Who is better/greater? Wawrinka or Kuerten?

Who is better/greater


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#1
Different types of career though - Kuerten is an early bloomer who prime was cut short by injuries while Wawrinka find success later in his career.

GS: 3 vs 3. Wawrinka won at AO, RG and USO when Kuerten titles came exclusively at RG. Stan also has an extra GS final.
Master: 1 vs 5.
YEC: 0 vs 1
Career high: 3 vs 1 (Plus an year-end No.1 in 2000)
Total titles: 16 vs 20.

What do you think?
 

Red Rick

Talk Tennis Guru
#8
Gustavo didn't have to beat Nadal and Ultron for his slams.
Cause that was some peak Nadal stuff.

Wawrinka has a good matchup with Djokovic. That's all there is to him. Everything else about him is overrated. Fed fans love him cause he beat Djoko, Djoko fans hype him cause otherwise it's hard to swallow that Wawa beat him.

Apart from when he plays Djokovic, Wawrinka is nothing special.
 

Lew II

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#10
Cause that was some peak Nadal stuff.

Wawrinka has a good matchup with Djokovic. That's all there is to him. Everything else about him is overrated. Fed fans love him cause he beat Djoko, Djoko fans hype him cause otherwise it's hard to swallow that Wawa beat him.

Apart from when he plays Djokovic, Wawrinka is nothing special.
Since 2013 he is 12-5 in slams against top-10 not named Djokovic, losing only to the Big4.
 
#11
Kuerten 3 Slam runs past quarterfinal. Says it all in favour of Wawrinka. Plus the epic 5 set losses like 2013 AO for Stan.

Let's talk about Kuerten's #1 year though, 2000. In context probably weakest YE #1 and Wawrinka has two WTF semifinal finishes.

Overall it's Wawrinka with 3 different Slams and more deep runs.
 

Sabratha

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#12
Kuerten 3 Slam runs past quarterfinal. Says it all in favour of Wawrinka. Plus the epic 5 set losses like 2013 AO for Stan.

Let's talk about Kuerten's #1 year though, 2000. In context probably weakest YE #1 and Wawrinka has two WTF semifinal finishes.

Overall it's Wawrinka with 3 different Slams and more deep runs.
Yep, beating Agassi and Sampras back to back is real weak dude. :whistle:

You probably think Rafter is better than Kuerten though. :)
 
#13
Kuerten 3 Slam runs past quarterfinal. Says it all in favour of Wawrinka. Plus the epic 5 set losses like 2013 AO for Stan.

Let's talk about Kuerten's #1 year though, 2000. In context probably weakest YE #1 and Wawrinka has two WTF semifinal finishes.

Overall it's Wawrinka with 3 different Slams and more deep runs.
I would say that Sampras 1998 year-end no.1 was weaker.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
#16
Kuerten. Guy was YE #1.

Another guy who's prime was cut short my injuries - total opposite to Wawrinka who is a very late bloomer.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
#18
What

What about slam distribution about which most fans keep harping about?
New user complaining about most fans already?

The YE #1 is a huge deal for me and like I said Kuerten was done in by injuries at 25, Wawrinka won his first at what 28/29?
 
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#19
Gustavo didn't have to beat Nadal and Ultron for his slams.
Cause that was some peak Nadal stuff.

Wawrinka has a good matchup with Djokovic. That's all there is to him. Everything else about him is overrated. Fed fans love him cause he beat Djoko, Djoko fans hype him cause otherwise it's hard to swallow that Wawa beat him.

Apart from when he plays Djokovic, Wawrinka is nothing special.
Might mean something when a Nadal fan also says Wolvarinka, no?

But seriously, Waverinka is the only guy that ever hit priming/peaking Djokovic off the court. Nobody does that. Not Federer, not Nadal, not even Tower of Tandil.

Might have been a brief window, credit to him for finding a window virtually nobody else did in two decades.

P.S.
I really dislike the “match up” reasoning. Sure Nadal is/was a great match up against Fed but he also needed to execute. Full credit to these guys for their wins.
 
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#20
New user complaining about most fans already?

The YE #1 is a huge deal for me and like I said Kuerten was done in by injuries at 25, Wawrinka won his first at what 28/29?
Maybe I have started replying just a few days ago but I have been following this whole forum for years.
 
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#22
Maybe I have started replying just a few days ago but I have been following this whole forum for years.
There was a tsunami which recently hit Indonesia, which was bad. What seismic event unfolded that had you see the meaning of life?

 
#24
Wawrinka obviously. People voting for Kuerten are trolling.

They are tied in Grand Slams (3 = 3), but the distribution gives Wawrinka a clear edge. Kuerten only won RG. Mr. Wawrinka won RG, the USO and the AO.
 
#25
I could see prime Kuerten win at least 1 more RG from 2002 to 2004. Kuerten is not entirely a clay court specialist though, won TMC 2000 (beating Agassi and sampras back to back), also won 2001 Cincinnati Master with a brutal draw. At that time he was world No.1 and could be the favorite for the Us Open.
 
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#31
I still remember the impact that 2004 tsunami had on the entire world, let alone a singular population.
In Canada a few people get caught in an elevator it makes the local news. I started spending gobs of time in Asia after my thirties. Earthquakes, typhoons, tsunamis, volcanos, shoot even traffic jams that can go on for days. It’s amazing how government and citizenry manage to be so accustomed to such things.

You look at spots like Bali or Phuket today that were deeply affected by that 2004 Tsunami and you wouldn’t even know such an event happened. Developers continue build 5 star resorts by the sea, locals continue to operate their businesses, vacationers flock to the same exact spots where hundreds died.

I wonder if it’s a good or bad thing?
 

Sabratha

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#32
In Canada a few people get caught in an elevator it makes the local news. I started spending gobs of time in Asia after my thirties. Earthquakes, typhoons, tsunamis, volcanos, shoot even traffic jams that can go on for days. It’s amazing how government and citizenry manage to be so accustomed to such things.

You look at spots like Bali or Phuket today that were deeply affected by that 2004 Tsunami and you wouldn’t even know such an event happened. Developers continue build 5 star resorts by the sea, locals continue to operate their businesses, vacationers flock to the same exact spots where hundreds died.

I wonder if it’s a good or bad thing?
Well, you can't change what's already happened. The best thing to do would be to move forward and continue to foster growth and prosperity. :)

Of course the families and friends of those who unfortunately perished in these events will always hold onto the memory of the lost souls. :cry:
 
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#34
Well, you can't change what's already happened. The best thing to do would be to move forward and continue to foster growth and prosperity. :)

Of course the families and friends of those who unfortunately perished in these events will always hold onto the memory of the lost souls. :cry:
Undoubtedly.

I supposed that’s why I chose that gif above. The new user said he decided to contribute to the forum after years of inactivity. It reminded me of an earthquake or volcano that suddenly comes around. In that moment most people would panic but the experienced ones would calmly grab their tea or coffee.

Is the new user this guy?


Or this guy?
 

Sabratha

Talk Tennis Guru
#35
Undoubtedly.

I supposed that’s why I chose that gif above. The new user said he decided to contribute to the forum after years of inactivity. It reminded me of an earthquake or volcano that suddenly comes around. In that moment most people would panic but the experienced ones would calmly grab their tea or coffee.

Is the new user this guy?


Or this guy?
Well you have to live through such an experience to know how to react. :) It says he is 19 years old, perhaps he hasn't encountered such an event before?!?!

Hey wait a minute, how long has he been following this forum if he's only 19? Was he 12 years old stalking posts about Fedr/Nadl? :unsure:
 
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#36
Well you have to live through such an experience to know how to react. :) It says he is 19 years old, perhaps he hasn't encountered such an event before?!?!

Hey wait a minute, how long has he been following this forum if he's only 19? Was he 12 years old stalking posts about Fedr/Nadl?:unsure:
Good question !!!!!

Maybe its altogether a different kind of seismic event?

This guy:


That probably does make most sense when you think about how this forum works.
 
#37
Well you have to live through such an experience to know how to react. :) It says he is 19 years old, perhaps he hasn't encountered such an event before?!?!

Hey wait a minute, how long has he been following this forum if he's only 19? Was he 12 years old stalking posts about Fedr/Nadl? :unsure:
Yes you are right. I started watching tennis in 2007 and started watching this forum in 2013.
 
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#38
Yes you are right. I started watching tennis in 2007 and started watching this forum in 2013.
That’s great but what about the original question? What event made you decide to switch from passive observer to regular contributor?

P.S.
Welcome to the forum by the way.
 
#40
That’s great but what about the original question? What event made you decide to switch from passive observer to regular contributor?

P.S.
Welcome to the forum by the way.
See when I was 14 I was afraid of posting anything on the net. But when I went to high school, here in India we enter a rat race to get into colleges where we are not supposed to engage in any distractions. A bit complicated. Now that I am in college and moreover its my holidays so I thought replying in this forum will be a fun pass time.
 
#41
My two favorites since nastase, Mac, clerc, Noah, becker, edberg, and Pete. Much love and respect for both.

Similar stats.
Same utter pleasure and joy to the world as we watch and imitate their backhands.
Both clutch servers, neutral returners, fiery competitors.... and basically unbeatable on the right day.
Both rock(ed) the croc (pre-peak Stanley, and present day Guga).
Both popular worldwide, especially in France.

if this were some sort of inter-era competition....
My head says Stan. He is imitable.
My heart Guga because of his touch around the net, his general bonhommerie and connection with the sporting public. And his love for the sea.

Let's look at head to heads against the great RF.
Kidding.

Tough one. Toss-up in my house. The girls say Guga. My boys say Stan.
What must Stan and Guga think of this thread topic?
 
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#42
See when I was 14 I was afraid of posting anything on the net. But when I went to high school, here in India we enter a rat race to get into colleges where we are not supposed to engage in any distractions. A bit complicated. Now that I am in college and moreover its my holidays so I thought replying in this forum will be a fun pass time.
Sounds good. Also, awesome username. What in the world is zuluzazu??????

Some folk like ABCD want to be first in the telephone directory, others perhaps want to have the last word.

Might that be it?

 

thrust

Hall of Fame
#44
Wawrinka obviously. People voting for Kuerten are trolling.

They are tied in Grand Slams (3 = 3), but the distribution gives Wawrinka a clear edge. Kuerten only won RG. Mr. Wawrinka won RG, the USO and the AO.
True, but I think that court speeds were much different in Kuerten's day than today. Stan was lucky that Nadal was injured in their AO final and so was Novak, to a lesser degree, in the USO final. Stan was near incredible in the FO final vs Novak, who also played very well in that final. I must admit though that I always thought Gustavo was a more likable person than Stan.
 
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#45
Zulu is the nickname of my sister and zazu is my nickname
Kewl. Makes an interesting username all the more richer.

Have fun with the forum zuluzazu. One quick way of making friends in here is to find a bone of contention and argue it. Doesn’t matter what that bone is. Call Federer a sissy. That’s usually a dependable one.
 

Red Rick

Talk Tennis Guru
#46
Might mean something when a Nadal fan also says Wolvarinka, no?

But seriously, Waverinka is the only guy that ever hit priming/peaking Djokovic off the court. Nobody does that. Not Federer, not Nadal, not even Tower of Tandil.

Might have been a brief window, credit to him for finding a window virtually nobody else did in two decades.

P.S.
I really dislike the “match up” reasoning. Sure Nadal is/was a great match up against Fed but he also needed to execute. Full credit to these guys for their wins.
I don't discredit his wins.

But people treat him like he's better than he is based on less than 1% of his matches.
 
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#47
I don't discredit his wins.

But people treat him like he's better than he is based on less than 1% of his matches.
Whenever the term “matchup” is used as part of the reasoning it’s venturing in that direction Rick. None of these guys were born with their tennis. They laboured their entire lives over it. And in those wins they executed, which in the era of the Big 4 doesn’t tend to happen with much frequency.
 
#49
Wawrinka though has a better GS distribution, while Kuerten won only on RG, but I rank Kuerten higher, owning a WTF title and reaching No. 1 and YE1 (2000).
 
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