Who is the more talented player - Jack Sock or Fabio Fognini?
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ghostofMecir
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How is this even a question? Sock cant even hit BHs while Fabio can generate winners from every angle from every position.
Harry_Wild
G.O.A.T.
Right now, I have to say Fabio! He is just plain more talented then Sock and can beat any and all players, if he can control his emotions during the match. Sock is just one dimensional, with his forehand weapon and 1st serve! Fabio has the ability to use tactics to win where Sock does not!
CosmosMpower
Hall of Fame
Singles Fabio, doubles Sock
The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
President
Legend
Sock won a Masters also and made the semifinals of the ATP Finals, so its not as bad a comparison as you made it seem. Plus Jack's monumental doubles skills.
MichaelNadal
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Look at dad lol
BeatlesFan
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BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Um... Fabster also won a Masters at Monte Carlo where he destroyed Rata in the semis. And MC is a hell of a lot more prestigious than crappy Paris that mug Sock won beating a bunch of nobodies.
norcal
Legend
Yup. Sock way ahead on net play, Fabs way ahead on backhand and court coverage.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
poster you replied to never said he didn'tUm... Fabster also won a Masters at Monte Carlo where he destroyed Rata in the semis. And MC is a hell of a lot more prestigious than crappy Paris that mug Sock won beating a bunch of nobodies.
ichaseballs
Professional
on clay... no doubt fabio
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Don't underestimate Charlotte bae
Kralingen
Talk Tennis Guru
Fognini is just a dime a dozen baseline bot. Yeah he can hit a nice groundstroke but he uses a WTA shovel backhand. Would be nothing without poly and slow courts, etc etc etc.
Sock is a real attacking player with amazing hands and volleying. Plus plays DOUBLES.
should be an easy choice for the purists of TTW, right?
(Or, are baseline bots only untalented when it’s Murray, Djokovic or a NextGen player)
Sock is a real attacking player with amazing hands and volleying. Plus plays DOUBLES.
should be an easy choice for the purists of TTW, right?
(Or, are baseline bots only untalented when it’s Murray, Djokovic or a NextGen player
)
mike danny
Bionic Poster
97 Martinka would beat all of them anyway.Fognini is just a dime a dozen baseline bot. Yeah he can hit a nice groundstroke but he uses a WTA shovel backhand. Would be nothing without poly and slow courts, etc etc etc.
Sock is a real attacking player with amazing hands and volleying. Plus plays DOUBLES.
should be an easy choice for the purists of TTW, right?
(Or, are baseline bots only untalented when it’s Murray, Djokovic or a NextGen player
Martin J
Hall of Fame
Fognini has achieved all his success with that atrocious serve, which says a lot about his talent (off the ground anyway) and he is a solid doubles player as well (after all, he won a Major in Australia). Now, if you consider having a big serve a talent, fair enough - it's not a bad comparison. But I would still rate Fog higher (talent-wise) due to his ball-striking abilities. The guy is (or can be when he's on) one of the cleanest ballstriker on today's Tour and that requires enormous talent and hand-eye coordination as well.
I think it's basically a wash. They both have one area where they really shine – Fognini's a pretty great ballstriker when he's actually moving his feet and Sock has pretty deft hands for volleys, slices, and other touch shots – but the rest of their games are pretty unremarkable. (Well, I guess the amount of spin Sock creates is pretty remarkable, but what he actually does with it isn't.)
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
I think Jack could have done better tbh
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
He had a freak injury to his thumb while training. Dude was a top-10 player once, people seem to think he just stopped caring. He didn't; he was injured.
These guys are both freakish ballstrikers but I think Foggo is a bit more of an artist?
coolcamden
Hall of Fame
Jack Sock and talented. Is that an oxymoron?
BGod
G.O.A.T.
Yeah and Dimitrov was a YE #3, shiz so was Raonic.
Sock in actuality was a Top 20 player for one season, that can be said of a lot of players historically. Yes the injury contributed to his decline but he wasn't exactly a prime contender. The lone Masters title is consistently brought up as one of the weakest in history since the tour level integration (he got Krajinovic because of a Nadal withdraw and an upset over Isner). The WTF follow-up saw him beating 20 year old Zverev and Cilic in tight 3 setters and he should get credit for that, but yeah....
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
I saw him give Rafa hell in DC this year. That match was incredible and winnable for Sack.
You think bringing up Grigor as some kind of weak-era #3 is going to fly with a guy with Grigor in his signature? Grigor is a great player and one of many players who'd have had a solid career without B3.
Topspin 365
Rookie
All talent right here:
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Yeah I think it comes much easier to Baenini for sure. Just think people forget Jack is really good too
sredna42
Hall of Fame
Sock isn't even in Velvet Fog's league. This thread is surely some kind of troll
sredna42
Hall of Fame
Dude. Fognini has beaten Nadal from 2 sets down.
Plz stop posting.
ichaseballs
Professional
Yeah, "Nadal." Fognini dropped serve like four consecutive times in that fifth set, he just got lucky Nadal dropped serve five consecutive times. There's no way two top male pros play a set like that (off clay) if they're even playing average, let alone well. A fun match all-around with a great highlight reel, but hardly irrefutable proof of Fognini's prowess.
RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
Socks talent is underrated due to his typically subpar fitness
Jack is definitely a more accomplished doubles player but I wouldn't underate Fabio's doubles skills either. Have to consider the fact that Fabio has a doubles grand slam title as well (2015 AO) where they beat some considerable teams as well making the world tour finals for doubles later that year. Yes his doubles resume is definitely lacking compared to Sock's but you gotta take into account how Jack has also played a significantly larger amount of doubles along with playing with generally more talent doubles players, all the while Fognini was focusing on singles.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Net game and serve: Jack.
Rest: Fog.
Rest: Fog.
toby55555
Hall of Fame
I don't rate Sock's serve for singles, he didn't get many easy service games and didn't have a big flat serve, there was always an element of kick. Great hands though, arguably top 10 doubles player of all time despite often staying back on serve to unleash his forehand which was so hard to volley against.
Jack the Hack
Hall of Fame
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What about that huge and heavy Sock forehand? Most topspin on tour and a lot of pace to boot.
Jack the Hack
Hall of Fame
My immediate reaction was that Fabio's shotmaking and speed passes the eye test for someone that is more talented. However, the results don't quite add up. Sock is 5 years younger and if you asked me to choose which career I'd rather have based on the results, I'd probably choose Sock's resume because of the multiple doubles Slam titles (2 Wimbledons, 2 US Open - men's + mixed) and the Olympic gold medal. Here's a comparison:
Fabio: Career high #9 in singles, #7 in doubles. 9 career singles titles (1 M1000, 1 500, and 7 250s) and 5 career doubles titles (Australian Open and 4 250s). Best singles slam performance was one QF at the French Open. Fabio has 15 career victories against top 10 ranked players, including 4 wins over Nadal.
Sock: Career high #8 in singles, #2 in doubles. 4 career singles titles (1 M1000 and 3 250s), 15 career men's doubles titles (2 Wimbledons, 1 US Open, 1 ATP WTF, 3 M1000, 2 500s, and 6 250s), and 2 mixed doubles titles (US Open and Olympic Gold Medal). Sock also has an Olympic Bronze medal in doubles and was the US Open junior singles champion. Best singles slam performance was a 4th round at the French Open and at the US Open. Sock has 9 career wins over top 10 ranked players, with the best probably being over Thiem, Cilic, and Zverev.
Who's resume would you rather have?
Fabio: Career high #9 in singles, #7 in doubles. 9 career singles titles (1 M1000, 1 500, and 7 250s) and 5 career doubles titles (Australian Open and 4 250s). Best singles slam performance was one QF at the French Open. Fabio has 15 career victories against top 10 ranked players, including 4 wins over Nadal.
Sock: Career high #8 in singles, #2 in doubles. 4 career singles titles (1 M1000 and 3 250s), 15 career men's doubles titles (2 Wimbledons, 1 US Open, 1 ATP WTF, 3 M1000, 2 500s, and 6 250s), and 2 mixed doubles titles (US Open and Olympic Gold Medal). Sock also has an Olympic Bronze medal in doubles and was the US Open junior singles champion. Best singles slam performance was a 4th round at the French Open and at the US Open. Sock has 9 career wins over top 10 ranked players, with the best probably being over Thiem, Cilic, and Zverev.
Who's resume would you rather have?
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
He asked about raw talent, not career resume. Ferrer and Nalbandian had arguably equal achievements but any eye test could determine that Nalbandian was a massively underrated talent.
Sock is obviously better in doubles, though.
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Nuclear
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wtf lol, you ok?
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Nuclear
Guest
Sock's forehand is more inefficient than Goku's super saiyan 3 form.
Kawasaki Kanagawa
Professional
Testa di cazzo vs dick head...
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
SS3 is epic lol
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Nuclear
Guest
burns through stamina like Great Ape form, all for hairstyle points lol
Jack the Hack
Hall of Fame
Yeah, I understand that. Like I said, it seems like Fabio has more raw talent based on how pretty his groundstrokes are. However, if Fabio is so much more talented than Sock, how come his results aren't vastly better than Jack's, especially since Fognini has been on tour for 5 years longer, and Sock's been the one to miss significant amounts of time off tour because of injuries?
In my mind, both players are under-achievers due to somewhat questionable work ethic and attitude at times. Both guys are prone to anger issues and losing focus in matches that they should win. Also, Sock has been pretty unlucky with the kind of injuries he's had.
To me, given the limitations that they both share in their mentalities, the level of results that Sock has achieved in less time points to him being the superior raw talent. Plus, Sock is 6'3" while Fabio is 5'10". Sock has some of the fastest racquet head speed and spin ever recorded on the forehand. He clearly serves bigger than Fabio, and when it comes to volleys and touch shots, Sock seems to be better there as well. Fabio is faster around the court and has way nicer backhand mechanics, but is he a better athlete and overall tennis player?
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
If players had Saiyan forms, Nadal has definitely been SS3 since 2018 lol. Epic but tires fast
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