Who is the most inspirational member of the Big 3 on a personal level ?

Who is the most inspirational member of the Big 3 on a personal level ?


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lol, you really are tiring!
You are absolutely correct. But in this one case I agree with her and not with you. I think people who have reasonably mastered English tend to be very arrogant about English. Some of us have struggled with a second language we have learned way later in life and understand how difficult that can be.
 
Djoko has set most of the major new records since Fed retired. And he really did not start beating him h2h until Fed was 30+

Beating Fed at the peak of his dominance is a lot more impressive than waiting until he's 30+ and then breaking all his records once he's retired

Novak deserves full credit for dethroning Nadal, though. He looked like he was unstoppable and then he got stopped. I became a fan of his then

Waiting? Who waited ? Nobody has the luxury to wait. You make it sound like Djokovic was taking time off from the tour until federer got old or something like that ? Djoker, Wawrinka, Murray were all pre peak in 2000s and they were slower to progress than Nadal, so obviously they were finding their way around. It is too sour to say they were waiting, they were not waiting, nobody waits for anyone. Hence even Federer never waited for Djokovic to catch up, he tried everything to hold on to his 15 slams lead but that got chased.

And no you dont need to tell me whether Fed was 30+ or Nole broke records after Fed retired... because I am not even looking at that, I only look at the big picture.... the big picture is Fed displayed weakness throught his career on many occasions even when he was the leader and his successor is a guy who has only displayed strength of will throughout his career.... so I see that a correct guy succeeded Fed.... I dont see the rest of the technical details because they are not important....
 
You are absolutely correct. But in this one case I agree with her and not with you. I think people who have reasonably mastered English tend to be very arrogant about English. Some of us have struggled with a second language we have learned way later in life and understand how difficult that can be.
Learning a second language is very difficult if you learn it later in life. No doubt. But that’s one of the reasons parents all over the world try to make sure their kids learn English at a young age. For those with the financial means that includes sending them to schools that are fully bilingual (ie, not just that they teach English as a second language but that you learn many topics - such as history or math- in English as well) or send them to travel abroad. A common approach for many people in this situation is to go to work as young adults in an English speaking country.

This has only grown in importance over time because English truly is the world’s lingua franca. Which is why I find it surprising that someone from a wealthy family that began such an international career at a young age has such little grasp of the language. I suspect part of the reason has to do with Spain itself and its historical approach to foreign languages. Northern Europeans are much more immersed in English.
 
Some of us have struggled with a second language we have learned way later in life and understand how difficult that can be.

Teach a kid any number of languages from the kindergarten level and he/she will absorb it .... But if you are 18-20 and then starting to learn something, you could struggle.
 
Novak stands up against woke Marxist totalitarian oppression and fights for the guys on the bottom

You won’t see gov yes men doing this as they don’t have the spine necessary for it and are too greedy.

He came back and shut everyone up on top of it all, but there’s another election coming up so get ready for the next round of BS

I hope Novak goes full Mad Max then
 
Nadal definitely doesn't speak English as much or as openly as other players. Pretty much his whole team is Spanish too.

Either way his English is good enough.
True. Members of Rafa team speak as their first language: Mallorqui (Rafa & Moya), Catalan (Marc Lopez, Carlos Costa) and Spanish (Benito Perez-Barbadillo, Gustavo Marcaccio). Rafa speaks Malloqui, Catalan, Spanish, he doesn't need English to communicate with the members of his team.
His friends on the ATP Tour have been Malloqui, Catalan or Spanish speakers; Carlos Moya became his mentor when he joined the ATP Tour at age 15. So, he needs a little English on the Tour - just for on-court interviews and press conferences.
 
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he needs a little English on the Tour - just for on-court interviews and press conferences.
He needed English to interact with the audience, that's why he put effort to learn it. His catalan or mallorqui sounds good on paper but in reality it is English that is needed to market himself worldwide.....even Alcaraz is working on his English speaking skills for a reason
 
Waiting? Who waited ? Nobody has the luxury to wait. You make it sound like Djokovic was taking time off from the tour until federer got old or something like that ?

Meaning, their H2H was dead even until AO16, after that Djoko won 4-5 to take the h2h edge 27-23

Djoko was not conclusively the better player until Fed was 34-35, despite being six years younger
 
You are absolutely correct. But in this one case I agree with her and not with you. I think people who have reasonably mastered English tend to be very arrogant about English. Some of us have struggled with a second language we have learned way later in life and understand how difficult that can be.

It's not arrogance to point out Nadal doesn't have an affinity for languages as evidenced by his hilarious broken english after so many years on tour. It's just a plain fact, obvious to anyone not in love with the guy.
Doesn't mean Nadal is stupid, there are many different types of intelligence, he's just bad at learning languages.
All of the big 3 have flaws that easily observed, Novak is great at learning languages but has some cuckoo beliefs (emotions purifying water and whatnot), Fed does great interviews but self-admittedly doesn't read books at all and could be very stubborn when it came to on-court strategies as a player etc.
No need for this ridiculous idolatry where we're gonna spend 25 pages excusing Nadal for his crappy english.
 
He needed English to interact with the audience, that's why he put effort to learn it. His catalan or mallorqui sounds good on paper but in reality it is English that is needed to market himself worldwide.....even Alcaraz is working on his English speaking skills for a reason
Rafa needs only a few sentences in English "to interact with the audience." He markets himself worldwide by playing good tennis, not by talking.
 
It's not arrogance to point out Nadal doesn't have an affinity for languages as evidenced by his hilarious broken english after so many years on tour. It's just a plain fact, obvious to anyone not in love with the guy.
Doesn't mean Nadal is stupid, there are many different types of intelligence, he's just bad at learning languages.
All of the big 3 have flaws that easily observed, Novak is great at learning languages but has some cuckoo beliefs (emotions purifying water and whatnot), Fed does great interviews but self-admittedly doesn't read books at all and could be very stubborn when it came to on-court strategies as a player etc.
No need for this ridiculous idolatry where we're gonna spend 25 pages excusing Nadal for his crappy english.
Speaking English certainly doesn't mean that the speaker is intelligent. Rafa bashers who have constantly trash talking him have proved it.
 
okay, I meant his mannerisms and quirky joking attitude during interviews are American. Actually, his accent is far less than a UK person, Aussie, or South African and he doesn't sound like an eastern European like Doncic, Jokic, or Djokovic.
Brits and Americans love Fed more than their own star players because he's kind of a suave James Bond of tennis and says the right things plus he'll shed some tears quite easy. Bring a tissue box with you if you interview the guy. I heard a few minutes of his "last 12 days" documentary and he sounded like he was smoking or had no sleep. Maybe that's the Euro sounding part you mentioned.
I watched part of that today. I watched until there were 2 days left. Didn't feel like getting all teary eyed. I'll watch it later. It says it was a personal film, not for the public. Wonder why he decided to go public with it? Overall, it was interesting, but a little over indulgent for me.
 
He needed English to interact with the audience, that's why he put effort to learn it. His catalan or mallorqui sounds good on paper but in reality it is English that is needed to market himself worldwide.....even Alcaraz is working on his English speaking skills for a reason
I noticed that about Alcaraz at one of his after match on court interviews. He has definitely improved.
 
I'll preface this by saying, you shouldn't have a sportsperson, least of all a tennis player, as your personal idol, and that I disagree with a lot of Djokovic's opinions outside of tennis.

But on a personal level, between these three, it's Djokovic. This man had to overcome some incredible odds to make it to the top of the game. His story is one of pure grit and determination, and recent events have only solidified this. Nadal is a distant second; he is a great fighter on the court but seems to have a more laissez-faire attitude towards life outside of tennis, which I like.

Fed doesn't even come close. He is a darling of the establishment who's always had everything handed to him on a silver platter. He was anointed as the GOAT by some long before he even had the credentials to back that up. That's just not a compelling journey to me personally.
 
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On a personal level, it's Federer for me. That guy made me want to go out and actually hit balls. And being a guy who hits a one-hander, I've always naturally gravitated towards players who have/do hit one-handers. How Federer played the game, at least from an aesthetics standpoint, can't be taught. Sure, Nadal and Djokovic had other things in their games that overcame Roger, but Fed inspired me the most to want to go out and play the game.
 
true but djokovic has no business being in a poll of this sort. what does he inspire people to do? yell at ballkids, cheat on his wife, & invade countries that have vax laws?
When a person takes pot shots at another person's character based on unsubstantiated rumors, it reflects more poorly on the former than the latter.
 
Andre Agassi, between "hate" and love of tennis.
He is more relatable than any of the big 3 to many people in the world.
 
Wrong. Foreign languages have always been taught at European regular schools.
Foreign languages as a separate subject in schools yes, with all other subjects being taught in the native language. However, schools where ALL subjects are taught in English (international schools) is a relatively new thing, at least here in Germany. Also there are Kindergarten where they speak English with the kids, that definitely did NOT exist when I was a kid.
A person doesn't have to perfectly speak foreign languages to travel
I think the point is more that if someone travels the world from a young age on and is exposed to English daily you would expect him to learn it better than Rafa is able to speak.
 
Meaning, their H2H was dead even until AO16, after that Djoko won 4-5 to take the h2h edge 27-23

Djoko was not conclusively the better player until Fed was 34-35, despite being six years younger

Federer had wins over Novak from 06 to 10 because he is 6 years older, so obv to compensate for those wins Novak would need another 5-6 years till 2016 to level up.... Otherwise check from 2011, Djoker was already winning a lot.. Fed was a better player peak for peak but that still doesn't change the fact that Novak started winning consistently from US open 2010 onwards ...yet to took 6 years to nullify the 06-10 part numerically.
 
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Djokovic is the most inspirational for me. This video pretty much sums it all up for me

yes, only one of them came from a country without a tennis infrastructure. where neither the state nor anyone else stood behind him and his parents had to do everything themselves. they begged everywhere for a sponsor and in the end took money from money sharks so that they could send him to the pilics academy. in addition, he was forced to train in empty swimming pools while NATO destroyed his country without the decision of the Security Council. afterwards, many things happened to him that did not happen to these two. he was most often exposed to great hostility from the audience at almost all tournaments, which are mainly in western countries. often exposed to media coverage with usually twisted, exaggerated or completely invented reasons. he was controversially disqualified at one slam, the second slam was canceled and at the third he was even arrested and sent to detention, and then at the fourth banned along with the ban on many masters. and he was a huge favorit at everyone of those slams! his weeks at the top were frozen, the points for winning the fifth slam were taken away. and in addition to all that, in the end, he once again sovereignly holds all most important tennis records with a fairly large margin over opponents against whom he was marginalized for most of his career by both the media and the audience. quite a big difference compared to opponents from rich Switzerland and Spain with a well-developed tennis infrastructure. who from the beginning were the favorites of journalists, the audience and the establishment. in addition, he was ready to sacrifice his career because of his belief that everyone should decide for themselves what to put in their body. now that astrazeneka has withdrawn its vaccines with court rulings and the recognition that they can lead to serious complications and even death, it has proven to be the only right thing to do. especially since at the same time it was shown that in 2022 the virus was not so dangerous for healthy young people who had easily got over it twice already and that the risk of severe side effects in that group would be much higher compared to the risk of the virus itself.
 
Didn't Federer pull off a remarkable comeback slam win himself?
He did, he did but it's the overall career and the reputation they had regarding their style of play. Even when he won in 2017, he came back after a long injury layoff and just started winning all over, and even then his style of play didnt really make it seem like he grinded it out that much even though thats exactly what he did. Federer just made everything look so easy effortless man, even in his late resurgence when his game wasnt as fluid as his apex prime days
 
If we go by individual matches then they all have examples. Could just as easily point to the 2017 AO instead. Here Federer is, after getting his hopes up all tournament, finds himself down in the 5th set to the guy who has owned him his entire career.

Does he accept the inevitable? Nope. He gets off the mat and starts playing with more conviction than we've ever seen. Sometimes hanging around isn't good enough and you have to take matters into your own hands. Go out on your terms, win or lose.
I agree with what youre saying, and all 3 were absolute warriors and never gave up. Except for in his last couple of years, federer NEVER lost easily. You had to play your best and you would barely eke out a win against him in the 3rd set simply because Fed always fought to the very end. I am a huge fan of his now. I was simply stating the reputations they had. Nadal Djokovic always had the more fighting attitude and style of play
 
I agree with all of that. That's why Marat Safin is the most inspirational player to me. I cannot fathom the sacrifice that the Big 3 made. I'm a strong believer in the law of diminishing return.
I still think Marat should have achieved more, even while having a work life balance. Maybe not slams but he definitely should have won more master 1000s for me. But yeah I resonate a lot more with Safin's work ethic than with Fedalovic's maniacal pursuit of tennis history
 
Federer has plenty of interest that don’t include coaching, commentating or opening up a tennis academy just to display his trophies.

Federer’s interests include spending time with his family, working on business projects, doing speaking engagements, doing tennis clinics to instruct youths and work for his foundation. He even took up golf.
Fed also plays regularly on chess.com! Love it.
 
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I think the point is more that if someone travels the world from a young age on and is exposed to English daily you would expect him to learn it better than Rafa is able to speak.
If someone travels the world with his/her own team & family, he/she is not "exposed to English daily". As for Rafa, he doesn't need English in many countries because: Central America and almost the whole of South America speaks Spanish; he is capable of giving interviews in Italian; he understands a little French.

Rafa speaks English well enough to answer journalists' question at his press conferences and on-court interviews. I have a feeling that the posters who trash talk him here, actually never listen to or read his interviews.
 
I heard a few minutes of his "last 12 days" documentary and he sounded like he was smoking or had no sleep. Maybe that's the Euro sounding part you mentioned.

Or maybe it's because he was in a fragile period of his life, about to retire and completely change his lifestyle?
 
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Or maybe it's because he was in a fragile period of his life, about to retire and completely change his lifestyle?
He will always be involved in something that requires time and find a new challenge. The major lifestyle change is not training and traveling as much. You think he'll be like Agassi or Sampras and just disappear into a quiet family life?
 
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One guy came from a country at war, barely survived when he was young, had nothing to eat, but managed to win 24 slams and got all the records. The second guy managed to in 22 slams despite 100000 injuries throughout his whole career.
And then is Federer. You do the maths.
 
He will always be involved in something that requires time and find a new challenge. The major lifestyle change is not training and traveling as much. You think he'll be like Agassi or Sampras and just disappear into a quiet family life?

It was clearly an emotional moment though. Sure, he can find a new challenge, but ending his professional tennis career is still huge obviously.
 
It was clearly an emotional moment though. Sure, he can find a new challenge, but ending his professional tennis career is still huge obviously.
Agreed. I only caught maybe 20 seconds of the audio clip which could have come before or after something very emotional. I'll probably feel sad watching it b/c he was the most exciting & perfect player to watch for a number of years.
 
Going off the deep end here, but upon reflecting on my tennis life I’d say Hewitt, Gauf and Shelton. Neither parent played tennis so I wasn’t into it naturally. I’d watch tennis but didn’t know what was going on. I watched some Hewitt match and he inspired me to take a serious interest in the game and eventually play when given a chance.
The young Americans are fun to watch. After 10 plus years of not playing and hardly watching, I turned on the US Open. I felt a pride in the sport and rekindled my joy for the game and I’ve been out playing regularly ever since.
Though, as a middle aged guy, seeing the older guys still grinding is also inspiring.
Even down to ole Tomic in the challengers or Donald Young qualifying for a 250. I’m inspired by the competitive spirit and willingness to painstakingly work on the tennis court to make a living.
 

Nadal in 2009 Aus open moved even better, probably the best he has ever moved on a HC. Nadal's movement was everything, hitting superb shots on the run.

One guy came from a country at war, barely survived when he was young, had nothing to eat, but managed to win 24 slams and got all the records. The second guy managed to in 22 slams despite 100000 injuries throughout his whole career.
And then is Federer. You do the maths.

Thats what I was thinking, when we do the math and look back we see Fed lose everything from late 2000s until he retired, so what inspiration do we draw from that ? Probably it is demotivating when someone looks at the whole picture.
 
Nadal in 2009 Aus open moved even better, probably the best he has ever moved on a HC. Nadal's movement was everything, hitting superb shots on the run.



Thats what I was thinking, when we do the math and look back we see Fed lose everything from late 2000s until he retired, so what inspiration do we draw from that ? Probably it is demotivating when someone looks at the whole picture.
Rolleyes. Only if you’re obsessive and have nothing else to hang self-worth on but padding your career stats.
 
Nadal in 2009 Aus open moved even better, probably the best he has ever moved on a HC. Nadal's movement was everything, hitting superb shots on the run.



Thats what I was thinking, when we do the math and look back we see Fed lose everything from late 2000s until he retired, so what inspiration do we draw from that ? Probably it is demotivating when someone looks at the whole picture.
Sure. I just have a thing for the Berdych match.
 
Rolleyes. Only if you’re obsessive and have nothing else to hang self-worth on but padding your career stats.

There is nothing called "padding career stats" in real life, every title is worth the same as the one held in any other year, the world does not stop because a player grew old. Titles are titles. Federer was someone who enjoyed the GOAT status and today there are 2 others with him and on stats he is 3rd, so this padding stats remark is like Grapes are Sour when your fav player has something he (& his fans) valued taken away from him.
 
There is nothing called "padding career stats" in real life, every title is worth the same as the one held in any other year, the world does not stop because a player grew old. Titles are titles. Federer was someone who enjoyed the GOAT status and today there are 2 others with him and on stats he is 3rd, so this padding stats remark is like Grapes are Sour when your fav player has something taken away from him.
Federer was never obsessed with this GOAT crap. Nothing more than fan-driven obsession that is purposefully talked about on a daily basis. Federer leads a balanced life where he doesn’t concern himself with petty things or petty people. He never engaged in petty stat padding because he doesn’t draw self worth from tennis career achievements.
 
Fedheads will vote Fed, V amos Brigade will vote Rafa, Djokofans will vote Djoko.

Personally, I don't find any of them particularly inspirational partly because they all come from wealthy or, at least, comfortable backgrounds with plenty of support to help them on their way.
 
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