Discussion in 'Pros' Racquets and Gear' started by Mickey Finn, May 18, 2007.
Um ok whatever that means. It's not my opinion anyway Pete said it.
Yes, late in that 1992 final, Sampras failed to give it his all to win. He hated himself for doing that and he NEVER did it again for the rest of his career. He has said many times that that loss was the best thing that could have happened to his career, because after that he never gave up on a match again, which he feels is why he was able to win 13 more Grand Slams after that.
Maybe Nadal should learn something from Edberg.
Edberg recovered in less than 24 hours to beat Sampras the next day to win the US Open in 4 sets. Nadal played a much shorter semi than Edberg did, had a walkover, and he couldn't recover in time to beat Federer in a best of 3 match? Puleeze.... Isn't Nadal supposed to be in the best condition of any player ever, including Edberg?
To be fair even Edberg got tired on occasion such as his 1989 French Open Final.
I remember seeing somewhere how Edberg was like 5% body fat or something absurdly low like that during his heyday.
I never said the court was too slow anywhere. All I was doing is pointing out factors that worked in Roger's favor in Madrid, I wasn't trying to imply that Roger didn't deserve to win or that the match wasn't fair. I'm just saying that Roger was lucky to have the situation/conditons that he had, and he probably won't be that lucky in Paris. Try telling any top player that "the court issue is a non-issue" and see what they tell you. Yes, Nadal lost, that's obvious so there's no need to state it, but thanks anyways.
So that's why, despite what you said, conditions were better for Nadal at RG last year than they were at Madrid on Sunday.
No as I pointed out earlier but you failed to comprehend, conditions were worse for Nadal in Madrid due to the dryness, heat (harder court), and altitude. The wind at RG would have also worked in Nadal's favor since he's better at playing in wind than Federer due to Nadal's excessive topspin and Federer's excessive wristyness and his 1 handed bh. Anyone who has seen either of these players play in high winds knows this.
So in Madrid Federer didn't have to play a 4+ hr match the day before, the court, climate, and altitude suited him, he played well and had a good gameplan, that's why he won, end of story. Also 6-4, 6-4 is hardly getting blown off the court, whereas 6-1, 6-3, 6-0 (last years French Open final) is.
I agree with you 100 percent.
Yeah me too cause I saw a thing on the tennis channel that said that that was the case :shock:.
Rabbit is right. On the day, Federer played better and won. Nadal didn't play as well as he can, either in the final or in the earlier rounds. But so what? The person who wins the final win the tournament. It is about what happens on the day.
Nadal will play better. It is up to Federer to see if he can build on the confidence that he will have gained and the tactical changes that were in evidence during the final.
What tactical changes? Serve like a beast and crush forehands? Fed looked quick too...
Pete said this many many years before Tennis Channel.
Look at the ceremony pictures here:
See how relaxed and happy and friendly Rafa is. Compare it with Fed crying in the AO.
Rafa looks like he is relieved that the tournament ended with Fed winning and he can move on, not like someone who tried his best and lost.
i disagree with you 100%
My point in the Hamburg comment was that according to some people the courts are too slow or too fast for Nads and that's why Federer wins. The "Goldie Locks" syndrome with Nads fans gets old. Fact is, he's human. He will lose a match just every once in a while now and more later. Fact is, Federer played in the same conditions and I don't care what they were, if they are playing on dirt, the odds are in Nads favor. What you failed to acknowledge was that Nads is Spanish and had the crowd in his favor.
Was Federer playing at a lower altitude?
IMO, what you've detailed are akin to tweaks. Fact is, it was dirt. Fact is, if it's dirt, it's in Nads' favor period.
This simply isn't true. I seem to remember a US Open semi-final played in what amounted to gale force winds, it was Roger Federer and Andre Agassi. There isn't a cleaner striker of the ball than Agassi, or anyone who grew up playing in wind more than Agassi (see Vegas).
By comparison, Paris doesn't have wind, they have breezes.
In summary, I don't think wind bothers Federer as much as that.
Not denying that Federer got blown off court and if you look back, I never made excuses. Personally, I do prefer to watch Federer over Nads but I wouldn't call myself particularly a Federer-fan. The objection I have here is the pile upon pile of excuses made for Nads losing.
That's all I'm saying. In another thread, I made mention that this is potentially a shot in the arm for Federer but that it wouldn't be particularly bad for Nads since he did play a long match the day before. However, it would seem to me that this may stick in Nads mind as he is supposed to be peaking going into the French.
Edberg? Maybe Nads should hire Muster or Muster's trainer. Back in 1995, Muster was down and out after a particularly grueling semi-final with Gaudenzi. He came back the next day to beat Boris Becker in a 3-hour + final losing the first two sets. Becker looked primed to win his first (and only) clay court title. Muster then proceeded to win the next three with the 5th going 6-0. Becker was incensed and accused Muster of doping.
When Jimmy Connors ran his senior tour, he and some of the other players were in the locker room enjoying adult beverages. At some point, they heard a noise. Upon investigation, they found Muster in the sauna counting off push ups. Muster was an animal.
I was thinking of
1. drop shots
2. putting more air under his backhand and hitting back up the line with it
3. defending into Nadal's backhand
But I agree that he served well and hit his forehand well.
Total and complete speculation. Trying to guess how someone is feeling behind the masks and facades that usually people put on up front on their face is totally relative and subject to opinion.
And besides, losing a grand slam (especially one in which you could have tied the all-time Slam number record) is a totally different thing from losing a Masters event. I want to see what Nadal's face would look like if Fed beats him in the FO, or if Fed beats him in a US Open final after Nadal wins the other 3 slams this year, thereby denying him a rare Calendar Slam. Maybe Nadal wouldn't look so calm and relaxed, or maybe he would be. Maybe he just has a different personality than Fed, or maybe he doesn't. Maybe he's just more gracious at losing than Fed, or maybe he isn't. See? We could speculate about and go round and round about this all day long.
Agreed, but Nadal is not a sophisticated guy who puts up a facade. Not yet.
HE looked better all around..even with that horrible frame he uses.
Agreed. What impressed me was the all-out assualt. If he missed a ball, he didn't pull back, next point, he went right back after it. His forehand kept Nads pushed back and Federer employed the drop shot better than anyone I've ever seen.
What is it like living on Mars? Do you have nice weather on Mars? Are there lots of nice restaurants on Mars?
I guess you never heard of a gracious loser? Nadal is a real class act. A true sportsman. I have never seen Nadal act poorly on the tennis court win or lose he always acts the same a class guy. For you to suggest anything other than that is not only disingenuous but bizarre. Stop writing these strange scenarios that you make up in your mind.
Nadal as the gracious winner
Nadal as the gracious loser
I guess in your bizarre world Nadal was happy to lose that Wimbledon title because he has grace, class, and composure.
^^^ That Wimbledon walk is a forced thing they have to do. In Madrid, Rafa need not be tugging at Fed's shirt and smiling away.
Maybe because Fed and Nadal actually like and respect each other. I know that thought never entered your mind. Right just more bizarre scenarios. Nadal smiling and slapping Federer's hand was not forced. At the Australian Open the organizers did not tell Nadal to put his arm around Federer. You have to invent your own scenarios because you can't comprehend such actions. You live in your own fantasy-land. Too bad it is such a miserable place that you have to put down Nadal the way you do.
I agree, but having said all that, Nadal missed a couple of shots on break point in the second that I would expect him to make. And Federer looked distinctly anxious. Still, it gives us all hope for a real contest at the French.
Let me be the first to welcome our good pal, NBMJ back to the boards.
His posts and threads are back!!!
What happened? Some secret negotiations with TW to get the posts back? Deleted is not really deleted, more like recycle bin?
Is this a preparation for a great comeback in time for the RG?
Drakulie, your signature continued after his premature demise and must have brought him back.
Phoenix rises from Arizona, err, ashes.
But where is he? Has he posted recently?
His ghost still lurks around. It has gotten into drakulie.
I don't know. I happened to be looking for an old post about Wimbledon/Nadal, and saw one of his posts. Then I started reading the thread and realized all his posts are back on line. Good stuff!
I started a thread in TW questions about it.
It could just be some software glitch with the server which resulted in deleted posts being brought back.
he doesnt need 95" racket he needs self confidence to beat nadal murray and djoko
Are you aware of any moderation changes?
Well it's obviously pointless to argue with you, so all I'll say is that I think conditions played a much larger role in Feds Madrid victory than you do. Yes Fed had to play smart and well to win, but I don't think he would have been able to if the conditions had been more normal.
And what exactly is "normal"? It looked like a pretty "normal" day to me.
I didn't get to watch the match, unfortunatley. Was it raining and dark like it was at Wimbledon 2008?
there are way to many of these i think he is going to use the k90 till his next signature model comes out wich will probably be a 90 as well
I explained all this before so I'm done with this thread.
Actually the conditions were perfect for tennis according to Jason Goodall which is what some were suggesting was the problem. Had it been windy, cold, and damp they suggest that Nads would have fared better. Problem is, it was all that and more in Hamburg the last time Federer beat Nads. I really don't have a dog in the fight except that I think the *******s ought to be forthright and magnanimous and just say that the better man won on that day. Federer played on the same court, at the same altitude, at the same temperature.
IMHO, if anyone is looking for excuses it should be the *******s. As well as Federer played, he should have beaten Nads worse. The *******s have an excuse. Federer should have beaten Nads like a drum. The reason he didn't was because of the Davis Cup-like crowd who were rabidly supporting Nads.
I guess that the altitude was a factor. Nads grew up on an island and most islands are pretty much sea level by definition. Federer grew up in Switzerland which is dominated by....the Alps. So I guess Federer's lungs developed in a higher altitude environment...blah....blah.....blah....
But, Federer grew up on snow in the Alps where the footing is more sure. Nads grew up on an island where sand is prevalent which is akin to the footing on a clay court. So Nads should have blah...blah....blah.....blah
Nadal will win the FO 100 guarantee.....the only question is will Federer even get a set?
I recollect that Nadal has won indoors in Madrid in the past. It is difficult to say what difference playing indoors in Madrid and on clay in Madrid would have for Nadal.
I was in Spain last week and the consensus (before the final) was that Nadal wasn't playing at his best. But he was still good enough to reach the final. The difference between number 1 and number 2 in the world is perhaps not so great that a dip in form by the number 1 wil not lead to a loss to the number 2. The difference between number 1 and say number 8 or 9 may be big enough to survive a dip in form.
But the good news is that it give us real hope of a contest at Roland garros. Especially if Federer gets some confidence into his game.
and if Fed gets rid of that racquet
Fed has the right racquet.
Yes, Fed has the right racquet. pmerk34 does not have the right racquet.
actually, judging from how tired he (Nadal) always is>>> he not only needs a larger frame, but one that is much, **MUCH** lighter than the one he currently uses.
Hehehehe. Good stuff.
BTW, I'll be in Nashville July 7-10, staying at the Gaylord Opryland Hotel. Hoping to hit up with you and CC! Will keep you posted.
Will do. Look forward to checking out that big serve!
I found the right one eventually.
And the NBMJ saga continues as the posts are mysteriously gone again!
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