Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by BULLZ1LLA2.0, Mar 10, 2012.
One and only rafaaaaael nadaaaaaaal!!!
Can we get an "Ivanisevic in 5" picture?
I chose rafa...then I realised I'm not old enough to actually remember McEnroe, let alone Connors or Laver...
What's wrong with connors?
The fact that Nadal is even thought of suprassing Laver proves this thread is not worthy for me.I quit
i'd say it's a tie between rod, jimbo and bigmac...
Hands down, it's the iron willed Iberian with the lustrous locks. He never did manage to beat Gaudio in South America (and lost a set to love to him no less), but he's a clay wizard elsewhere with the mere thought of his forehand defeating numerous opponents before they step onto court. He's reached more than one final in Madrid and supports Real even though he wasn't born in the capital, but keep in mind he does spend a lot of time in the city; the guy just loves to watch Madrid's giants lift that silverware. His match wins record on clay is so imperious it dwarfs the results of fairly accomplished countrymen like Ferrer, Ferrero, Robredo, Verdasco, and Almagro.
I speak of course of Clavet, Francisco Clavet.
Nadal is voided since he is not a natural lefty.
McEnroe wins true poll.....
Seeing as Connors is on a pathetic 8% on the ATP poll and currently has zero votes on this forum's poll, I have to go for him. He is insanely underrated.
Exactly. Yes Rafa has 10 slams but come one...the other guys in this poll are Connors, Jmac and Laver.
Obviously Goran Ivanisevic
Even money says Federer will still win this poll.
jajajajaja.Be sure about that.
I know but.. Rod Laver. Lol.
As great as laver was, Nadal is definitely better.
I didn't vote, but if wanted to I pick Laver. However, Laver doesn't have to win a poll every poll, you know?
Don't quit now since you hardly argue with Nadal fans but only with Fed fans.
Nah, it's Thomas Muster
I Disagree. Laver has TWO CYGS, and more majors, with the CYGS's being 7 years apart. Nadal's only claim to fame in comparison is 6 rg and his Career Grand Slam.
Although it must be pointed out that Laver's 1962 CYGS was amateurs only. Ken Rosewall was at the peak of his powers in the professional game that year.
Funny when Federer aces Laver in any poll, there are Federer fans who will fight tooth and nail for their decision. Even if it entails that they bash Laver.
With Nadal and Laver polls, the same people will say that Nadal beating Laver and other past pros is sacrilege
Honestly in this particularly poll it's actually closer than some may think. Because remember that in 1968 Laver was 30 and in the twilight of his career despite the fact he would win the Grand Slam in 1969.
Laver won around 80 tournaments from 1968 on with five majors. However he does get a huge bonus in winning the Grand Slam plus he won many Master Level Tournaments like the Italian Open in 1971 over Kodes. Essentially the Sidney Dunlop Open in 1970 was a major. He also won perhaps the strongest tournament in history in 1971 in the Tennis Champions Classic over 13 strong opponents. Many of them all time greats in or near their prime.
Jimmy Connors won 109 tournaments according to the ATP but it's really in the 140's. Connors also won eight majors, WCT championships, Year End Masters. Connors also won many Master Level Tournaments.
McEnroe won about 100 tournaments with seven majors. He won five WCT championships and three Year End Masters. Plus he also won many Master Level Tournament.
Nadal so far has won about 46 tournaments with 10 majors. He also won many Master Level Tournaments.
So in my opinion I would rank it as 1. Connors 2. McEnroe 3. Laver 4. Nadal.
Nadal is close to surpassing Laver in the Open Era in a few years. He is only 25.
If it was for their whole careers Laver would be number one. But we don't have any of Laver's peak physical years here.
Thing is that Jimmy Connors' record is pretty fantastic when you look at it and it was all done during the Open Era. You can make a good argument that his record is the greatest of the Open Era.
Poll are ridiculous since in a poll here Federer won over Michael Jordan on who is the better basketball player. I think Jordan right now would destroy Federer is basketball. Maybe I should start a poll whether Nadal or Federer is better than Garry Kasparov in chess. I think Federer would win the poll.
Oh my goodness, thanks for the laugh. And can't believe someone hasn't beat me to it, because after all... c'mon, from all people YOU KNOW Rafa has got the decisive H2H against the GOAT candidate...
The poll is so accurately based on facts we can hardly dispute it... right? right? :lol: :lol:
I hope you realise no one was serious about the Federer vs Jordan poll.....
I mean nobody actually thinks that :lol: (atleast I hope not for their sanity's sake)
I understand but it is funny how in serious polls Federer win in ridiculously easy fashion. Personally I think Federer would win a poll on who is the tallest tennis player also.
too hard to pick, but laver is arguably the GOAT, Mac is one of the most talented players ever and a legend and connors is one of the hardest working players ever and a legend. Despite Nadal winning 10 slams I find it hard to place him better than joint 3rd or 4th, though to be honest if Nadal or anyone is joint 3rd or 4th on that list of players, they're doing pretty good.
I have to say it's a tough call for me. Sure Laver had the CYGS, but Nadal is playing in Fed's era. I would have to go with Mac to be honest. Not on achievements of course, but just pure best left hander. At Mac's peak I don't think Laver or Nadal could challenge him under the 80s conditions.
Everything, racquet,surface, etc. Let's face it, Mac's game would not hold up at all in today's tennis.
McEnroe was incredible during his best year in 1984. He did some things that were stunning. Maybe my memory is faulty but I remember he took Lendl's FIRST serve on the rise and approached the net. He did that to Connors also but Connors didn't have as big a serve as Lendl.
I'm not going to necessarily compare the lefties but it would take a superhuman effort to be able to beat him that year. The guy was 82-3. He won 65.32% of his games for the year. If you don't think that's a big deal understand that the best Federer has done is be around 61%. One percentage difference is huge and McEnroe was 4% higher than Federer in his best year. He slaughtered a lot of top players that year.
Not that he's as good as the other four but Guillermo Vilas wasn't a bad lefty either. His year in 1977 was super. There's also a debate in the Former Player's forum on whether Vilas or Borg had the best year in 1977.
I had to vote Laver. Laver is the only genuine left handed candidate for GOAT Connors, Mac and Nadal are just a notch below.
Lendl destroyed Mac's GOAT candidacy.
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I don't know about the best but Rios and Arazi were definitely the coolest of the bunch.
I think you place too much emphasis on the no of tournaments ( including mickey-mouse ones with depleted fields ) ...The most important thing are the major tournaments .......Nadal could probably win mickey mouse tournaments on clay at 40+ years of age at will !
Post 68, Laver's achievements are lesser than those of the other 3 overall ....Overall he's comfortably ahead of the other 3 though.
Connors record isn't anywhere close to being the greatest in the Open era. Federer, Borg and Sampras comfortably surpass him. Arguably Nadal, Lendl, Mac too ...
Connors has longevity, beating all his biggest rivals on the biggest stages, and a consistency that is amongst the greatest of all time, certainly the best in the open era. Connors won 98 matches at the US Open and 84 matches at Wimbledon.
^^that is absolurely crazy, that last sentence.
Well, in GS terms, Nadal is just one behind of Laver ( not counting Pro Slams, of course).And he has already surpassed Mc Enroe and Connors.
But, those 3 players, Mac,Connors,Rod belong to the GE of tennis : it is umpossible to compare eras like that...still, from 2000 onwards, no doubt Nadal is the best left handed just as Federer is the best right handed.Without any kind of question.
Carlos Moya cos he fooled everyone into thinking that he is a rightie
Oh yes, I forgot Orantes ! Great player, and Grand Slam winner + finalist.
leconte in the list... but what about tanner ?
(but the most important is to have goran...)
Ya only one is credible since the other one was as an amateur. Not only that, when he won, 3 of the 4 slams were on grass so his CYGS is not as impressive. With that Nadal has more slams, the career grand slam(on different surfaces) and was able to do all this in the same years as the GOAT(Federer).
5. Guillermo Vilas
Tony Roche was even greater, IMO.
Nadal has "0" "Slams." Although, he did come close in 2010. Even if you disqualify Laver's pre-pro Grand Slam and major titles, you have to count his pro majors and pro Grand Slam in 1967. In addition, Laver's best surface happened to be hard courts. The fact that 3 of the 4 majors were on grass makes Laver's accomplishments all the more impressive.
And Nadal's 2010 was better than Laver's best years, because the slams Nadal won were on 3 different surfaces. Laver never got the chance to prove he could do that. Nobody has ever done that apart from Nadal.
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