Who was the most annoying character in Breaking Bad ?

[Razer]

The accolades go to their heads. They begin to think anything they write is 'genius'.

Like Jesse figuring out that Brock had been poisoned by Walt. For Jesse (about to go into hiding) to quickly figure all this out all because the bodyguard had pickpocketed his weed was one of those lost-their-minds writing moments. When Jesse deduced that the ricin cigarette (like his weed) had been pickpocketed earlier, why would he connect it to Brock's poisoning? The doctors had attributed the cause to the berries of a plant...not ricin.



I agree. I think it was the writers' way of keeping Walt as the likable protagonist...one who was still sensitive and willing to give up his violently-earned millions for an in-law who despised him.

Jess figuring out the Ricin thing was also BS, I agree. That was a sudden twist which was unnecessary.

IMO, in an ideal world Walter in Season 5 probably would have killed Hank on the same day that he punched Walter in the Garage and revealed that he has figured it out. Someone that ruthless who killed off Gus Fring and became indifferent to murder of kids was definitely not gonna spare his brother in law. Walter's entire cover was blown the moment he decided to spare Hank.

The Drama in Season 5 was top notch, we cannot complain of that. The only problem is that it was a bit unrealistic. That having said I think the writers did an amazing job, most of the Tv shows that we've seen the last season always become trash, at least Breaking Bad did deliver what the audience wanted, so I am not complaining about Walter winning in the end & the show making him larger than life.

 

[ALCARAZWON]

Walter's desperate move in giving away 80M to save his brother in law Hank was also an unrealistic move, the Walter we know who wanted to provide for his children at all cost would never have give the co ordinates to Todd's uncle.

Yep, the writers were trying to be as unpredictable as possible, and sacrificed logic and consistency.
That's one of the reasons why The Sopranos is better, the characters were consistent, so it actually felt like real life.

The accolades go to their heads. They begin to think anything they write is 'genius'.

Like Jesse figuring out that Brock had been poisoned by Walt. For Jesse (about to go into hiding) to quickly figure all this out all because the bodyguard had pickpocketed his weed was one of those lost-their-minds writing moments. When Jesse deduced that the ricin cigarette (like his weed) had been pickpocketed earlier, why would he connect it to Brock's poisoning? The doctors had attributed the cause to the berries of a plant...not ricin.

I forgot about that, great point, that Jesse-ricin story-arc confused me.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

I normally struggle to watch stuffs with just subtitles without knowing the language that is being spoken, I donno why, the connect just doesn't come. English is not my first language either but it has been like my 1st since toddler days & I've been watching Hollywood stuffs since kid years, thats why I watch all these shows. Hollywood movies and tv shows are watched worldwide, cant say the same for other languages', so it is tough.

Is it available in dubbed? The original language is Spanish, right?

I did not watch Dark as well due to it being in german, I love sci fi but had to skip it...



Thanks...I'll first watch Wire and Sopranos, then will shift to these.

Yeah, it's in Spanish. Not sure about dubs right now, although I'm sure they will be available soon enough. I'm not fond of subtitles either, mainly because I have to be close to the screen and can't watch from the comfort of my bed or whatever. It was Narcos and Gomorrah that made me change my ways and watch shows with subtitles.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

 

[Sentinel]

I remember the guy with the large ears, he was in Suits.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

I remember the guy with the large ears, he was in Suits.

Yep Louis Litt stole his cat.

 

[Deleted member 765728]

 

[Razer]

Instead of running all this drug thing it would have been so much easier to ask Gretchen and Elliot for 100M $ since Walter is one of the founders of their company. They were probably billionaires, their company was worth 2B, they must he having like 50% stake in it. Gretchen had a lot of guilt for paying Walter just 5,000$.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Instead of running all this drug thing it would have been so much easier to ask Gretchen and Elliot for 100M $ since Walter is one of the founders of their company. They were probably billionaires, their company was worth 2B, they must he having like 50% stake in it. Gretchen had a lot of guilt for paying Walter just 5,000$.

No one is paying 100 mil out of guilt. Even not Bezos or Gates.

You need LEVERAGE for others to pay you. Forget about goodness of heart and stuff.

Now they did offer him job and all expense paid insurance and other perks but for him it's more demeaning than being a school teacher. What an egotist.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Brother if your company is worth 2 billion, that doesn't mean you have 2 billion. This valuation stuff is very complicated to understand.

 

[Razer]

Brother if your company is worth 2 billion, that doesn't mean you have 2 billion. This valuation stuff is very complicated to understand.

Gretchen and Elliot wrote 28M $ cheque just like that as a donation in season 5, of course they are Billionaires. At least 1 Billion.

Yeah 100M is too much but maybe they would pay him 10 or 20 or maybe even 50... who knows ? Gretchen could have been emotionally manipulated by Walter, she was his ex and she had a soft spot for him despite them parting ways.

 

[Razer]

Now they did offer him job and all expense paid insurance and other perks but for him it's more demeaning than being a school teacher. What an egotist.

Can't blame him, he founded the company, anything less than a position in the BOD would be insulting to him. I dont think a job would cut it.

Season 5 was a bit unrealistic, what the real walter should have done was just kill off Hank and then continue cooking....expand his meth empire bigtime and become as big as Gus Fring, maybe even bigger.

I think Gus Fring was a Billionaire too...

 

[nolefam_2024]

Gretchen and Elliot wrote 28M $ cheque just like that as a donation in season 5, of course they are Billionaires. At least 1 Billion.

Yeah 100M is too much but maybe they would pay him 10 or 20 or maybe even 50... who knows ? Gretchen could have been emotionally manipulated by Walter, she was his ex and she had a soft spot for him despite them parting ways.

 

[Razer]

Yeah, a lot of those donations is to their own foundations, I know. Maybe you do have a point, Gretchen and Elliot aint giving away 100M $... In an ideal world where Walter doesnt get cancer I guess Elliot aint giving away anything.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Yeah, a lot of those donations is to their own foundations, I know. Maybe you do have a point, Gretchen and Elliot aint giving away 100M $... In an ideal world where Walter doesnt get cancer I guess Elliot aint giving away anything.

They may give him a million bucks or so but before doing that he will have to forgo all the past details.

Anyway Walter white in your terms was a BETA man who allowed his idea to be stolen. Which is why he broke bad in his 50s.

 

[Razer]

They may give him a million bucks or so but before doing that he will have to forgo all the past details.

Anyway Walter white in your terms was a BETA man who allowed his idea to be stolen. Which is why he broke bad in his 50s.

Dont talk like a fool brother, you need to understand what Alpha and Beta really are before branding the star of the show as a Beta. Do you even realize what Alpha and Beta are or you write nonsense ? Walter was an alpha like character, that why he could never take up the job which Elliot gave, thats why he build up a Meth empire, killed Gus Fring, all that was way beyond betas like Elliot. It is actually Elliot who is a Beta, not Walter. Walter threatened Elliot and like a sniveling Beta that he is, he caved in, I am sure he must have paid Walter's son the 10M dollars that Walter gave to them fearing the sniper.... LOL.....



Here is an excerpt from Quora on Walter White and why he broke bad so late ..... Read it.


Imagine your Nobel Prize-winning scientific contributions being the main or sole reason for the creation of a billion-dollar company. Which you walked away from, before it earned said money, for reasons you can’t really admit to yourself because no reason will ever be good enough for doing something so idiotic. Then, imagine becoming a severely underappreciated high school chemistry teacher, having to take a second job at a car wash just to make enough to get by, in effect trying to command respect from people whose cars you literally wash outside of class. You can’t help but check the stock price of this company every single week, just imagining what could have been. Everything about your life screams a total lack of control, as well as a total lack of fulfillment.

Meanwhile, your wife is unemployed and seems to take pride in meaningless side hustles that will never make enough money to achieve financial security. While expecting an unintended baby. Your son regularly and eagerly treats your brother-in-law, the boisterous and regularly condescending macho man, with more respect than you. And finally, you get diagnosed with lung cancer one day after your 50th birthday, despite never having smoked one cigarette in your entire life.

So, you break bad. You find your former student, make drugs with him, and end up killing two people just to save yourself, in pursuit of making money from meth. You are taking back control of your life, finally. It may not be ideal, but it’s finally something that you can really say is yours.

Now, you go to your former co-founder’s birthday party, even though you don’t want to. You don’t bring a fancy gift because the invitation specifies not to do so, and when everyone else brings enormous presents, you feel like an ******* even though you are literally the only one who followed the rules. Then, your former co-founder decides to open everyone’s gifts to an audience, which effectively means he is either too stupid or too apathetic to realize that your lack of money will be evident to this crowd of rich, accomplished people — characteristics that Walt already has to see in his students, but is now seeing in people much more successful than him. What message could this possibly send, other than that he is unimportant, and that even making a genuine attempt to be a good member of society gets you absolutely nowhere, if you aren’t already an important person?

But, lo and behold! Your founder appreciates your gift more than anyone else’s, because it is heartfelt and thoughtful, and it connects with strong memories of your time together. Your contribution in a socially acceptable setting finally matters. You can barely believe your ears and your eyes, and you relax, so you finally are able to sit down with him and have a reminiscent chat like friends.

And then…he offers you a job. A chance to be his employee, at the company that you co-founded, which your research is largely or entirely responsible for. And he emphasizes that this job comes with ‘excellent health insurance’. You look over at your wife, who sees you and avoids your gaze.

And it clicks: your friend could have offered this at any time, between when you left the company and now. It’s literally been decades. So he’s not offering it out of friendship — he’s offering it out of pity. And he only found out because your wife felt the need to gossip about your problems behind your back, further depriving you of any agency. Yet another person, one whom he already mostly hated to begin with, treating him like a charity case. It’s an opportunity to go back to being someone else’s *****. First, the school and the car wash, and now it’s Elliot, the man profiting off of his genius. Yet another path back to a mediocre existence, where nothing you do or say matters in the slightest, where no one even feels much of anything for you besides that infuriating pity. Pity, for a motherfucking Nobel Prize winner.

Would you take the job? Maybe you would. Maybe you would be practical about it. But if you were living with decades of resentment and unfulfillment in your heart, knowing you’re a genius but also knowing that nobody else can see it, you might literally be incapable of handling such a choice. Emotions dictate the human heart far more than logic can ever hope to reign it in. There’s a reason why Walter White is defined by ego and pride — his entire life has been one disappointment and oversight after another, endless failures to see his vast potential as a human being become something real and lasting in the world. Resentment corrodes everything. Coupled with the fact that basically every character in this universe has absolutely terrible communication skills, and limited emotional intelligence, is it really any surprise that he said no?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Dont talk like a fool brother, you need to understand what Alpha and Beta really are before branding the star of the show as a Beta. Do you even realize what Alpha and Beta are or you write nonsense ? Walter was an alpha like character, that why he could never take up the job which Elliot gave, thats why he build up a Meth empire, killed Gus Fring, all that was way beyond betas like Elliot. It is actually Elliot who is a Beta, not Walter. Walter threatened Elliot and like a sniveling Beta that he is, he caved in, I am sure he must have paid Walter's son the 10M dollars that Walter gave to them fearing the sniper.... LOL.....

Yes so in your terms only, Walter BECAME an alpha after cancer diagnosis.

But before that he was a beta who got pushed out of a billion dollar worthy idea and became a school teacher. Do you know how much he would have to suck to spend 25+ years doing school teaching to jerks like Jesse Pinkman? That's a definition beta.

 

[Razer]

Yes so in your terms only, Walter BECAME an alpha after cancer diagnosis.

But before that he was a beta who got pushed out of a billion dollar worthy idea and became a school teacher. Do you know how much he would have to suck to spend 25+ years doing school teaching to jerks like Jesse Pinkman? That's a definition beta.

Yes you could say that, he was a Beta like character until he crossed 50 and got cancer, that brought out the real Walter and he became alpha. You can say that Cancer for Walter was like 2010 season for Novak, completely changed his ways and became a ruler from 2011, like that. Walter was always a rebel from within but he was not having the right attitude till then.

One mistake of Walter was that he should never have broken up with Gretchen. Being insecure of a woman's wealth is really bad, if your woman is wealthy then good for you, be proud of it and don't hesitate to spend her money, always remember she is with you despite all that wealth for a reason Walter should never have dumped Gretchen but he got insecure after meeting her family and then broke up, like an idiot he sold his stake in the company he founded with Elliot. He gave 5000$ to Elliot and left, so Elliot started dating Gretchen now, used Walter's research to expand the company.

Walter has every reason to be angry on himself because t it was his fault, Elliot never stole his work, it was Walter who believed that.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Yes you could say that, he was a Beta like character until he crossed 50 and got cancer, that brought out the real Walter and he became alpha. You can say that Cancer for Walter was like 2010 season for Novak, completely changed his ways and became a ruler from 2011, like that. Walter was always a rebel but he was not having the right attitude till then.

One mistake of Walter was that he should never have broken up with Gretchen. Being insecure of a woman's wealth is really bad, if your woman is wealthy then good for you, be proud of it and don't hesitate to spend it, always remember she is with you despite all that wealth for a reason Walter should never have dumped Gretchen but he got insecure after meeting her family and then broke up, like an idiot he sold his stake in the company he founded with Elliot. He gave 5000$ to Elliot and left, so Elliot started dating Gretchen now, used Walter's research to expand the company.

Water has every reason to be angry but it was his fault, Elliot never stole his work, it was Walter who believed that.

A total beta. That means he pushed himself out. Both of a gorgeous woman and billion dollar company.

 

[Razer]

A total beta. That means he pushed himself out. Both of a gorgeous woman and billion dollar company.

Yes but Elliot himself was and remained a beta..... So Walter is still better.

At least Walter broke bad in the end, good for him.... My only disappointment is that he goofed up in Season 5.... He should have killed Hank, there was no other way.

In an ideal world, Walter should have married Gretchen, been a Billionaire himself, at least he would not have a ret@rd teenage son, he would have had a normal kid. Glad that Walter had Holly at 50, she looks like a nice little toddler who is normal and will grow up into a normal girl, he can take comfort from that fact, otherwise marrying Skyler just sucked to be honest. She is not 10% of Gretchen to be honest.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Yes but Elliot himself was and remained a beta..... So Walter is still better.

At least Walter broke bad in the end, good for him.... My only disappointment is that he goofed up in Season 5.... He should have killed Hank, there was no other way.

In an ideal world, Walter should have married Gretchen, been a Billionaire himself, at least he would not have a ret@rd teenage son, he would have had a normal kid. Glad that Walter had Holly at 50, she looks like a nice little toddler who is normal and will grow up into a normal girl, he can take comfort from that fact, otherwise marrying Skyler just sucked to be honest. She is not 10% of Gretchen to be honest.

But how is Elliot a beta? He has non nagging wife and billion dollars. He is living the dream. His wife isn't screwing around behind his back like Skyler nor is he running away from mafia. He is now a royalty.

Money does make people alpha.

 

[Razer]

That Teenage Son and Marie are the most annoying characters in the show........Damn...everytime you rewatch the show your blood will boil when they are on screen.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I have voted for his son as the most annoying one.

 

[Razer]

But how is Elliot a beta? He has non nagging wife and billion dollars. He is living the dream. His wife isn't screwing around behind his back like Skyler nor is he running away from mafia. He is now a royalty.

Money does make people alpha.

Bro what you need to understand is that Alpha and Beta are personalities and attitudes, it is not about money overall.
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Stan and Safin are alphas despite Murray who is seen as a Beta, now who has had more success? Definetly Murray, but why is the perception like that of Stan and Safin being alphas? It is how they carry themselves, you cannot buy that in the market. Of course Money does add to the personality of people, gives confidence, makes people look better than they otherwise would, but I dare say it is an attitude, not social status.

When Federer was dominating like there is no tomorrow, at that same time you could see young Nadal have an intimidating body language everytime he came to play against anyone, see that is alpha like behavior, not scared of anyone. You cannot buy that in the market with money, some people carry themselves as if they are unique, Nadal deep down knew that he was what he was... these things cannot be trained.

Elliot IMO is a beneficiary of luck.... a weak era merchant.... He got Gretchen, her wealth and Walter's research to build his entire wealth, and he took it as anyone in his place would. He can never ever break bad or do what Walter did with Gus Fring. That is genius,

 

[nolefam_2024]

Bro what you need to understand is that Alpha and Beta are personalities and attitudes, it is not about money overall.
.
Stan and Safin are alphas despite Murray who is seen as a Beta, now who has had more success? Definetly Murray, but why is the perception like that of Stan and Safin being alphas? It is how they carry themselves, you cannot buy that in the market. Of course Money does add to the personality of people, gives confidence, makes people look better than they otherwise would, but I dare say it is an attitude, not social status.

When Federer was dominating like there is no tomorrow, at that same time you could see young Nadal have an intimidating body language everytime he came to play against anyone, see that is alpha like behavior, not scared of anyone. You cannot buy that in the market with money, some people carry themselves as if they are unique, Nadal deep down knew that he was what he was... these things cannot be trained.

Elliot IMO is a beneficiary of luck.... a weak era merchant.... He got Gretchen, her wealth and Walter's research to build his entire wealth, and he took it as anyone in his place would. He can never ever break bad or do what Walter did with Gus Fring. That is genius,

Nice. Then agreed he was alpha after cancer.

 

[Razer]

Good to see 0 votes for Hank Schrader.

He was a good man but he was very troubled from within, reason was his job, his crazy wife, and more importantly he having no children which resulted in he having no motivation to let go of Walter or the crime syndicate. Probably he wouldn't be this straight edge if he had pressure to secure future for his kid/kids, would be ok with a few bribes or black money for himself in that case. His life's mission was only to make the society a better place by putting down criminals, he went too far with it and ended up dead. Tragic.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Instead of running all this drug thing it would have been so much easier to ask Gretchen and Elliot for 100M $ since Walter is one of the founders of their company. They were probably billionaires, their company was worth 2B, they must he having like 50% stake in it. Gretchen had a lot of guilt for paying Walter just 5,000$.

Yeah, that would have made for a fascinating TV show.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

The Breaking Bad ending was so sweet. The baby blue song was too perfect. Guess I got what I deserved. Beautiful. Unlike the ending to my favorite show with their don't stop believing balderdash. Just no guts. Tony should have been killed on screen. The end.

''Oh, it's all there'' No, sir, it isn't all there and I don't want to hear about Bobby and his you don't even know when it happens. Funnily enough, we got to know it happens with every other character it happened to.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

I know a lot of the Smallville community don't like how it ended because we didn't get to see Clark in the full on Superman costume. But I didn't mind that. He still became Superman.

 

[Razer]

Yeah, that would have made for a fascinating TV show.

Lol, that certainly would not make Walter White the cult figure that we all love.

He has been a cult figure for 10-15 years, legendary character and a very respected one. He won in the end in his own twisted way.

 

[Dilexson]

I know a lot of the Smallville community don't like how it ended because we didn't get to see Clark in the full on Superman costume. But I didn't mind that. He still became Superman.

Nothing beats six feet under. That last episode was just beautiful and heartfelt.

Good to see 0 votes for Hank Schrader.

He was a good man but he was very troubled from within, reason was his job, his crazy wife, and more importantly he having no children which resulted in he having no motivation to let go of Walter or the crime syndicate. Probably he wouldn't be this straight edge if he had pressure to secure future for his kid/kids, would be ok with a few bribes or black money for himself in that case. His life's mission was only to make the society a better place by putting down criminals, he went too far with it and ended up dead. Tragic.

Somebody mentioned it on youtube, Hank was a tough guy on the outside ,irl he really had a soft heart. by the end of BB , WW was like his opposite self, meek softie outside but near monstrous personality within.

 

[Razer]

Nothing beats six feet under. That last episode was just beautiful and heartfelt.

Somebody mentioned it on youtube, Hank was a tough guy on the outside ,irl he really had a soft heart. by the end of BB , WW was like his opposite self, meek softie outside but near monstrous personality within.

Yeah, Hank was a good guy who was soft inside while Walter was very cruel inside. Walter lacked kindness because he had a lot of anger inside and an ego too which led to a lot of resentment of life, he was a control freak too. Season 5 had Walter at his absolute peak in terms of monstrosity, he was getting more and more ruthless every episode, ready to go to any extent.

Tremendous character evolution.

 

[vokazu]

Walter's desperate move in giving away 80M to save his brother in law Hank was also an unrealistic move, the Walter we know who wanted to provide for his children at all cost would never have give the co ordinates to Todd's uncle.

Walt did not deliberately give the GPS location. He was conned by Jesse + Hank who tricked and scared Walt by pretending they found his money (by sending Walt a fake photo of the money in a bucket in a fake desert), so that Walt would drive to the location of the money, then Jesse and Hank followed Walt because they track Walt's location.


Jack did not know there was money until Walt told him there is money nearby and he would let Jack have the money if Jack lets Hank live.

 

[Razer]

Walt did not deliberately give the GPS location. He was conned by Jesse + Hank who tricked and scared Walt by pretending they found his money (by sending Walt a fake photo of the money in a bucket in a fake desert), so that Walt would drive to the location of the money, then Jesse and Hank followed Walt because they track Walt's location.


Jack did not know there was money until Walt told him there is money nearby and he would let Jack have the money if Jack lets Hank live.

- Walter did not have to tell Jack that there was money, the whole offer of 80M $ to save Hank was pretty stupid to begin with and unrealistic.
- Walter did not even have to give the location of the co-ordinates even if Jesse & Hank had found that, what purpose would giving Jack the co-ordinates serve if he did not want to kill Hank ?
- Walter from first 4 seasons should not have spared Hank the moment he came to know of this.
- Walter did not have to give the accurate GPS location, he could have tweaked it a little bit, they would still have reached close to that location

In many ways giving the co-ordinates was not a wise move.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

I notice a lot of hate for Walt junior. I still thought that scene together when they get the cars is absolutely magnificent. Love it.

''Impossible not to smile at them being so happy.'' Big fat amen to that. Was cool to see Walt being happy, ya know. Try and count how many other times he was happy in the show when he wasn't cooking. There are not many.

 

[Razer]

I notice a lot of hate for Walt junior. I still thought that scene together when they get the cars is absolutely magnificent. Love it.

''Impossible not to smile at them being so happy.'' Big fat amen to that. Was cool to see Walt being happy, ya know. Try and count how many other times he was happy in the show when he wasn't cooking. There are not many.

Great scene, they look really happy, but still it is hard to like Junior Walt.... the boy is really really really cringe.... he probably deserves all the hate... the actor did such a great acting as being a little ret@rd that I could slap him for real if I met him somewhere. Similar to King Joffrey from GOT, you just want to punch him or hate him because it feels so good. I would also put Marie in this league.

 

[vokazu]

I can't really hate someone suffering from Cerebral Palsy.

 

[vokazu]

Lol at Badger and Skinny using red laser Pointers instead of real gun. Walter scared the sh*t out of Gretchens when they saw Walter, the Most Wanted Kingpin, suddenly appeared in their house out of nowhere.

 

[InsuranceMan]

Instead of running all this drug thing it would have been so much easier to ask Gretchen and Elliot for 100M $ since Walter is one of the founders of their company. They were probably billionaires, their company was worth 2B, they must he having like 50% stake in it. Gretchen had a lot of guilt for paying Walter just 5,000$.

You completely missed the whole point of the show. That’s not Walter White. He would have never been able to do this on account of his own ego. The whole show is based centrally on Walt’s ego; in the past with Gretchen’s family and in the present with story examples each season.

 

[jhhachamp]

I liked characters in this order ...

Tier 1 : Great Characters who were entertaining in their own ways

- Walter White
- Hank Schrader
- Saul Goodman
- Gustavo Fring


Tier 2 : Good characters which might be grey shaded but were entertaining, never a burden on the audience

- Jesse Pinkman
- Lydia
- Jane Margolis
- Todd
- Jesse's junkie friends
- Skyler
- Tuco Salamanca (pos but entertaining )
- Mike Ehrmantraut

Tier 3 : Insufferable characters who were a burden on the audience

- Jesse's parents
- Ted Beneke
- Walter's Teenage Son [second worst]
- Marie [worst personality in the show]

Gus and Mike are both amazing characters and deserve to be well above Saul. I could still see Saul in tier 1, but he isn't on the level of those characters. It's especially apparent in Better Call Saul, the story lines around Mike are way more interesting than the story lines around Saul. Other than that, I generally agree with it all. I think Jessie was a very solid character though and deserves to be in tier 1.

 

[jhhachamp]

Idk what it is with TV shows but when people hype something to the moon, I automatically know it won't be for me. Tried it with True Blood and Game of Thrones etc and always like "meh" lol. I have zero interest in Squid Game bc of how it blew up. I'm kinda curious about Stranger Things but I feel I wouldn't like that either bc of the intergalactic hype

Some shows are hyped to the moon because they are amazing, such as Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones. They are simply ridiculously good shows. Squid Games is moderately entertaining but cannot possibly be put in the same category as those shows. That one got hyped because of good marketing and being a bit crazy and unique. It's ridiculous to think that all shows that get hype are overrated, unless you only like shows that no one else likes.

 

[jhhachamp]

I just feel any show that says watch until season x it gets better is not a good thing.

Hype was high for GOT and when people didn't like it, they were told it gets better.

It does get better, but it also great to start. The first time watching it, the first few episodes are very confusing, with so many characters introduced. I found that reading the plot summaries on Entertainment Weekly afterward helped me a lot with understanding the show, especially early on. Watching the show a 2nd time years later was also a great experience and I caught so many things I had not the first time around. It had a really high level of complex writing.

 

[jhhachamp]

Of the high profile shows I'd say "Succession" is the most cringe-worthy and overrated show.
Somebody throwing their cell phone in anger is a big moment in Succession... a show about boring brats.
Also "The Walking Dead" was hugely popular and I could never figure out why, as it seemed rather repetitive.

I'll agree with you that The Walking Dead was overrated. I eventually watched it all and found it entertaining, but it got a lot worse after their leading actor quit the show and dragged on way too long. The last storyline about the commonwealth was done ridiculously poorly. Also the entire premise of the show was never explained.

 

[jhhachamp]

Breaking Bad is so good. But a lot of people need to check out Better Call Saul. Not quite as good imo but it comes really close. Both excellent shows.

Agreed and I really consider them to be the same show. I wish they did an even more prior spin off for Gus from back in Chile, that probably would have been awesome too.

 

[jhhachamp]

Like Jesse figuring out that Brock had been poisoned by Walt. For Jesse (about to go into hiding) to quickly figure all this out all because the bodyguard had pickpocketed his weed was one of those lost-their-minds writing moments. When Jesse deduced that the ricin cigarette (like his weed) had been pickpocketed earlier, why would he connect it to Brock's poisoning? The doctors had attributed the cause to the berries of a plant...not ricin.

I recall that at the time Jesse suspected Walt had used his ricin cigarette to poison Brock was before they found out it was caused by a plant. When they found that out, that is when his suspicions dropped. I don't recall it being unrealistic.

 

[jhhachamp]

- Walter did not have to tell Jack that there was money, the whole offer of 80M $ to save Hank was pretty stupid to begin with and unrealistic.
- Walter did not even have to give the location of the co-ordinates even if Jesse & Hank had found that, what purpose would giving Jack the co-ordinates serve if he did not want to kill Hank ?
- Walter from first 4 seasons should not have spared Hank the moment he came to know of this.
- Walter did not have to give the accurate GPS location, he could have tweaked it a little bit, they would still have reached close to that location

In many ways giving the co-ordinates was not a wise move.

Of course giving the co-ordinates was not a wise move, but it was Walt's only move at that time. He was out in the middle of the desert and needed help quickly. How else are you going to direct people a random spot deep in the middle of the desert without coordinates? Sure, he could have given nearby coordinates and maybe they don't actually find the money, but they are smart and realized out money was out there, they would have probably have eventually found it one way or another. Yes, Walt could have handled things differently, he wasn't invincible. He had flaws, was working under tremendous stress during that episode, and made mistakes.

 

[Razer]

Gus and Mike are both amazing characters and deserve to be well above Saul. I could still see Saul in tier 1, but he isn't on the level of those characters. It's especially apparent in Better Call Saul, the story lines around Mike are way more interesting than the story lines around Saul. Other than that, I generally agree with it all. I think Jessie was a very solid character though and deserves to be in tier 1.

Hmm maybe you are right.... Pinkman is also entertaining and gets better every season in terms of stability.....he starts off as a junki boy and then matures slowly

Saul I put in Tier 1 because I like his role in the show, the lawyer, street smart, has a solution to all problems.... seems cool..... I am yet to see Better call Saul... maybe will watch it in future when I have time..... I am unable to find time nowadays for starting a new show.... will try later...

 

[Razer]

You completely missed the whole point of the show. That’s not Walter White. He would have never been able to do this on account of his own ego. The whole show is based centrally on Walt’s ego; in the past with Gretchen’s family and in the present with story examples each season.

I said it would be easier to ask money .... heck it would be easier to have never broken up with gretchen in the first place and married her in college..... this doesn't mean we viewers need the easier path

Of course I realize we would not have had a show if Walt never had an ego.....

 

[vokazu]

It's ridiculous to think that all shows that get hype are overrated, unless you only like shows that no one else likes.

He subscribes to Disney+ and likes going to Disneyland.