Who was Better? 2010 Novak Djokovic or 2024 Jannik Sinner

Which Player was Better?

  • Novak Djokovic

  • Jannik Sinner


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JoshDragon

Hall of Fame
If you transported Jannik Sinner out of 2024 and into 2010. The year that Nadal was almost untouchable, but before Djokovic's best years on the tour and made him fight it out with the Big 3 at their very best, how would he do? What would his ranking be at the end of the year?

You decide.
 

JoshDragon

Hall of Fame
@JoshDragon Djokovic 2010 was a very promising player but there’s no way he defeats Sinner 2024 on hard
There is no way that Sinner beats 2010 Roger Federer at a grand slam. In fact, I actually think that Sinner would have a very tough time with Roger Federer. Maybe even more so than the other members of the Big 3. Federer could expose Sinner's footwork. In the same way that he did to Roddick.
 

dking68

Legend
There is no way that Sinner beats 2010 Roger Federer at a grand slam. In fact, I actually think that Sinner would have a very tough time with Roger Federer. Maybe even more so than the other members of the Big 3. Federer could expose Sinner's footwork. In the same way that he did to Roddick.
Sinner 2024 has a better serve, forehand and backhand than Djokovic 2010. Movement is debatable but I don’t see why Sinner 2024 would not be able to win that match.
 

Tennisfan339

Professional
Not in slams. Maybe 2009 is his worst slam season

OP didn't specify "slam". If I compare the levels of play, he was better in 2009. His only good match in 2010 was the US Open final and he still lost. And the meaningless Davis Cup. The rest was quite catastrophic. Even in Dubaï (his biggest title in 2010) his level was dismal. Sunshine Double 2010 was as bad as 2017-2019. Not a single Masters final. 2009 was a very successful season in Masters (Paris, Cincinnati, Miami, Monaco, Rome, Shanghaï). His level in these Masters was decent. Slightly better results in slams in 2010 but overall he was much better in 2009 IMO.
 

MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
He would win a slam.
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2010 Djokovic was terrible for most of the year as Martin destroyed his serve, so definitely Sinner.

Give me ‘08 Djoko over ‘24 Sinner though. Perhaps ‘07 Spring-USO Djokovic too.

‘09 Djokovic or ‘24 Sinner is a better question. I would take Djokovic on clay and Sinner elsewhere.
08 Djoko played better than Sinner at every tournament so far except Miami and maybe MC.
I am positive this will hold true for RG, Cincy, USO and possibly YEC and Canada too.

09 Djoko could also outperform Sinner in Cincy, USO, Paris and YEC, he was pretty good in all 4.

07 Djoko I think will eventually get passed if Sinner keeps it up. Better AO from Sinner, slightly better Sunshine double + clay season from Novak and projected Canada + USO, probably better Wimbledon, Cincy and indoors from Sinner.
 
There is no way that Sinner beats 2010 Roger Federer at a grand slam. In fact, I actually think that Sinner would have a very tough time with Roger Federer. Maybe even more so than the other members of the Big 3. Federer could expose Sinner's footwork. In the same way that he did to Roddick.
not at AO or RG, but wim and USO are winnable
 

dking68

Legend
I said in the finals. Obviously, I'm not talking about the one slam where Nadal was carrying an injury.
Let’s wait until the end of the season. But I do think he defeats him indoors and majority of the outdoor hardcourt events against the 2010 version of Nadal
 

tudwell

G.O.A.T.
2010 Djokovic was terrible for most of the year as Martin destroyed his serve, so definitely Sinner.

Give me ‘08 Djoko over ‘24 Sinner though. Perhaps ‘07 Spring-USO Djokovic too.

‘09 Djokovic or ‘24 Sinner is a better question. I would take Djokovic on clay and Sinner elsewhere.
I don’t know. Sinner is both holding and breaking serve at a significantly higher clip than 2008 Djokovic. Granted, he hasn’t even played a full half a season quite yet, so it’s not a 1-to-1 comparison, and I do expect Sinner’s hold rate to drop at some point – but I also think it’s reasonable to state that Sinner has a better service and definitely a better return game than 2008 Djokovic. At least on a day-in-day-out basis. I’ll take 08ovic at the Aussie every day and twice on Sundays. But compare his average tournament performance to Sinner’s since he leveled up last fall? I think the Italian has, at the very least, more consistently brought a higher level, even if Novak’s highest level in 08 was just as good if not better.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Since when has this forum been right about anything?
You had people predicting Fed would win AO 2017 before the draw. Not many, but several. Others correctly predicted Cilic winning the USO, Del Po beating Fed at '09 USO or Stan winning RG in 2015.

Lightning does strike here.
 

Holmes

Hall of Fame
Sinner was more confident and his game more defined. Novak was still figuring out his health and his serve was shaky.
 

dking68

Legend
I don’t know. Sinner is both holding and breaking serve at a significantly higher clip than 2008 Djokovic. Granted, he hasn’t even played a full half a season quite yet, so it’s not a 1-to-1 comparison, and I do expect Sinner’s hold rate to drop at some point – but I also think it’s reasonable to state that Sinner has a better service and definitely a better return game than 2008 Djokovic. At least on a day-in-day-out basis. I’ll take 08ovic at the Aussie every day and twice on Sundays. But compare his average tournament performance to Sinner’s since he leveled up last fall? I think the Italian has, at the very least, more consistently brought a higher level, even if Novak’s highest level in 08 was just as good if not better.
Anyone who’s picking Djokovic 2010 clearly doesn’t know much about tennis. Sinner is holding serve at a significantly higher level and returning nautical miles better
 

TheFifthSet

Legend
I don’t know. Sinner is both holding and breaking serve at a significantly higher clip than 2008 Djokovic. Granted, he hasn’t even played a full half a season quite yet, so it’s not a 1-to-1 comparison, and I do expect Sinner’s hold rate to drop at some point – but I also think it’s reasonable to state that Sinner has a better service and definitely a better return game than 2008 Djokovic. At least on a day-in-day-out basis. I’ll take 08ovic at the Aussie every day and twice on Sundays. But compare his average tournament performance to Sinner’s since he leveled up last fall? I think the Italian has, at the very least, more consistently brought a higher level, even if Novak’s highest level in 08 was just as good if not better.


Well-said.


Honestly the “match stat” case for Sinner is just about beyond reproach. I know these numbers flatter to deceive but 90/30 (93%sgw, 32%rgw) splits are pretty damn impressive, even over a 30 match span.

28-3, 93%/32% sgw/rgw, 55.9% tpw. Incredible stuff.

And I’m also unfairly handicapping him by assuming he cools off due to the injury and other things.

Regardless, I’d still take ‘08 Djoko. Up to the same point in the year he was:

28-6, with 88%/36% serve/return splits and 55.2% tpw. Easily better in the slam they won, probably a better HC master-winning level, then he went and outperformed him in the clay masters (Rome was a weak field, but he showed a great losing level at Hamburg, Rafa is Rafa). I mean even his showings at RG and Queens were very good, despite the losses, and his return numbers are actually significantly better.

I love that Sinner is ascending but I’m gonna need to see a higher top level before I can put him above ‘08 Djoko (especially considering the total absence of an opponent comparable to ‘08 Fedal). Still three more slams to go, of course.
 
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dking68

Legend
Well-said.


Honestly the “match stat” case for Sinner is just about beyond reproach. I know these numbers flatter to deceive but 90/30 (93%sgw, 32%rgw) splits are pretty damn impressive, even over a 30 match span.

28-3, 93%/32% sgw/rgw, 55.9% tpw. Incredible stuff.

And I’m also unfairly handicapping him by assuming he cools off due to the injury and other things.

Regardless, I’d still take ‘08 Djoko. Up to the same point in the year he was:

28-6, with 88%/36% serve/return splits and 55.2% tpw. Easily better in the slam they won, probably a better HC master-winning level, then he went and outperformed him in the clay masters (Rome was a weak field, but he showed a great losing level at Hamburg, Rafa is Rafa). I mean even his showings at RG and Queens were very good, despite the losses, and his return numbers are actually significantly better.

I love that Sinner is ascending but I’m gonna need to see a higher top level before I can put him above ‘08 Djoko (especially considering the total absence of an opponent comparable to ‘08 Fedal). Still three more slams to go, of course.
28-2
 

BauerAlmeida

Hall of Fame
2010 Djokovic was terrible for most of the year as Martin destroyed his serve, so definitely Sinner.

Give me ‘08 Djoko over ‘24 Sinner though. Perhaps ‘07 Spring-USO Djokovic too.

‘09 Djokovic or ‘24 Sinner is a better question. I would take Djokovic on clay and Sinner elsewhere.

This.

2024 hasn't even reached its 50% duration.

And this.

Sinner 2024 is better than any Djokovic apart from 2011, 2015/16


LOL, no.
 

Midaso240

Legend
Sinner for me, I think people might be viewing pre-2011 Djokovic with rose tinted glasses. In saying that though, the year isn't over we need to see what Sinner does on the clay season that is left and grass
 

tudwell

G.O.A.T.
Well-said.


Honestly the “match stat” case for Sinner is just about beyond reproach. I know these numbers flatter to deceive but 90/30 (93%sgw, 32%rgw) splits are pretty damn impressive, even over a 30 match span.

28-3, 93%/32% sgw/rgw, 55.9% tpw. Incredible stuff.

And I’m also unfairly handicapping him by assuming he cools off due to the injury and other things.

Regardless, I’d still take ‘08 Djoko. Up to the same point in the year he was:

28-6, with 88%/36% serve/return splits and 55.2% tpw. Easily better in the slam they won, probably a better HC master-winning level, then he went and outperformed him in the clay masters (Rome was a weak field, but he showed a great losing level at Hamburg, Rafa is Rafa). I mean even his showings at RG and Queens were very good, despite the losses, and his return numbers are actually significantly better.

I love that Sinner is ascending but I’m gonna need to see a higher top level before I can put him above ‘08 Djoko (especially considering the total absence of an opponent comparable to ‘08 Fedal). Still three more slams to go, of course.
Interesting. I saw Novak's RGW% for the year 2008 on hardcourts was "just" 27%, but looks like in the first part of the year (according to UTS) it was a whopping 33%. Which means a pretty big drop off in the second half. Didn't realize it was that high in the equivalent part of the season so I suppose I have to take back my comments on their return games.
 
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