Who wants some fast grass?

SirGounder

Hall of Fame
It's crazy to see the low bouncing. I don't know if it's the angle or not, but ball seemed to stay ridiculously low. I'd love to see some more of that fast grass. If we already have slow high bouncing clay, why not fast low bouncing grass?
 

Feña14

G.O.A.T.
Yep, a few tournaments here and there would be nice.

I personally enjoy the current grass, i've said before that it's the best surface for todays game.
 

BeHappy

Hall of Fame
Look how low Federer's slice keeps.


Absolutely fantastic, you can see what an advantage Federer's one handed backhand with, his conservative grip that makes him vulnerable to Nadal, is on a low bouncing court like this. If Federer and nadal played here Nadal wouldn't win a single game.
 
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joe sch

Legend
Yes, for sure !
Tennis really needs more court surface variety like the bygone days. Faster grass and hard courts. This would really help bring back some new excitement into tennis and reward players who can play allcourt attacking tennis. Just consider the tennis played at this years TMC year end tournament. The Federer Tsonga match was beautiful.
 
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1970CRBase

Guest
If they switched to truly fast low bouncing grass, Tsonga will switch to ohb and KPS 88, serve 2000 aces per year and come in behind every single serve.
 
ViscaB said:
For fast-ACTING grass you need to be in my hometown Amsterdam.
Fixed your post-hope you don't mind ;- )

Interesting topic especially considering how back in the day people complained about Sampras, Goran etc. enjoying an advantage with their serves while lamenting the short points in general.
 
I'd love to see more fast grass like this. I think you'd see a rise in serve-volley type play and a slight decline in this constant grinding baseline play that most people are getting bored with.
 

namelessone

Legend
Interesting surface.

I do find it funny that even though it is much lower bouncing, they still don't go to the net that much.
 

Kaz00

Semi-Pro
What I like most is how close they are to the baseline and sometimes have to stay inside the baseline. GOAT surface
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Look how low Federer's slice keeps.


Absolutely fantastic, you can see what an advantage Federer's one handed backhand with, his conservative grip that makes him vulnerable to Nadal, is on a low bouncing court like this. If Federer and nadal played here Nadal wouldn't win a single game.

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Sentinel

Bionic Poster
Who wants some fast grass?

Certainly not El Rafito. Anything fast or low-bouncing makes him barf.
 

BeHappy

Hall of Fame
You know, I would love to see Australia play Spain in Davis Cup on that surface, it would be very interesting.
 

coloskier

Legend
You know, I would love to see Australia play Spain in Davis Cup on that surface, it would be very interesting.

For that matter, every country should play Spain on indoor carpet or on a wood surface. Lopez might win a match or two, but everyone else would get slaughtered.
 
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1970CRBase

Guest
Interesting surface.

I do find it funny that even though it is much lower bouncing, they still don't go to the net that much.

well as I see it, conditions (balls surfaces) are too slow on one hand, on the other hand, tech (Strings and bats) are too powerful. What this combination means is that baseline to baseline rallies, it is practically impossible to hit the ball past somebody until they keel over of exhaustion; whereas passing shots against somebody in front of the net become way too cheap and easy. Yes, it is interesting in that there is no more camping ten feet behind the baseline on grass anymore (exposing the whole humbug of "tradition") and that Fed's bh is really not a weakness at all. I never agreed it was, generally, only that the way each deck of cards in each players hand stack up against each other sometimes makes one hand particularly exploitable by another; hence bad match up. I'd like to see a third of the year grass tournaments like this (or maybe 1/3 year grass, half of the grass tournys fast grass, the other half slowish grass), a third fast and slow clay and a third hard court with the indoor events included in those. In the end, who wants fast grass at tournaments, it wouldn't be us, the game is just what the people who control the revenue says it is.
 

jones101

Hall of Fame
Probably the same, but bcoz of the resodding it could play "slicker". What I'm curious about is the choice of balls. That could have a bigger impact on playspeed. Imagine the FO Babolat ball on grass...oh my!

My fellow BOTE, with such balls RogiClass would feast on all opponents on the way to victory the same way an eagle would devour rabbit.

He would leave a trail of mangled ATP carcus in his wake.

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NamRanger

G.O.A.T.
Interesting surface.

I do find it funny that even though it is much lower bouncing, they still don't go to the net that much.



That's because neither guy is going to go to the net because neither are really that comfortable at net (Federer is pretty good, but not that good).
 

TTMR

Hall of Fame
Something you don't notice as much when watching clips of old school Wimbledon tennis because it was dominated by S&V, that you do notice here between these baseliners, is how much slower the game actually is.

The reason being that you can see and hear these guys scoop the ball with their racquets a little because the ball is so low bouncing, and they are hitting a little less over and through the ball than they would in higher bouncing conditions. It would not shock me if the average groundstroke speed in this match was below the 2011 mean. (obviously adjusting for Tomic, as he is a relatively slow hitter, but still)
 

TTMR

Hall of Fame
Also, it's very easy to look at the highlights of one baseline-dominated match and say, "Yeah!!! This is real tennis, FTW!" But if this surface were more prevalent and were returned to Wimbledon, you would not see many matches like this. You would see endless aces and a few 2-3 stroke rallies (mostly on the volley) on the side. You don't see how boring Wimbledon tennis pre-2002 was on youtube highlights, since the aces, service winners, return errors and double faults are usually cut out.
 

helloworld

Hall of Fame
Fed's game is probably the most suited to play on old grass in this current era. If they change Wimbledon court to this type of grass, Federer will be the heavy favorite as nobody in this era know how to play in this type of grass, lol.
 

Crazy man

Banned
That's because neither guy is going to go to the net because neither are really that comfortable at net (Federer is pretty good, but not that good).

Um, to my knowledge, Federer is one of the few players around today with good net skills. Ok, he might miss easy volleys now and again, but he is natural up at the net. If you don't come to the net as much as you did/should then you will make mistakes.



He volleys with his 'feet' instead of his 'hands' (a flaw in which is common among horrible net players), his anticpation and his reactions promote his net play combined with a good wing span he could have easily had a great career serve and volleying on the faster surfaces. He did implement this strategy when he was younger, I'll remember the Wimbledon 2003 semi-final with Roddick as one of his greatest s&v performances on a current surface.



The only players with a better net game than Federer are Mahut, Llodra, Lopez. Other players with natural volley techniques and don't look stiff (ala Roddick or Soderling and some cases Nadal on above average volleys) include Djokovic who is just a natural hitter and Murray. Neither of these guys come to the net because A) In Djokovic's case, he doesn't need too and B) Murray doesn't isn't aggressive enough to do. I will revert back to say Nadal does have intelligent approach shots, which makes up for maybe the fact he can't execute tough volleys. Federer sometimes gambles on appraoch shots (similarly to Roddick), but has the reflexes and hand/eye coordination to be effective.


Federer is quite flexible which helps him get to some difficult passes/lobs.




Just my opinion anyway.
 

Crazy man

Banned
Fed's game is probably the most suited to play on old grass in this current era. If they change Wimbledon court to this type of grass, Federer will be the heavy favorite as nobody in this era know how to play in this type of grass, lol.

Guys like Roddick and Karlovic would probably beg to differ. Players who would have been hungry enough for sucess (Djokovic and Nadal) would have adapted to play a game suited for faster courts.
 

NamRanger

G.O.A.T.
Um, to my knowledge, Federer is one of the few players around today with good net skills. Ok, he might miss easy volleys now and again, but he is natural up at the net. If you don't come to the net as much as you did/should then you will make mistakes.



He volleys with his 'feet' instead of his 'hands' (a flaw in which is common among horrible net players), his anticpation and his reactions promote his net play combined with a good wing span he could have easily had a great career serve and volleying on the faster surfaces. He did implement this strategy when he was younger, I'll remember the Wimbledon 2003 semi-final with Roddick as one of his greatest s&v performances on a current surface.



The only players with a better net game than Federer are Mahut, Llodra, Lopez. Other players with natural volley techniques and don't look stiff (ala Roddick or Soderling and some cases Nadal on above average volleys) include Djokovic who is just a natural hitter and Murray. Neither of these guys come to the net because A) In Djokovic's case, he doesn't need too and B) Murray doesn't isn't aggressive enough to do. I will revert back to say Nadal does have intelligent approach shots, which makes up for maybe the fact he can't execute tough volleys. Federer sometimes gambles on appraoch shots (similarly to Roddick), but has the reflexes and hand/eye coordination to be effective.


Federer is quite flexible which helps him get to some difficult passes/lobs.




Just my opinion anyway.




Federer's netgame is laughable at times, he relies on the fact that he is coming in on an amazing forehand or easy put away. Even then he still misses. Yes, Federer is pretty good at the net, but there are players that are ALOT more players that are better than him at the net, that are nowhere near the top. Pretty much almost every top 30 or so doubles player for instance has better volleys than Federer.
 

gsharma

Professional
This is old school. The bounce is low and ball is skidding. Almost better to keep slicing your backhand rather than hitting a topspin backhand.
 
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