WHo is better on grass: Djokovic or Murray?

WHo is better on grass: Djokovic or Murray?

  • Djokovic

    Votes: 11 18.0%

  • Murray

    Votes: 50 82.0%
  • Total voters
    61
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I am inclined to say Djokovic is better than Murray, as he beat Nadal at Wimbledon whereas Murray has lost to Nadal three straight times, and would have lost to Nadal in 2011, 2012, and 2013 if they had met. If Djokovic met Nadal in these tournaments, the result would have been a coin toss as Djokovic has a fighting chance.

Although Murray heads the grass h2h against Djokovic, in this case I think their h2h against Nadal tells the more important story, so Djokovic is better than Murray on grass, imo.

What do you think?
 
Heart says Djokovic, head says Murray.

However Novak could change this, with future win or two on Wimbledon.
 
tennis_hack said:
I am inclined to say Djokovic is better than Murray, as he beat Nadal at Wimbledon whereas Murray has lost to Nadal three straight times, and would have lost to Nadal in 2011, 2012, and 2013 if they had met. If Djokovic met Nadal in these tournaments, the result would have been a coin toss as Djokovic has a fighting chance.

Although Murray heads the grass h2h against Djokovic, in this case I think their h2h against Nadal tells the more important story, so Djokovic is better than Murray on grass, imo.

What do you think?
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Murray's head-to-head against Djokovic on grass is a product of small sample size. It's not sustainable and has no basis for further generalization.

Murray didn't need to lose to Nadal hypothetically in 2011 at Wimbledon as you put it; he really did lose in four sets in the semi despite playing very well by his limited standards.

Djokovic and Murray each have a lone Wimbledon title. Djokovic faced a rather tough draw in 2011 including Tsonga in the semi and Tomic playing the best tournament of his short career, and Baghdatis in earlier rounds. Nadal was having his best Wimbledon ever, with no early round brinksmanship as is his norm, and Djokovic still crushed him decisively in the final. While it may have been, in part, due to his winning streak and supreme confidence, it does demonstrate what Djokovic is capable of on grass.

Murray, on the other hand, barely breezed through the easiest slam winner's draw since Nadal's USO in 2010, almost falling to a hitherto invisible Verdasco and struggling against nobody Janowicz who miraculously made the semi. The Djokovic he faced in the final was barely able to move under the distinctly un-English hot sun (the roof should have been closed) after coming through a resurgent Del Potro playing his best tennis since 2009.

If you could rank their respective Wimbledon titles in terms of legitimacy out of 10, Djokovic's would be about a 7.5 (deduction for not having to play Federer in the semi), and Murray's a 2 if I'm being charitable--which I always am with Murray.

(The Olympics, as far as tennis goes, is more of a patriotic circus than a real tour event, so there is no point in bringing up Murray beating a decrepit old man and an indifferent Djokovic there.)
 
Its obviously Murray, He's won queens 3 times on grass and he's beat Djokovic on the way to both Olympic gold and Wimbledon and has been consistantly good at Wimbledon his entire career. Beating Nadal on grass 1 time makes him better? Gimme a break.
 
nole 1-0 nadal on his worst surface in 5 set match

while Murray 0-3 nadal on his best surface .
also he lost in straight sets twice nadal .
its not even close.

nole>>>> Murray on any surface.
 
He's won queens three times as previously mentioned. Plus he has Olympic sliver in the doubles. He's achieved far more than nole has on grass. Plus he's not beaten Murray on grass.
 
Murray has more grass titles, he's overall just more suited to grass than djokovic.

In this comparison its one player whose very well suited to a surface playing a superior player who is out of his comfort zone. I'd say Djokovic at his best is better than Murray even on grass (ex: Wimby 2011 Final, or even Wimby '13 semis) but in general Murray is more solid on grass
 
I love how a few of you are bringing up the fact Djokovic beat Nadal as a bigger factor than y'know losing to Murray twice and not even getting a set off him in either of those matches. Yeah sure, beating Nadal on grass is great but he cant beat the guy who lost to Nadal on grass. Think about it.
 
Morj said:
Murray has more grass titles, he's overall just more suited to grass than djokovic.

In this comparison its one player whose very well suited to a surface playing a superior player who is out of his comfort zone. I'd say Djokovic at his best is better than Murray even on grass (ex: Wimby 2011 Final, or even Wimby '13 semis) but in general Murray is more solid on grass
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Murrays level always <<<< noles level on any surface .
because. nole is more talented than Murray.
 
tennis_hack said:
I am inclined to say Djokovic is better than Murray, as he beat Nadal at Wimbledon whereas Murray has lost to Nadal three straight times, and would have lost to Nadal in 2011, 2012, and 2013 if they had met. If Djokovic met Nadal in these tournaments, the result would have been a coin toss as Djokovic has a fighting chance.

Although Murray heads the grass h2h against Djokovic, in this case I think their h2h against Nadal tells the more important story, so Djokovic is better than Murray on grass, imo.

What do you think?
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You really want to know what I think?

I think it is amazing that somehow you managed to make a thread asking who is better on grass Djokovic, or Murray, actually about Nadal.

That's what I think.
 
Crose said:
Murray, and by a comfortable margin. How is this poll dead even right now?
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Because this is clearly NOT a thread about Murray or Djokovic.
It is actually about Nadal.

Since Djokovic beat Nadal on grass and Murray never did, that = Djoko is better on grass.

The fact that Murray has never lost a set to Djokovic on grass bears no value because this is NOT about Djoko vs Murray. It's somehow about Murray vs. Nadal.
 
tennis_hack said:
I am inclined to say Djokovic is better than Murray, as he beat Nadal at Wimbledon whereas Murray has lost to Nadal three straight times, and would have lost to Nadal in 2011, 2012, and 2013 if they had met. If Djokovic met Nadal in these tournaments, the result would have been a coin toss as Djokovic has a fighting chance.

Although Murray heads the grass h2h against Djokovic, in this case I think their h2h against Nadal tells the more important story, so Djokovic is better than Murray on grass, imo.

What do you think?
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I think you're completely wrong. Not only has Murray beaten Federer, one of the all-time grasscourt goats, in a grasscourt final which Djokovic never has, but he has straight-setted Djokovic in both their grasscourt encounters and holds 5 grasscourt titles, including Wimbledon, to Djokovic's 1. As for Nadal, Murray should have beaten him in their 2011 semi and would probably have beaten him this year given Nadal's obvious lack of form on grass.

To this particular question, any truly objective poster could only reply: Murray.
 
Crose said:
Please go outside, enjoy the fresh air, make some friends. I promise you'll like it.
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Fastgrass/Champions Game/Delpo Fan is just a troll because he hates Murray. He hates Murray because he hates the British (we learned this when another Indian poster translated one of his posts) and Murray is British. If Murray was French or German he wouldn't care less and we wouldn't be subjected to all his stupid, troll postings about him. Please just ignore him until the Mods get round to banning him yet again!
 
Chico said:
Heart says Djokovic, head says Murray.

However Novak could change this, with future win or two on Wimbledon.
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Statistically murray is better but all djokovic needs is a win so i agree.

I honestly think djokovic is extremely well rounded on all surfaces and whether or not he loses is depended on his mentality of the day. He can hit top spin/flat and move equally well on all surfaces. He is able to slide on grass without injuring himself which is a rare historical feat
 
Mainad said:
Fastgrass/Champions Game/Delpo Fan is just a troll because he hates Murray. He hates Murray because he hates the British (we learned this when another Indian poster translated one of his posts) and Murray is British. If Murray was French or German he wouldn't care less and we wouldn't be subjected to all his stupid, troll postings about him. Please just ignore him until the Mods get round to banning him yet again!
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It's a real shame that because this person has made a few critical threads about Andy Murray, and you are unwilling or unable to engage him in reasoned dialogue and rational debate, that you advocate his thoughts be censored from this board and his user account terminated.

Acknowledging the tremendous deficiencies in the Murray game is not something meriting suppression and redaction; it is one of the multitudes of legitimate opinions to be held by thinking tennis fans around the world. Your personal insecurities and hypersensitivity regarding Murray do not take precedence over the rights and freedoms of another human being, and most certainly do not warrant the totalitarian retaliation for which you petition.
 
Mainad said:
Fastgrass/Champions Game/Delpo Fan is just a troll because he hates Murray. He hates Murray because he hates the British (we learned this when another Indian poster translated one of his posts) and Murray is British. If Murray was French or German he wouldn't care less and we wouldn't be subjected to all his stupid, troll postings about him. Please just ignore him until the Mods get round to banning him yet again!
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The sad part is that even though I was born in Chicago, I'm of Indian descent myself..and Murray is one of my favorite players. It's just pretty disappointing that racial bias is infesting this forum. But you're right, I'll just lay off and wait for his banning.
 
TTMR said:
It's a real shame that because this person has made a few critical threads about Andy Murray, and you are unwilling or unable to engage him in reasoned dialogue and rational debate, that you advocate his thoughts be censored from this board and his user account terminated.

Acknowledging the tremendous deficiencies in the Murray game is not something meriting suppression and redaction; it is one of the multitudes of legitimate opinions to be held by thinking tennis fans around the world. Your personal insecurities and hypersensitivity regarding Murray do not take precedence over the rights and freedoms of another human being, and most certainly do not warrant the totalitarian retaliation for which you petition.
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You can try to sound as sophisticated as you want in your defense of fastgrass/delpo fan, but your argument is just wrong. The guy is constantly bashing Murray with no logical argument. It doesn't take someone with personal insecurities and hypersensitivity to be irritated by his mindless trolling and Murray-hate. All it takes is a rational tennis fan who wants to participate in intelligent discussion.
 
my opinion..well qualified by the fact I'm Scottish and a Murray one but objective well at least I think is...Murray. But not by much. Djoko has in his career attained heights that Murray quite frankly hasn't but on grass Murray seems to have a game...a 2011 djoko would be a different matter though in that instance I'd favour he Serb as the better one. Is that actually the question? Who is better? Who's hit the highest peak on grass? I'd answer Djoko to both questions. But in terms of general consistency Murray. Pretty much have similar thoughts about Nadal too. i.e. a better player with a higher peak but consistency Murray is there although perhaps less so against Nadal given he has a huge prowess there like he does everywhere.

Nadal is simply better than Murray I'm sad to say but actually he's better than everyone including Roger. Difficult to admit I know but deep down we know it's true..and even if it's not true it's almost impossible to win an argument with someone who starts a sentence with "deep down...."!!!!!!
 
TTMR said:
It's a real shame that because this person has made a few critical threads about Andy Murray, and you are unwilling or unable to engage him in reasoned dialogue and rational debate, that you advocate his thoughts be censored from this board and his user account terminated.

Acknowledging the tremendous deficiencies in the Murray game is not something meriting suppression and redaction; it is one of the multitudes of legitimate opinions to be held by thinking tennis fans around the world. Your personal insecurities and hypersensitivity regarding Murray do not take precedence over the rights and freedoms of another human being, and most certainly do not warrant the totalitarian retaliation for which you petition.
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Oh please. Stop trying to out-troll the troller. This person has already been banned twice in his 2 earlier incarnations and for exactly the same reason. He is not interested in genuine dialogue concerning Murray, only in throwing out insulting phrases and grotesque generalisations none of which he is open to rational discussion about. That is the very definition of trollism. He will soon be banned again as you very well know.

If you had bothered to read my posts, you would soon know that I am anything but a fanatical or irrational Murraytard. I am well aware of his deficiencies and weaknesses and have commented upon them many times. The difference is that I also know his strengths and abilities and any genuine critic of Murray, as opposed to the OP and yourself, would also understand and acknowledge these also.

Sometimes your own troll posts are amusing and funny. This time you are just being boring and puerile. In future, please revert to your amusing and funny side. That at least can be a source of genuine entertainment unlike the utter futility of attempting to engage with this guy.
 
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tennis_hack said:
I am inclined to say Djokovic is better than Murray, as he beat Nadal at Wimbledon whereas Murray has lost to Nadal three straight times, and would have lost to Nadal in 2011, 2012, and 2013 if they had met. If Djokovic met Nadal in these tournaments, the result would have been a coin toss as Djokovic has a fighting chance.

Although Murray heads the grass h2h against Djokovic, in this case I think their h2h against Nadal tells the more important story, so Djokovic is better than Murray on grass, imo.

What do you think?
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Why is the h2h against Nadal the be all in tennis according to some?

1) Who is a better grass court player - Roddick or Djokovic?
"Djokovic because not only he won Wimbledon he won it against Nadal"

2) Who is a better grass court player - Murray or Djokovic?
"Djokovic because he won his against Nadal in the final"

Davydenko must be some all-time hard court player, then cause a 2 game swing and he would lead Nadal 7-0 on the surface.
 
tennis_pro said:
Why is the h2h against Nadal the be all in tennis according to some?

1) Who is a better grass court player - Roddick or Djokovic?
"Djokovic because not only he won Wimbledon he won it against Nadal"

2) Who is a better grass court player - Murray or Djokovic?
"Djokovic because he won his against Nadal in the final"

Davydenko must be some all-time hard court player, then cause a 2 game swing and he would lead Nadal 7-0 on the surface.
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Would you equate taking a set of a reinvigorated Federer in the final of a Grand Slam, to defeating Nadal in the final of the same tournament? Bear in mind, the Federer being used in the example is roughly two to three years past his prime and up to 5 or 6 years past his peak.
 
murray is a better fast court player than novak who is a slow court player.

however this is only relative to their strengths. overall novak is still close on fast courts and blows him away on slow courts where murray sucks because he is a more talented player.
 
dominikk1985 said:
murray is a better fast court player than novak who is a slow court player.

however this is only relative to their strengths. overall novak is still close on fast courts and blows him away on slow courts where murray sucks because he is a more talented player.
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Murray sucks on slow courts? He made 3 AO finals in case you forgot. Not to mention multiple Miami titles.
 
TTMR said:
It's a real shame that because this person has made a few critical threads about Andy Murray, and you are unwilling or unable to engage him in reasoned dialogue and rational debate, that you advocate his thoughts be censored from this board and his user account terminated.

Acknowledging the tremendous deficiencies in the Murray game is not something meriting suppression and redaction; it is one of the multitudes of legitimate opinions to be held by thinking tennis fans around the world. Your personal insecurities and hypersensitivity regarding Murray do not take precedence over the rights and freedoms of another human being, and most certainly do not warrant the totalitarian retaliation for which you petition.
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I have ignored him. so I can't see his garbage posts.
I pity him for his childish behavior.
 
Graf=GOAT said:
Murray sucks on slow courts? He made 3 AO finals in case you forgot. Not to mention multiple Miami titles.
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maybe suck was not right. he still is a solid player there but novak usually really creams him in australia. don't forget that the AO are still probably the easiest slam to succeed in because players are still a bit rusty after the winter.

the most upsets usually happen at the AO.
 
Terenigma said:
Its obviously Murray, He's won queens 3 times on grass and he's beat Djokovic on the way to both Olympic gold and Wimbledon and has been consistantly good at Wimbledon his entire career. Beating Nadal on grass 1 time makes him better? Gimme a break.
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baby who cares that 250 event ?
nadal is 3-0 Murray on his best surface and nadal's worst.

nadal is better than Murray on any surface .
this drama queen is so much overrated .
 
Delpo Fan said:
baby who cares that 250 event ?
nadal is 3-0 Murray on his best surface and nadal's worst.

nadal is better than Murray on any surface .
this drama queen is so much overrated .
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Actually that 250 event is the best grass court tournament after Wimbledon and has produced, historically, some of the most aesthetically pleasing tennis of the entire season. The surface is faster and as such plays truer to pure grass than the current mix on Wimbledon.
 
Russeljones said:
Actually that 250 event is the best grass court tournament after Wimbledon and has produced, historically, some of the most aesthetically pleasing tennis of the entire season. The surface is faster and as such plays truer to pure grass than the current mix on Wimbledon.
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aesthetically pleasing tennis ? please explain.
though it is aesthetically good it gives 250 points not
2000.
considering Murray above nadal due to 3 fluke 250 victories
is foolish
nadal don't deserve to be compared with this mug
 
Delpo Fan said:
aesthetically pleasing tennis ? please explain.
though it is aesthetically good it gives 250 points not
2000.
considering Murray above nadal due to 3 fluke 250 victories
is foolish
nadal don't deserve to be compared with this mug
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In English, the question "is he" infers "right now". In present tense terms, right now infers the most recent grass court results. The same read as follows: Nadal got dumped out 1st round in the grass tournament Murray won comfortably in the end.

What is foolish is pretending something doesn't happen and cherry picking to inflate someone's career.
 
I say Murray but their final at Wimbledon this year wasn't a true reflection of their true abilities on this surface.
 
murray way better:
more grass tiles
beat djoker multiple times
even Federer said murray was his biggest threat at 2013 Wimbledon
he has a flat serve

in my opnion the the reason murray is so good on grass is because many have not grown up using - just as murray struggles on clay
 
Matthew Bance said:
murray way better:
more grass tiles
beat djoker multiple times
even Federer said murray was his biggest threat at 2013 Wimbledon
he has a flat serve

in my opnion the the reason murray is so good on grass is because many have not grown up using - just as murray struggles on clay
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Murray did not grow up playing on grass. There are only a handful of grasscourts in Scotland. Murray grew up playing on hards, usually indoor.
 
batz said:
Murray did not grow up playing on grass. There are only a handful of grasscourts in Scotland. Murray grew up playing on hards, usually indoor.
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And ironically spent a lot of his teenage, formative years honing his game on the clay courts of Barcelona!

I guess the British tradition of grasscourt play as symbolised by the mighty shadow of Wimbledon just comes naturally to any British player at some time or other! :)
 
Chico said:
OK Murray is better but 47 : 9 ?

Novak is really underrated here. Really.
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How is he underrated? This poll is for the question " Who is better on grass?" The obvious honest answer would be Murray. IMO people voted for Djokovic are just blinded Djokovic fans.
 
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