Who is the second best german player of the open era? Stich or Zverev?

Who is the 2nd best german player?

  • Stich

    Votes: 48 81.4%
  • Zverev

    Votes: 11 18.6%

  • Total voters
    59
I agree with the gist of your post, but that 92 QF by Pete vs Stich was arguably his best match at Wimbledon.
True. But still knowing his habit of raising his game in Wimbledon finals, I think in a potential 97 final where he held 116/118 times, he would still be better than in 92 (I assume you meant the QF was his best match at Wimbledon 92 not his best match at Wimbledon overall). Stich on the other hand in 97 was already past it and I can’t see him replicating a 91 final performance. His 92 and 93 carpet wins at GSC and YEC against Pete were great, but apart from peak level Pete was always inconsistent on carpet, his low 77% winning rate speaks volumes.
 
True. But still knowing his habit of raising his game in Wimbledon finals, I think in a potential 97 final where he held 116/118 times, he would still be better than in 92 (I assume you meant the QF was his best match at Wimbledon 92 not his best match at Wimbledon overall). Stich on the other hand in 97 was already past it and I can’t see him replicating a 91 final performance. His 92 and 93 carpet wins at GSC and YEC against Pete were great, but apart from peak level Pete was always inconsistent on carpet, his low 77% winning rate speaks volumes.

yeah, Stich in Wim 97 definitely loses to Sampras. that's not in question.
And I did mean best match at Wimbledon overall arguably (other ones in contention are Wim 94, 95, 97, 99 finals)

 
yeah, Stich in Wim 97 definitely loses to Sampras. that's not in question.
And I did mean best match at Wimbledon overall arguably (other ones in contention are Wim 94, 95, 97, 99 finals)

Ok fair enough. IMHO 95 final takes the win. The 99 one I find a little overrated tbh. 94 and 97 were great but of course Pioline being the opponent tarnishes a little.
 
I don't think Stich would beat Sampras in the 97 Wimbledon final, but I could see it being a good match. Maybe a competitive 4 setter. He would definitely have made a better showing than Pioline, who was both overmatched, and a horrible and super nervous finals players in general as his career history indicates, not just his 2 slam finals.
 
How somebody can pick Zverev is beyond me.

Sure, not everything is about the slams, but when one guy wins his only slam beating 2 ATG's, while the other fails to win the most asterisked slam of all time that was being gifted to him on a silver platter, I can't see how this can be dismissed.
 
How somebody can pick Zverev is beyond me.

Sure, not everything is about the slams, but when one guy wins his only slam beating 2 ATG's, while the other fails to win the most asterisked slam of all time that was being gifted to him on a silver platter, I can't see how this can be dismissed.
Apart from the two ATGs he also beat Courier who is the closest to ATG of all non- ATGs. Having grass as his worst surface though.
 
Don’t think Newcombe was playin at W91..
It's pretty notable that Zverev has 0 Wimbledon quarter-final appearances, in contrast to Stich reaching the semi-finals or better at all 4 majors. That's despite the fact that Stich played in far more polarised conditions, not just in terms of surfaces but also in terms of having to adapt to facing opponents with a far greater variety of different playing styles, and also when there were 16 seeds at majors instead of 32. The switch to 32 seeds from 2001 had a pretty big impact on the sport, not least in terms of reducing the potential early round banana skins for the top players.

In terms of talent, it's a no-brainer to me that Stich comes out on top there.

Zverev is what I'd call an 'academy style player'. He does the fundamentals very well, including moving well for his height (though Stich himself was an excellent athlete). But he lacks the ability to 'improvise' and be spontaenous, and of course his net game is not exactly strong for top level professional standards.

In 1991 when he reached the semis at RG and then won Wimbledon, the likes of Newcombe and Courier (who he played in both tournaments), were very complimentary about Stich's game, his variety and ability to adjust his playing patterns so much.

The fact that he enjoyed such a successful career, despite committing fully to tennis so late, was also notable. When he was 16 years old a few months out from his 17th birthday, and watched Becker's incredible 1985 Wimbledon triumph, tennis was still only his 2nd main sporting focus behind football. At that same age, most future pros have basically been full-time ball-machines for several years at least, and eat, drink and sleep tennis.
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