a lot to do with what surface is available for me to play on so I can relate better. I like the clay, but I get to play on true Red Clay about twice a year, meanwhile I play on outdoor hard courts about 4 times a week.
I respect the Clay court tourneys, but out of necessity I developed a flatter baseline, aggressive, big serve and get the point over game. Still I don't dislike it, and it just seems longer, but as many of you have pointed out; it really isn't.
Grass...never played on it, would love to because that would really suit my fast points game! Sadly the only grass near me is at a Polo club with a $20K initiation fee, so not going to be trying that anytime soon.
I respect the Clay court tourneys, but out of necessity I developed a flatter baseline, aggressive, big serve and get the point over game. Still I don't dislike it, and it just seems longer, but as many of you have pointed out; it really isn't.
Grass...never played on it, would love to because that would really suit my fast points game! Sadly the only grass near me is at a Polo club with a $20K initiation fee, so not going to be trying that anytime soon.
90's Clay
Banned
When one guy dominates to that degree its easy to get bored of a certain surface.
But don't blame Nadal. Blame the TERRIBLE clay field we got today (and have had for 10 years). The problem with clay is no one really knows how to excel on it anymore. We haven't had legit dirt ballers since the 90s
Hardcourts is the only exciting time of the year for me.. Everyone is pretty much AWFUL on both clay and grass
But don't blame Nadal. Blame the TERRIBLE clay field we got today (and have had for 10 years). The problem with clay is no one really knows how to excel on it anymore. We haven't had legit dirt ballers since the 90s
Hardcourts is the only exciting time of the year for me.. Everyone is pretty much AWFUL on both clay and grass
Too bad Sampras wasn't around to deny Nadal all those French Opens........
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Nathaniel_Near
Guest
Sampras is one of the best 10 or so players of the Open Era, there is no need to be so facetious. Nadal is almost unstoppable on clay.
Clarky21
Banned
I know. Their motives for wanting to scrap one of the clay masters is very transparent.
Nadal will also win on grass so it won't work
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