Who is the more talented player - Jack Sock or Fabio Fognini?

Harry_Wild

G.O.A.T.
Who is more talented?
Right now, I have to say Fabio! He is just plain more talented then Sock and can beat any and all players, if he can control his emotions during the match. Sock is just one dimensional, with his forehand weapon and 1st serve! Fabio has the ability to use tactics to win where Sock does not!
 

President

Legend
How is this even a question? Sock cant even hit BHs while Fabio can generate winners from every angle from every position.
Sock won a Masters also and made the semifinals of the ATP Finals, so its not as bad a comparison as you made it seem. Plus Jack's monumental doubles skills.
 

Kralingen

Legend
Fognini is just a dime a dozen baseline bot. Yeah he can hit a nice groundstroke but he uses a WTA shovel backhand. Would be nothing without poly and slow courts, etc etc etc.

Sock is a real attacking player with amazing hands and volleying. Plus plays DOUBLES.

should be an easy choice for the purists of TTW, right?

(Or, are baseline bots only untalented when it’s Murray, Djokovic or a NextGen player :unsure:)
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Fognini is just a dime a dozen baseline bot. Yeah he can hit a nice groundstroke but he uses a WTA shovel backhand. Would be nothing without poly and slow courts, etc etc etc.

Sock is a real attacking player with amazing hands and volleying. Plus plays DOUBLES.

should be an easy choice for the purists of TTW, right?

(Or, are baseline bots only untalented when it’s Murray, Djokovic or a NextGen player :unsure:)
97 Martinka would beat all of them anyway.
 

Martin J

Hall of Fame
Sock won a Masters also and made the semifinals of the ATP Finals, so its not as bad a comparison as you made it seem. Plus Jack's monumental doubles skills.
Fognini has achieved all his success with that atrocious serve, which says a lot about his talent (off the ground anyway) and he is a solid doubles player as well (after all, he won a Major in Australia). Now, if you consider having a big serve a talent, fair enough - it's not a bad comparison. But I would still rate Fog higher (talent-wise) due to his ball-striking abilities. The guy is (or can be when he's on) one of the cleanest ballstriker on today's Tour and that requires enormous talent and hand-eye coordination as well.
 

tudwell

Legend
I think it's basically a wash. They both have one area where they really shine – Fognini's a pretty great ballstriker when he's actually moving his feet and Sock has pretty deft hands for volleys, slices, and other touch shots – but the rest of their games are pretty unremarkable. (Well, I guess the amount of spin Sock creates is pretty remarkable, but what he actually does with it isn't.)
 

BGod

Legend
He had a freak injury to his thumb while training. Dude was a top-10 player once, people seem to think he just stopped caring. He didn't; he was injured.
Yeah and Dimitrov was a YE #3, shiz so was Raonic.

Sock in actuality was a Top 20 player for one season, that can be said of a lot of players historically. Yes the injury contributed to his decline but he wasn't exactly a prime contender. The lone Masters title is consistently brought up as one of the weakest in history since the tour level integration (he got Krajinovic because of a Nadal withdraw and an upset over Isner). The WTF follow-up saw him beating 20 year old Zverev and Cilic in tight 3 setters and he should get credit for that, but yeah....
 

Rosstour

Legend
Yeah and Dimitrov was a YE #3, shiz so was Raonic.

Sock in actuality was a Top 20 player for one season, that can be said of a lot of players historically. Yes the injury contributed to his decline but he wasn't exactly a prime contender. The lone Masters title is consistently brought up as one of the weakest in history since the tour level integration (he got Krajinovic because of a Nadal withdraw and an upset over Isner). The WTF follow-up saw him beating 20 year old Zverev and Cilic in tight 3 setters and he should get credit for that, but yeah....
I saw him give Rafa hell in DC this year. That match was incredible and winnable for Sack.

You think bringing up Grigor as some kind of weak-era #3 is going to fly with a guy with Grigor in his signature? Grigor is a great player and one of many players who'd have had a solid career without B3.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
He had a freak injury to his thumb while training. Dude was a top-10 player once, people seem to think he just stopped caring. He didn't; he was injured.

These guys are both freakish ballstrikers but I think Foggo is a bit more of an artist?
Yeah I think it comes much easier to Baenini for sure. Just think people forget Jack is really good too
 

sredna42

Hall of Fame
I think it's basically a wash. They both have one area where they really shine – Fognini's a pretty great ballstriker when he's actually moving his feet and Sock has pretty deft hands for volleys, slices, and other touch shots – but the rest of their games are pretty unremarkable. (Well, I guess the amount of spin Sock creates is pretty remarkable, but what he actually does with it isn't.)
Dude. Fognini has beaten Nadal from 2 sets down.
Plz stop posting.
 

tudwell

Legend
Dude. Fognini has beaten Nadal from 2 sets down.
Plz stop posting.
Yeah, "Nadal." Fognini dropped serve like four consecutive times in that fifth set, he just got lucky Nadal dropped serve five consecutive times. There's no way two top male pros play a set like that (off clay) if they're even playing average, let alone well. A fun match all-around with a great highlight reel, but hardly irrefutable proof of Fognini's prowess.
 

emit520

New User
Jack is definitely a more accomplished doubles player but I wouldn't underate Fabio's doubles skills either. Have to consider the fact that Fabio has a doubles grand slam title as well (2015 AO) where they beat some considerable teams as well making the world tour finals for doubles later that year. Yes his doubles resume is definitely lacking compared to Sock's but you gotta take into account how Jack has also played a significantly larger amount of doubles along with playing with generally more talent doubles players, all the while Fognini was focusing on singles.
 

toby55555

Hall of Fame
Net game and serve: Jack.

Rest: Fog.
I don't rate Sock's serve for singles, he didn't get many easy service games and didn't have a big flat serve, there was always an element of kick. Great hands though, arguably top 10 doubles player of all time despite often staying back on serve to unleash his forehand which was so hard to volley against.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
Fognini comes from the Nalbandian/Rios lineage of clean, effortless shotmakers.

Sock....idk, he distracted Fed with his ushiro?
 

Jack the Hack

Hall of Fame
My immediate reaction was that Fabio's shotmaking and speed passes the eye test for someone that is more talented. However, the results don't quite add up. Sock is 5 years younger and if you asked me to choose which career I'd rather have based on the results, I'd probably choose Sock's resume because of the multiple doubles Slam titles (2 Wimbledons, 2 US Open - men's + mixed) and the Olympic gold medal. Here's a comparison:

Fabio: Career high #9 in singles, #7 in doubles. 9 career singles titles (1 M1000, 1 500, and 7 250s) and 5 career doubles titles (Australian Open and 4 250s). Best singles slam performance was one QF at the French Open. Fabio has 15 career victories against top 10 ranked players, including 4 wins over Nadal.

Sock: Career high #8 in singles, #2 in doubles. 4 career singles titles (1 M1000 and 3 250s), 15 career men's doubles titles (2 Wimbledons, 1 US Open, 1 ATP WTF, 3 M1000, 2 500s, and 6 250s), and 2 mixed doubles titles (US Open and Olympic Gold Medal). Sock also has an Olympic Bronze medal in doubles and was the US Open junior singles champion. Best singles slam performance was a 4th round at the French Open and at the US Open. Sock has 9 career wins over top 10 ranked players, with the best probably being over Thiem, Cilic, and Zverev.

Who's resume would you rather have?
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
My immediate reaction was that Fabio's shotmaking and speed passes the eye test for someone that is more talented. However, the results don't quite add up. Sock is 5 years younger and if you asked me to choose which career I'd rather have based on the results, I'd probably choose Sock's resume because of the multiple doubles Slam titles (2 Wimbledons, 2 US Open - men's + mixed) and the Olympic gold medal. Here's a comparison:

Fabio: Career high #9 in singles, #7 in doubles. 9 career singles titles (1 M1000, 1 500, and 7 250s) and 5 career doubles titles (Australian Open and 4 250s). Best singles slam performance was one QF at the French Open. Fabio has 15 career victories against top 10 ranked players, including 4 wins over Nadal.

Sock: Career high #8 in singles, #2 in doubles. 4 career singles titles (1 M1000 and 3 250s), 15 career men's doubles titles (2 Wimbledons, 1 US Open, 1 ATP WTF, 3 M1000, 2 500s, and 6 250s), and 2 mixed doubles titles (US Open and Olympic Gold Medal). Sock also has an Olympic Bronze medal in doubles and was the US Open junior singles champion. Best singles slam performance was a 4th round at the French Open and at the US Open. Sock has 9 career wins over top 10 ranked players, with the best probably being over Thiem, Cilic, and Zverev.

Who's resume would you rather have?
He asked about raw talent, not career resume. Ferrer and Nalbandian had arguably equal achievements but any eye test could determine that Nalbandian was a massively underrated talent.

Sock is obviously better in doubles, though.
 

Jack the Hack

Hall of Fame
He asked about raw talent, not career resume. Ferrer and Nalbandian had arguably equal achievements but any eye test could determine that Nalbandian was a massively underrated talent.

Sock is obviously better in doubles, though.
Yeah, I understand that. Like I said, it seems like Fabio has more raw talent based on how pretty his groundstrokes are. However, if Fabio is so much more talented than Sock, how come his results aren't vastly better than Jack's, especially since Fognini has been on tour for 5 years longer, and Sock's been the one to miss significant amounts of time off tour because of injuries?

In my mind, both players are under-achievers due to somewhat questionable work ethic and attitude at times. Both guys are prone to anger issues and losing focus in matches that they should win. Also, Sock has been pretty unlucky with the kind of injuries he's had.

To me, given the limitations that they both share in their mentalities, the level of results that Sock has achieved in less time points to him being the superior raw talent. Plus, Sock is 6'3" while Fabio is 5'10". Sock has some of the fastest racquet head speed and spin ever recorded on the forehand. He clearly serves bigger than Fabio, and when it comes to volleys and touch shots, Sock seems to be better there as well. Fabio is faster around the court and has way nicer backhand mechanics, but is he a better athlete and overall tennis player?
 
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