Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Gonzo_style, Mar 29, 2013.
We know that Djokovic is the worst (at least in top 5)
Davy should be, his game is perfect for it.
I second that.
Rafter was the best of his generation, according to Pat Cash, but it's nothing to be proud of.
From Pat Cash's autobiography:
"Australian players clearly have a problem with their wind. Rafter was a notorious culprit; he incensed the fastidiously clean Andre Agassi by visiting his particular corner in the locker room and, well fed and determined to pollute the atmosphere, letting rip. Agassi furiously demanded a bit of respect from Rafter, but was promptly told where to go – and that, believe me, was why there was always a certain edge to their many confrontations."
Murray USO 2012 Semi vs Berdych. perfect example.
Nadal is a good wind player. Doesn't effect his serve and he plays with bigger margins, more topspin which the wind gets hold of and causes headaches for his opponent.
Nadal is pretty good.
Federer can either play incredibly well on windy days or he can play like crap. That match in Miami against Djokovic in 2009 was played under very windy conditions and Federer dealt with the conditions much worse than Djokovic.
And then on the other side, Federer can play like a boss in windy conditions. Some great performances: he outplayed Agassi in 40-50 mph wind at the 2004 USO and beating Nadal at IW last year.
I say Nadal topspin in windy conditions would be IMPOSSIBLE.
It's Andrew "windray" Murray!
Nadal has the perfect game to play in the wind, because of his heavy top-spin. He doesn't really need to adapt much, while everyone else does.
Actually, Djokovic has a couple of wins in windy conditions vs top 10
Monte Carlo 2012-Berdych
I'll try to find more
Windray (i.e., USO 2012 winner).
Nadal is a decent wind player.
He certainly looked decent when he was podgering Andy 'The Last Airbender' Murray in a very windy 2009 IW final.
Probably Nadal. I would 100% sure if it wasn't for the memory of Federer beating him at 2012 Indian Wells, where Nadal played abysmally in the wind by his standards.
Depends on who eats what before the match
Well, Nadal for obvious reasons.
The players who have the biggest problem in the wind are players with high ball tosses on serves (Berdych, Isner, Roddick), or defensive players who block the ball back and don't use AS MUCH much topspin (Djoker, Murray, Tsonga, Simon, Ferrer) and the ball sails on them. Nadal and Fed are probably the best, with a slight advantage to Nadal. Aggressive topspin tennis and average to lower ball tosses rule the roost in truly windy conditions. The last thing a pusher wants to see is heavy wind, because he knows his chances of winning just dropped tremendously. I love playing pushers in the wind. Forget about lobs and dinks because the wind plays too much havoc.
I third that.
Andre was the best wind player IMO.
I still cannot believe how some players actually pull it of to play a decent or good match under some heavy windy conditions.
Just a slight wind is enough to derail my play completely, spraying balls all over the court.
Must be my poor footwork I guess
berdych has a very high ball toss when serving. the wind kills his serves, even though his groundstrokes are usually not affected so much.
Agreed. Just watch the semi-final of the US Open last year. It literally killed his game.
Nadal is a good wind player. He can play his natural game in windy conditions. Like you said nole is pretty bad in the wind.
agree, wind makes him look like Volandri
rafa got thrashed by federer of all people last year at indian wells in the wind. the wind adversely affects his big take backs more than his high percentage top spin play can compensate for.
See, this is why you should leave the boards. You don't actually watch tennis at all. He got beat because he was playing flat. He's won in wind plenty of times over the years. IW 2009 comes to mind, and I believe was mentioned earlier in this thread.
Just becasue Fed kicked his ass once doesn't make him a bad player in wind. Just a poor player that match. Just like Federer, overall, is an excellent wind player but has had matches where his game totally falls apart in wind. Same with Agassi, same with Murray.
i was dispelling the notion that rafa is the best wind player of the top 4. he isnt.
Mats Wilander was great under windy conditions.Borg, too.
But not as great as Mr Spencer Gore.Ot shall I say Lord Spencer Gore?
also, with my first response in mind, lets take ourselves back to that match last year. rafa was playing at an average rafa level, which, at most times, is enough to beat federer. during the final, rafa seemingly played badly because federer was able to utilize the wind to his advantage and not let it get in his head. something rafa wasn't able to do because of the conditions and because of what federer was doing.
federer took the ball early when he could and reacted quickly when he needed to. rafa employed percentage play, which at first would seem like the smart thing to do when playing in the wind, but not in the unpredictable, swirling stadium wind they played in. but who could blame him, it works 2/3 of the time against federer. the combination of federer taking time away from him, the wind's unpredictable behavior, and rafa's decision to hang back and play percentages while federer dictated play took away up rafa's rhythm (integral to rafa's play) and took away the time rafa needs to set up his strokes.
Nadal I think
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