Who should bring balls?

Who should bring balls?

  • The weaker player

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • The stronger player

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • They should alternate

    Votes: 34 91.9%

  • Total voters
    37

MaxTennis

New User
A debate I have with some of my hitting partners.

Note: The hitting partners I hit with are a lot weaker i.e. at least 1 NTRP difference in level. I also provide a bit of coaching and drilling out of my basket, so it ends up being a bit more productive for them than me.
 
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OnTheLine

Hall of Fame
You are missing an option: Everyone should bring a new can. Have one on you at all times. Period.

If you have a regular hitting partner or a regular group that hits .... it should obviously rotate as to who is providing the balls for that particular session.

Rank or skill does not apply if it is a regular hitting arrangement.

Perhaps the lower ranked player should bring a new can to pay homage to the higher ranked player who deigned to stoop so low to hit with the peon. (lots of sarcasm here).

If it is not a regular hitting arrangement .... whoever did the asking is in charge of setting up courts and providing balls. (split court fees if any)

So you don't bring a new can to hit with people who are your equals? No offense, but you would be scratched off my list of hitting partners
 

OnTheLine

Hall of Fame
And now that you have edited your post with additional information .... if you are providing drills for others then they should be providing balls or paying for a lesson in some way (beer, lunch, something)

If it bugs you (and in social terms kind of hard to change a group's established pattern) then stop doing it, find new hitting partners at your level.
 

MaxTennis

New User
And now that you have edited your post with additional information .... if you are providing drills for others then they should be providing balls or paying for a lesson in some way (beer, lunch, something)

If it bugs you (and in social terms kind of hard to change a group's established pattern) then stop doing it, find new hitting partners at your level.
Yes, sorry I should have added more context.

If it is a regular hitting partner and we were just playing practice sets or something, then we would alternate who brings balls.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I like to offer new balls only to players I respect, which means most of the time I don't. Most people don't deserve new balls.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
I like to offer new balls only to players I respect, which means most of the time I don't. Most people don't deserve new balls.
So you brought a case of new balls when you hit with TTPS?

How many pallets of balls did you bring to play with Matt and Navigator?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
So you brought a case of new balls when you hit with TTPS?

How many pallets of balls did you bring to play with Matt and Navigator?
Whenever someone visits from outside, I always provide the balls. Same with anyone new. They already took the trouble to come to my club, so that is the least I can do.

But the usual old farts in the club? No way. Especially the retired ones who think that they are on fixed income so the working young should bring new balls.
 
Eventually, I like to reach a level of comfort with a hitting partner where neither of us care whether the balls are brand new or not.
 

Cindysphinx

G.O.A.T.
Becky never brings the balls.

She digs around in her enormous tennis bag and can find anything one might need except new balls.

Funny thing, though. Becky is quick to discard a ball because it is “dead.” Dead balls mess up her strokes.
 

OnTheLine

Hall of Fame
Becky never brings the balls.

She digs around in her enormous tennis bag and can find anything one might need except new balls.

Funny thing, though. Becky is quick to discard a ball because it is “dead.” Dead balls mess up her strokes.
Wish I could hit the like button on this ... but the button seems to be missing today.

Always happy if you crack open a new can .... every time .... and somehow never ever brings one herself.

Does your Becky also complain if you are about to crack open a can of a brand she does not prefer?
 

ChaelAZ

Legend
I've always alternated based on who is home court. Then again, I always have a couple cans with me and don't get pissy about it, as long as I am not always providing balls.
 

OnTheLine

Hall of Fame
It is about money.
I don't think it is. I have found that those lowest on the income scales in a group tend to bring balls the most often, those in the middle very often, those at the top are the least likely.

Going back to Becky ..... shows up with a Gucci tennis bag (over $2500 bag), way too much large-carat diamond jewelry ...never brings new balls
 
When I play with weaker 3.0 players, they offer to pay for the court time.
Sometimes, I accept, particularly, if I am giving tips from all the lessons I've taken.
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
Becky never brings the balls.

She digs around in her enormous tennis bag and can find anything one might need except new balls.

Funny thing, though. Becky is quick to discard a ball because it is “dead.” Dead balls mess up her strokes.
Like.

J
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Does your Becky also complain if you are about to crack open a can of a brand she does not prefer?
Then there's always Phil, who only brings Costco Penns (probably the same can). Offers them immediately, but knows someone in the foursome will turn their nose up and pull out their can of better balls. Not sure he's ever had to open that can of Costco balls.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Then there's always Phil, who only brings Costco Penns (probably the same can). Offers them immediately, but knows someone in the foursome will turn their nose up and pull out their can of better balls. Not sure he's ever had to open that can of Costco balls.
I pretend to rummage in my bag for a new can of balls, and usually by that time someone says "I have a new can" and I say "Are you sure" with my hand still inside the bag and without making eye contact, and he says "Yes" and I reluctantly go along!

I have perfected this over the years. It is not easy to do this.
 

Ronaldo

Talk Tennis Guru
Anyone play dubs in a group that wanna warmup using old fluffed up dead balls then open a new can, poppin' fresh, when the match starts? Anyone LIKE this?
 

Addxyz

Semi-Pro
Then there's always Phil, who only brings Costco Penns (probably the same can). Offers them immediately, but knows someone in the foursome will turn their nose up and pull out their can of better balls. Not sure he's ever had to open that can of Costco balls.
What's wrong with Costco Penns?
 

TTMR

Hall of Fame
What's wrong with Costco Penns?
Anyone who asks this unironically clearly has no experience with higher levels of play. It is *impossible* to play decent tennis with Penn or Wilson Championship balls. Even if you have excellent stroke mechanics, the ball itself will bring anybody down a level just in bad bounces alone.

Likewise, even a used can of high quality balls will slowly undermine your game if you don't rotate them out quickly.

I also question people who don't break strings very often. You need to be breaking strings at least every other match to know for sure you're a quality rec player. Let's face it, if you never break strings there's a reason (ie. soft topspin-free hitting).
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
What's wrong with Costco Penns?
On clay courts they are terrible as they sop up the moisture and become fluffy and heavy before the first set is over. They usually last a set or two on hard courts but they are definitely the least durable ball I've encountered.

I use them all the time down in the desert as they last a bit longer in the dry air and I'm mostly just hitting when I play down there.
 

AndI

Rookie
Anyone who asks this unironically clearly has no experience with higher levels of play. It is *impossible* to play decent tennis with Penn or Wilson Championship balls. Even if you have excellent stroke mechanics, the ball itself will bring anybody down a level just in bad bounces alone.
I wish the opposite was true. I would not mind paying extra $3 per can, if this would raise my game a level up. Alas, this is not gonna happen.
 

OnTheLine

Hall of Fame
On clay courts they are terrible as they sop up the moisture and become fluffy and heavy before the first set is over. They usually last a set or two on hard courts but they are definitely the least durable ball I've encountered.

I use them all the time down in the desert as they last a bit longer in the dry air and I'm mostly just hitting when I play down there.
Playing here in the desert at all times:
Costco Penns stay looking nice forever .... at first they start playing well and serving just fine... but they are no where near as good by the 2nd set, lose bounce, fluff up, although they still look better than say the Wilson USO balls ...they seem to be dirt resistant somehow on hard courts.
 

OnTheLine

Hall of Fame
I wish the opposite was true. I would not mind paying extra $3 per can, if this would raise my game a level up. Alas, this is not gonna happen.
To get the opposite, you have to not only have the premium balls, you also need 5 matched sticks, a coordinated kit and your own bench
 

AndI

Rookie
Oh boy... My life is clearly going downhill. No premium balls, no 5 matched sticks, and even the bench from my favorite local public court got stolen recently.
 

BlueB

Hall of Fame
What's wrong with Costco Penns?
Absolutely nothing wrong with those. Most of the people I know usecthem too. I have seen only one or 2 dead cans over the last 5-6 years...

Also, I don't quite care if we play with new or used balls, as long as the used ones bounce similar to each other... It's the same conditions for both players so it doesn't matter.
As the matter of fact, when I play with lower level players, I think old balls are almost better, it gives them a bit more time...


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TTMR

Hall of Fame
I wish the opposite was true. I would not mind paying extra $3 per can, if this would raise my game a level up. Alas, this is not gonna happen.
Of course. Low level players prefer dead balls because it slows down the game and muffles the power of superior players. Also great for hackers, slicers and dicers making their backspin shots more effective.

Just like low level players prefer loose strings to give them the illusion of power, while high level players like me string ultra tight because our spin and power need to be reined in.
 

TagUrIt

Professional
I also question people who don't break strings very often. You need to be breaking strings at least every other match to know for sure you're a quality rec player. Let's face it, if you never break strings there's a reason (ie. soft topspin-free hitting).

I respectfully disagree, I don’t think breaking strings on a regular basis is an indication of skill level. You can shank balls and break strings.

To the OP you should rotate who brings balls, that’s the fair thing to do. If your hitting partners aren’t up to your skill level, maybe it’s time to find new hitting partners.
 

Cawlin

Semi-Pro
On clay courts they are terrible as they sop up the moisture and become fluffy and heavy before the first set is over. They usually last a set or two on hard courts but they are definitely the least durable ball I've encountered.
The "Costco Penn" balls are "extra duty" felt, which means that they have a thicker felt covering and are in general, intended for hard court - if you're on clay, you probably want the regular duty balls with the less thick felt covering so they won't hold as much dirt/moisture...
 

blablavla

Semi-Pro
Of course. Low level players prefer dead balls because it slows down the game and muffles the power of superior players. Also great for hackers, slicers and dicers making their backspin shots more effective.

Just like low level players prefer loose strings to give them the illusion of power, while high level players like me string ultra tight because our spin and power need to be reined in.
Beyond the power argument,
it also works for those who spend their budget on a bunch of new frames.
Then they need to save cost on balls -> play with dead ones, either way they don't feel the difference.
Then they need to save cost on coach -> watch youtube + hunt for better partners, hoping for free of charge advice
 

blablavla

Semi-Pro
I also question people who don't break strings very often. You need to be breaking strings at least every other match to know for sure you're a quality rec player. Let's face it, if you never break strings there's a reason (ie. soft topspin-free hitting).
if your racket is a string-eating machine -> yes
but if your racket is not a string eating machine, then it is not a pre-condition.
 

ShaunS

Semi-Pro
I respectfully disagree, I don’t think breaking strings on a regular basis is an indication of skill level.
Agreed.

You need to be breaking strings at least every other match to know for sure you're a quality rec player. Let's face it, if you never break strings there's a reason (ie. soft topspin-free hitting).
Or that you are playing with a decent poly? If you're a rec player who breaks strings every second match that's not the right setup for you. The options available today can give you a very similar feel without being a string that breaks in under 10 hours of match play. Outdated advice.

Conversely, if you're playing 100 hours on the same set of strings, it's time to cut those out. If you really like the strings look to go up in gauge, and see if that works out for you.
 

Badmrfrosty

Rookie
Do people ever just open 2 cans of balls? I'd always prefer to have 6 balls if I'm just hitting. Less time chasing balls down. Seems like this is looked down on. Thoughts?
 
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