Who is more likely to win 1+ slams in 2020

Who is more likely to win 1+ slams in 2020?

  • Serena Williams

  • Roger Federer


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Rosstour

Hall of Fame
Fed was so close at Wimbledon last year, as close as you can be.

And he was closer than it seemed at RG as well.

He also only loses to his co-GOATs in Slam Finals and for the last five years that has just been Djokovic.

In the last two years Serena has lost four Slam finals to a much wider range of players (Kerber, Osaka, Andreescu, Halep).

Fed looks like a guy who can beat anyone except the most dominant player (and really, he should have beat him too), whereas Serena looks every bit the aged champion who just can’t get past the younger, faster generations.
 

weakera

Legend
Fed was so close at Wimbledon last year, as close as you can be.

And he was closer than it seemed at RG as well.

He also only loses to his co-GOATs in Slam Finals and for the last five years that has just been Djokovic.

In the last two years Serena has lost four Slam finals to a much wider range of players (Kerber, Osaka, Andreescu, Halep).

Fed looks like a guy who can beat anyone except the most dominant player (and really, he should have beat him too), whereas Serena looks every bit the aged champion who just can’t get past the younger, faster generations.
I agree.
 

Breakpointerer

Hall of Fame
Voted Fed but not sure. Serena has no problems making frequent appearances in Slam finals but has a problem in the actual final. Fed has a much harder time making Slam finals and has to deal with players like Nadal and Djokovic which SW doesn't . Then again, Fed was as close to winning a slam as you can possibly get this summer. Tough choice.
 

Third Serve

Hall of Fame
Voted Federer but it could go either way. He was very close at Wimbledon but it’d be hard for him to reach another final.

Serena can make some more finals for sure but I have even more doubts in her ability to win said finals. They weren’t even that close.
 

Sport

Legend
Fed was so close at Wimbledon last year, as close as you can be.

And he was closer than it seemed at RG as well.

He also only loses to his co-GOATs in Slam Finals and for the last five years that has just been Djokovic.

In the last two years Serena has lost four Slam finals to a much wider range of players (Kerber, Osaka, Andreescu, Halep).

Fed looks like a guy who can beat anyone except the most dominant player (and really, he should have beat him too), whereas Serena looks every bit the aged champion who just can’t get past the younger, faster generations.
Federer has reached 2 Slam finals in the last 2 years. Serena has reached 4 Slam finals in the last 2 years. 4 > 2. Serena reaching more finals is an argument in her favor, rather than an argument against her.
 

PeoplesChamp

Semi-Pro
Not a bad question. Federer is in better physical shape to achieve it, but has tougher obstacles in the way. Then again, all it takes is for one of them to fall at the right time where with Serena it's a more wide open field. Tough call to make. I'd say Serena solely because she can easily dominate a final if her serve is on.
 
Easily Federer.
Djokovic is the only player who is favorite against him off-clay and he is slowing down and won't stop him regularly like 2014-16.
I don't buy "he can't win outside Wimbledon" BS.

Serena on the other hand has rarely beaten players in decent form since her comeback from pregnancy
 

wang07

Rookie
Federer. Because even if Serena gets a relatively "easier" opponent in the final, there's still the mental block that she seems to have, coming from the streak of lost finals in the past couple of years. On the other side Federer would almost surely beat anyone other than Nadal or Djokovic(or Thiem at RG). But even against Djokodal he has pretty decent chances once he gets there, so it has to be Federer..
 

Sport

Legend
Nadal was the real problem there. Fed would've had a decent chance against Thiem.
Thiem was still the favorite in a hypothetical final. Federer would have had some minor chances because of his experience, but still the huge favorite for the final would be Thiem. So Nadal was not the only problem.

Paradoxically, I give more chances to Federer against Djokovic than against Thiem at RG.
 

PeoplesChamp

Semi-Pro
Thiem was still the favorite in a hypothetical final. Federer would have had chances because of his experience, but still the favorite for the final would be Thiem. So Nadal was not the only problem.

Paradoxically, I give more chances to Federer against Djokovic than against Thiem at RG.
Here on TTW I agree. Not so sure about sporting odds.
 

ibbi

Legend
Federer won 2 sets against and had 2 championship points against the world number 1 in a slam final this year. Serena hasn't won a set in her last 4 slam finals, all played against 4 different players. No logical reason to pick her in this equation.
 

JaoSousa

Semi-Pro
Something tells me that Roger is going to go out at Basel next year. I think especially after his comments about next year's AO, he is going to play practically every tournament next year. I think his best chance is either AO or Wimby 2020.
 

beard

Professional
Fed was so close at Wimbledon last year, as close as you can be.
No, it could of be 40-0 instead of 40-15, but Novak respects tradition, especially at Wimbledon ;)

And you probably thought this year, 2018 is when Anderson took his soul, but in qf, so not so close of win...
 

BorgTheGOAT

Professional
Federer was inches away of get the job done this Wimbledon. He has it harder with Nadal and Djokovic in his way. However, other than RG he has still a realistic chance everywhere. Djokovic is declining so he can get lucky and have a draw without facing him. If this happens I have him as a slight favorite over Nadal at the AO, while I have Nadal as a slight favorite over Federer at the US Open. At Wimbledon I wouldn’t completely rule out that Federer can beat both Nadal and Djokovic back to back. If Djokovic went out earlier Federer would be the huge favorite on the title even at his age. Serena has lesser competition without ATGs, but she is far more vulnerable to loose finals against upcoming players.
 

BorgTheGOAT

Professional
Check out his resume at the USO since 2008. No titles in 12 years and has failed to reach the semifinals since 2015.

Roger Federer has no "realistic chance" at the USO.
Great Champions often have a last great run in them. I agree it is less likely for him than at Wimbledon or the AO, but it is also not that he amassed first week losses here during the last years. If he does not face Djokovic or Nadal I still cannot see anyone at the moment whose winning chance I would predict as > 50%. We must not forget the devastating state of the new gen. Even against Nadal I would not rule out a Fed win even though I already admitted I see Rafa as slightly favored at the US.
 

BorgTheGOAT

Professional
Check out his resume at the USO since 2008. No titles in 12 years and has failed to reach the semifinals since 2015.
Going by this logic Rafa also hasn’t won the AO for ten years now and on top way less success here overall than Federer at the US. Nevertheless he would have won the tournament in a dominant manner last year if it wasn’t for Djokovic playing peak tennis, so you wouldn’t say that he has no realistic chances to win in 2020.
 
Federer will always be a threat at the slams until he retires. Too many players are still afraid of him. Even in RG this year he was a lock to win all the matches until the semifinals, there were no players to stop him. (yes, the match against Wawrinka was NID, let's not kid ourselves)
 

BorgTheGOAT

Professional
Let them live with their unrealistic hopes :p
Lol at unrealistic “hope”. I am not a Fed fan so I do not really care. However calling it completely unrealistic that a GOAT candidate wins another slam if said player is still playing on a level that he was 2 points away of winning a slam against another GOAT candidate few months ago, is completely ridiculous. What for instance if Nadal withdraws die to injury from this years USO (absolutely not unrealistic knowing his history) and Djokovic has another Wawrinka or Nishikori moment (also not unrealistic as he seems to decline and be the most vulnerable against next gen players), tell me who would you be so sure about to stop Federer?
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Lol at unrealistic “hope”. I am not a Fed fan so I do not really care. However calling it completely unrealistic that a GOAT candidate wins another slam if said player is still playing on a level that he was 2 points away of winning a slam against another GOAT candidate few months ago, is completely ridiculous. What for instance if Nadal withdraws die to injury from this years USO (absolutely not unrealistic knowing his history) and Djokovic has another Wawrinka or Nishikori moment (also not unrealistic as he seems to decline and be the most vulnerable against next gen players), tell me who would you be so sure about to stop Federer?
Are you talking about USO? I did.
 

clout

Hall of Fame
I chose Serena cuz I still think if she’s on, she can beat anyone on tour. They’re too many players that can beat Federer if they play well enough these days.
 

BorgTheGOAT

Professional
Are you talking about USO? I did.
Well I explicitly mentioned USO, didn’t I? Even at the French the only reason I give Fed close to zero chances is that he won’t ever beat Rafa there and Rafa close to never has any strange upset losses at the French so I cannot see Fed avoiding him on his way to a title. Take Rafa out (due to injury or another Soderling) and Federer even has realistic chances to win the French.
 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
Great Champions often have a last great run in them. I agree it is less likely for him than at Wimbledon or the AO, but it is also not that he amassed first week losses here during the last years. If he does not face Djokovic or Nadal I still cannot see anyone at the moment whose winning chance I would predict as > 50%. We must not forget the devastating state of the new gen. Even against Nadal I would not rule out a Fed win even though I already admitted I see Rafa as slightly favored at the US.
He'd need a ridiculous number of stars to align for him to win the US Open in the future.
 

Sport

Legend
Accurate picture to describe Nadal at US Open
Nadal defeated twice Djokovic at the US Open. Then he defeated a well-playing Medvedev in 2019 and Del Potro in 2017. Only 2017 was relatively weak. 2019 was normal, and 2010 and 2013 strong competition.

Federer had relatively weak draws at the USO 2004 (Hewitt), 2005 (35 years old Agassi with no mobility because of his genetic problem in the back, which caused his "duck walk") and 2006 (Roddick). At the US Open 2007 Federer beat Djokovic and at the US Open 2008 Federer beat Djokovic and Murray, so we can leave 2007 and 2008 as strong competition.

In short, 3 of Federer's USO titles had relatively weak draws, as compared with Nadal who only has 1 USO with a relatively weak draw. Even if you want to consider 2019 relatively weak because you do not like Medvedev, it is still 3 > 2.

Who is the USO "vulture" now?
 
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TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Well I explicitly mentioned USO, didn’t I? Even at the French the only reason I give Fed close to zero chances is that he won’t ever beat Rafa there and Rafa close to never has any strange upset losses at the French so I cannot see Fed avoiding him on his way to a title. Take Rafa out (due to injury or another Soderling) and Federer even has realistic chances to win the French.
I think Rafa got a much higher chance winning Wimbledon than Federer winning USO.
I don’t think I even need to explain why.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Nadal defeated twice Djokovic at the US Open. Then he defeated a well-playing Medvedev in 2019 and Del Potro in 2017. Only 2017 was relatively weak. 2019 was normal, and 2010 and 2013 strong competition.

Federer had relatively weak draws at the USO 2004 (Hewitt), 2005 (35 years old Agassi with no mobility because of his genetic problem in the back, which caused his "duck walk") and 2006 (Roddick). At the US Open 2007 Federer beat Djokovic and at the US Open 2008 Federer beat Djokovic and Murray, so we can leave 2007 and 2008 as strong competition.

In short, 3 of Federer's USO titles had relatively weak draws, as compared with Nadal who only has 1 USO with a relatively weak draw. Even if you want to consider 2019 relatively weak because you do not like Medvedev, it is still 3 > 2.

Who is the USO "vulture" now?
The wonderful bias :-D Hewitt, Roddick and Agassi are dismissed as weak, but "well playing" Medvedev is put in the strong pile.
 
The wonderful bias :-D Hewitt, Roddick and Agassi are dismissed as weak, but "well playing" Medvedev is put in the strong pile.
According to Federer fans all Nadal's USO draws (and his draws at the other slams as well) are weak, no matter who are his opponents. Of course @Sport is responding to this BS. Nobody really thinks they were all weak opponents. But Murray in 2008 final was definitely a weak opponent.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Well please do explain. Why do you consider Rafas chances to beat Federer at Wimbledon higher than Federer’s chances to beat Rafa at the US Open? Not at all obvious for me.
Federer can’t even get to the stages to play Rafa or Novak in USO, so he isn’t even in the picture to win USO.
Rafa was close beating Novak and Fed last two Wimbledon’s, who is winning Wimbledon so...
I’m not even discussing this further.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
According to Federer fans all Nadal's USO draws (and his draws at the other slams as well) are weak, no matter who are his opponents. Of course @Sport is responding to this BS. Nobody really thinks they were all weak opponents. But Murray in 2008 final was definitely a weak opponent.
Pretty sure sport believes the nonsense he writes and isn't trying to be ironic...

I mean, it's true...Nadal's USO wins have been relatively soft (in general only one decent/good opponent - by playing level), basically the opposite of his runs to the final at the AO which apart from this year have often been very tough. For me Nadal is at the two extreme ends of the spectrum, I think he's had both the toughest slam wins of the Big 3 and the easiest.

And yes Murray was below par, Djokovic was decent/good in the SF but that's it - I probably rate 2008 as Federer's weakest USO win.
 
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