messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
Sinner and Alcaraz have a whole career ahead of them, losing at W wont be career defining if the loser wins the USO.
Who needs the W25 win more, Sinner, Djokovic or Alcaraz?
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TheGoldenEra1990’s
Hall of Fame
I dont know if Sinner can come back mentally if Alcaraz wins the next 2 slams against him. I doubt he will. It will turn into the Fed/Roddick or Nadal/Gasquet rivalry
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
Id totally forgot Federer had 5+ at 3 of the 4 Majors.
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
Yes i agree with you if Alcaraz wins the next two slams..but Sinner will win W this year. Im very confident in that. Alcaraz i think wins USO. Only threats to either i see are Draper and Shelton
TheGoldenEra1990’s
Hall of Fame
What if Sinner loses the finals to Alcaraz at Wimbledon? What will that do to Sinner and his psyche?
GoatNo1
Legend
does not matter because nole has 3+ at 4 of 4 majors.... it calls career grand slams i believe fed also has one. i wish he had more because it is much more important than 5+ at 3 of 4!
GoatNo1
Legend
you see, it is so important that that people don't even remember it not even his fans. wish he had some more important and significant records!
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
It will be damaging but Sinner may think Hard courts is his domain and feel he can rescue things by winning the USO, but he would be under alot of pressure. I actually think Alcaraz best slam could be the USO as it happens along with the FO, 2023 and 204 he allowed defeats to Djokovic to derail him but i think he could easily win 5 in a row at the USO as conditions there suit him, BUT he also seem absolutely suited to Ashe and working the crowd. But i do take your point, in my view Sinner should get the job done this W, his game is more suited to grass than Carlos actually
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
Actually because Federer's legacy as either GOAT of his era or 2nd to Nadal is secure, his fans dont need to spend all day justifying all his achievements. He is retired, he achieved everything he ever wanted, had the greatest impact on any sport in the 21st century, his fans are now enjoying this new era without living in the past and scouring Wikipedia to list his achievements.
GoatNo1
Legend
not everything, it must hurt both him and his fans that the very least person they could even imagine, and even less wanted, to broke all his records and with some pretty big margin eventually did it and mostly before he even retired!
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
After he retired
caesar66
Professional
Sinner, I’d say. Djoker retires as GOAT with quite a margin even if he loses. Alcaraz has a grass title already this year and has won Wimbledon. I think Sinner will want to step back in full force after losing RG with match points and going out to Bublik. This is a chance for a momentum shift before the end of the season (which sounds silly given that Sinner has had an objectively very successful year).
Djokovic always had to keep Federer as a frame of reference in his life . Imagine that you always have to do in life what someone has done already. What does that do to your psyche
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
How can a player be goat if they are owned by multiple players at the biggest slams?
caesar66
Professional
Numbers (majors, masters, longevity, time at #1, etc) don’t lie. I’m far from a Djoker Fanboy and calling him the GOAT is a tough pill to swallow as a Fed fanboy who didn’t even want to like Nadal until the back half of his career, but Djoker’s locked GOAT status down.
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
Most successful doesnt equal GOAT. Not one pro player at the top of the game or perhaps more importantly, any player from the Big 3 era who played all three, considers Djokovic undisputed GOAT, not one. Strangely a number did in 2021 but i think Nadal in 2022 torpedoed that and the emergence if Sinner and Alcaraz has made the GOAT debate a 5 way tussle..if Sinner or Alcaraz win Wimbledon it definitely will be a 5 way tussle, and if Sinner and Alcaraz make the final and have a classic like RG mark my words, BOTH will be heralded as greater than the Big 3.
Tennfan123
Legend
It’s insanity to think someone with 24 slam titles needs another one.
The answer is Alcaraz.
Sinner will be hoarding the HC slams for the next five years. The hard court goat is here.
Carlos needs Wimbledon to keep himself in the sinner vs Alcaraz argument.
The answer is Alcaraz.
Sinner will be hoarding the HC slams for the next five years. The hard court goat is here.
Carlos needs Wimbledon to keep himself in the sinner vs Alcaraz argument.
duaneeo
G.O.A.T.
Djokovic shouldn't be in the conversation. Of Sinner and Alcaraz (and assuming another meeting in the final), I think Carlos needs the win more. He's the 2-time defending champion. And the last thing he wants is Sinner heading into the summer HC season as the Wimbledon champion.
TennisTurkey
Rookie
Since the greatness of a player is seemingly judged solely by slam count these days, I’m going to say that they all need this equally.
Whether the slam is towards the beginning or end of the player’s career, reaches another milestone or whatever, it still counts as one slam towards the total
Whether the slam is towards the beginning or end of the player’s career, reaches another milestone or whatever, it still counts as one slam towards the total
gamelovergold
Hall of Fame
Some of fedrer fans are living in that classic HOW GOOD WAS OLDEN TIME mode.
Novak took away the most desired records
Slams
Weeks at #1
Year ending #1
And completed tennis by winning every title at least once.
Now all fedrer fan can say that fedrer was from diffrent era . Forgetting nadal was fighting fedrer when fedrer was at his peak.
Certainly novak came late in picture but it does not mean that he was from another generation.
GoatNo1
Legend
actually it does not matter, but fed retired in 2022 when nole already had more YE#1, more weeks at no1, more slams, more CGS, same WTF, more masters, more big titles, CGM, better h2h, higher w%, ATP points record, nole-slam, ect...
GoatNo1
Legend
actually fed did not anything of what nole did
8 YE#1, he did not did even what sampras did
428 weeks at #1
24 slams
3 CGS
7 WTF
OG
40 masters
2 GM, not even 1
never had positive h2h vs all main rivals
16950 ATP points
fed-slam
ect...
so i dont know what are you talking about!
anarosevoli
Professional
Sinner must deliver now (he is older and still needs a win on Alcaraz' surfaces). Alcaraz can be relaxed (he is younger and already has a win on Sinner's surface). Djokovic needs nothing.
GoatNo1
Legend
of course, even if he was from another generation it would not matter
but
fed played most matches vs nole, by big margin
rafa played most matches vs nole. by big margin
muzza played most matches vs nole, by big margin
wawa played most matches vs nole
the big3 played 150 matches vs each other
the biggest rivalry in OE was nole-rafa
2nd biggest was nole-fed
3rd biggest was fed-rafa
4th biggest was nole-muzza
and that's not all
if we look at feds 10 biggest rivalries 7 is vs noles generation and only 3 vs his own!
1 nole 50+WO
2 rafa 40+WO
3-4 wawa 27
5 berdych 26
6-7 muzza 25
6-7 potro 25
9-10 gasque 21
3-4 hewitt 27
8 roddick 24
9-10 denko 21
in fed 7 biggest rivalries 6 was from noles and just 1 from his own generation
socallefty
G.O.A.T.
If Djokovic doesn’t win Wimbledon, he might retire in a few months as I doubt he will win the USO and that would be 2 years without a Slam win. His motivation level might become very low.
If he wins Wimbledon though, he might play for a two more years and try his chances at a couple of more AOs and Wimbledons. I think his prospects of winning the USO or FO are over.
If he wins Wimbledon though, he might play for a two more years and try his chances at a couple of more AOs and Wimbledons. I think his prospects of winning the USO or FO are over.
Sinner
platypus50
Semi-Pro
Sinner for sure, he needs to win a non-HC major and also to narrow the majors gap to 4-5 instead of 3-6 should Alcaraz win his 3rd consecutive Wimbledon.
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
What are all those meaningless stats lol. Federer hadn't played for 12 months before he retired. It's why Nadal fans had the good grace not to make a big deal of when Nadal surpassed Roger as we knew Roger was not playing. We made a big deal at RG2022 as a retort to Djokovic fans spending 5 months abusing Rafa so karma came and bit hard.actually it does not matter, but fed retired in 2022 when nole already had more YE#1, more weeks at no1, more slams, more CGS, same WTF, more masters, more big titles, CGM, better h2h, higher w%, ATP points record, nole-slam, ect...
Djokovic didn't surpass Federer in the Slams or Olympics, the biggest events until Federer was off the tour. That's a fact. Nadal beat Djokovic to extend the slam record. Federer beat Nadal and Djokovic when he was extending the slam record. Djokovic beat neither at the Slams to get the slam record or extend it.
GoatNo1
Legend
Speaking about karma and overreactting after slam wins. Rafas AO22 take prize. Rafans was so glad over noles deportation and rafas vulture of that slam that it was hard to believe. And it expended to RG too. And then come karma as best after that.
And nole could not beat rafa so often when he avoided him for a decade outside of clay. But he beat him at RG21 to become the GOAT and again on PC at OG (as you said the biggest events) to complete tennis and become the undisputed golden GOAt. And greater than fed and rafa on all big events tiers: slams, WTFs, OG and masters!
Impressario
Semi-Pro
Djokovic, by a country mile. Just ask any 90-year-old which is the most important year in their life.
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