Who was the third best player in the 2000s (2000-2009) behind Fedal?

Who was the third best player of the 2000's?

  • Lleyton Hewitt

    Votes: 22 13.5%
  • Andre Agassi

    Votes: 49 30.1%
  • Marat Safin

    Votes: 10 6.1%
  • Novak Djokovic

    Votes: 35 21.5%
  • Gustavo Kuerten

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Andy Roddick

    Votes: 39 23.9%
  • David Nalbandian

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • Pete Sampras

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • Nikolay Davydenko

    Votes: 3 1.8%
  • Other (please specify)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    163

NatF

Bionic Poster
I'm sure even Murray in 2009 reached top4 ATP points of the decade.

USO final
WI semi
3 masters titles
1 masters final
4 other titles

Baby Big4 were already better than anyone from Fed's gen has ever been.
Yes making a slam final is better than actually winning two slams etc...lol. What a fail.
 

metsman

G.O.A.T.
It’s definitely between Agassi and Hewitt without a question. They both put up some very respectable numbers despite either being retired or out of the game in the second half of the decade.

Roddick was consistent but doesn’t have any numbers that stood out. His hey day was probably summer 03 when he swept the NA HC season and finished number one but after that, he became Federer’s little b**** (to put it bluntly) for the next decade. One can argue Djokovic had a more successful 2000s decade than Arod did.
No, one can't.
 

Lew II

Legend
Yes making a slam final is better than actually winning two slams etc...lol. What a fail.
In the short timespan Murray was competitive in the 2000s, he made reached a higher peak of ATP points than Hewitt, Roddick or Safin did in the whole decade..

That speaks loudly on how better he is than them.
 

RS

Hall of Fame
In the short timespan Murray was competitive in the 2000s, he made reached a higher peak of ATP points than Hewitt, Roddick or Safin did in the whole decade..

That speaks loudly on how better he is than them.
Murray was better than Roddick and Hewitt in peak seasons but 08-09 was not that.
 
In the short timespan Murray was competitive in the 2000s, he made reached a higher peak of ATP points than Hewitt, Roddick or Safin did in the whole decade..

That speaks loudly on how better he is than them.
Non-peak Roddick beat near-peak Murray at Wimbledon then. lulzworth.
 
On results it's Novak.

The rest is more nebulous subjective stuff, which usually in these parts goes in favor of Fed or his extended family of Hewitt, Roddick, 35 year old Agassi etc.
 

Third Serve

Legend
On results it's Novak.

The rest is more nebulous subjective stuff, which usually in these parts goes in favor of Fed or his extended family of Hewitt, Roddick, 35 year old Agassi etc.
On results it’s unquestionably one of Hewitt or Agassi. Hewitt has 1 more Slam and 1 more YEC win. He also has a lot more weeks at number 1. Agassi has 2 extra Slams and 2 extra Masters. He too has more weeks at number 1.
 

RS

Hall of Fame
On results it’s unquestionably one of Hewitt or Agassi. Hewitt has 1 more Slam and 1 more YEC win. He also has a lot more weeks at number 1. Agassi has 2 extra Slams and 2 extra Masters. He too has more weeks at number 1.
Novak had brutal competition from 07-09 though. Probably the hardest of the bunch.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Novak had brutal competition from 07-09 though. Probably the hardest of the bunch.
Don't know if it was worse than Hewitt/Agassi/Roddick of 04-05 with Fed on grass/HC tbh. Djokovic was basically blocked by a worse Federer on HC and then Nadal on clay. Guess you could say Nadal on clay puts it over but Djokovic wasn't really a factor on grass and Arod/Hewitt had Fed there.
 
To me the Safin vs Roddick comparision is pointless as neither is worthy of the vote in this poll. Atleast Safin has a rightful low number of votes while Roddick with only 1 slam, no success at the WTF, and barely anytime at #1 has a ridiculously large amount of votes with no merit.

Agassi and Hewitt should both be dwarfing them in this poll. Roddick having many more votes than Hewitt is just embarassingly wrong.

Hewitt won nothing after 2002, got lucky playing donk Nalbandian for his Wimbledon title. Got beat by Safin at AO 2005 despite having everything in his favour. Safin even played crap in the first set. Hewitt had his two years in the sun, and was never in Safin's league. He just managed to win a load of titles when the competition was disgusting. in 01-02, Safin was giving zero f's, Fed wasn't Fed, Roddick wasn't in his prime, etc.

Imagine being Roddick, losing to Federer in 3 Wimbledon finals, and lived through Hewitt beating Nalbandian for his Wimbledon title. Haha.

Anyone who thinks Hewitt is better than Safin from a technical perspective needs help mentally. Safin is better than Hewitt at everything on the tennis court aside from the slice, movement, and getting spat on.
 

RS

Hall of Fame
Don't know if it was worse than Hewitt/Agassi/Roddick of 04-05 with Fed on grass/HC tbh. Djokovic was basically blocked by a worse Federer on HC and then Nadal on clay. Guess you could say Nadal on clay puts it over but Djokovic wasn't really a factor on grass and Arod/Hewitt had Fed there.
Hewitt and Roddick is a good point but Federer/Nadal as a combo is hard to argue against. Agassi was not a huge factor outside hc so not sure.
 

RS

Hall of Fame
You believe that surfaces being slower didn't give Murray an advantage over Roddick?

Go back to your crack you crackhead.
Slower surfaces helped Murray to some extent. But this wasnt about the surfaces it was about how they competed in peak years.

You said everything was in Murray favour over Roddick which was wrong. This ignores the competition he faced too.
 
Slower surfaces helped Murray to some extent. But this wasnt about the surfaces it was about how they competed in peak years.

You said everything was in Murray favour over Roddick which was wrong. This ignores the competition he faced too.
Roddick faced the same competition as Murray did for 6 seasons?????? Raonic in a Wimbledon final????

Roddick also had slower surfaces to contend with his entire career.

??????

Some extent? Lol, Murray wouldn't have even made a slam final in the 90's, before this homogenisation took place.
 

RS

Hall of Fame
Roddick faced the same competition as Murray did for 6 seasons?????? Raonic in a Wimbledon final????

Roddick also had slower surfaces to contend with his entire career.

??????

Some extent? Lol, Murray wouldn't have even made a slam final in the 90's, before this homogenisation took place.
AO was still slower in 90s . And RG was still slow. You still had courts in the 90s were Murray could compete well not everything was faster. And other worse players made slam finals from the 90s to early 00s as well. Murray would have lesser consistency in the 90s sure i agree with that.

You cherrypick Ranoic in a Wim final ignoring that Murray had to compete with much better players as well like a peak Djokovic then a peak Nadal.

You also ignore Roddick poor net approches and average use of the slice which might have not been good in a SUV era as well. He also didnt read the serve well so he gained some benefits to a extent.
 
AO was still slower in 90s . And RG was still slow. You still had courts in the 90s were Murray could compete well not everything was faster. And other worse players made slam finals from the 90s to early 00s as well. Murray would have lesser consistency in the 90s sure i agree with that.

You cherrypick Ranoic in a Wim final ignoring that Murray had to compete with much better players as well like a peak Djokovic then a peak Nadal.

You also ignore Roddick poor net approches and average use of the slice which might have not been good in a SUV era as well. He also didnt read the serve well so he gained some benefits to a extent.
Yes, but Roddick would have been able to play on fast surfaces sometimes during the year. He managed to have a good career on the slower surfaces, what makes you think he wouldn't have a Murray type career if he played on surfaces which were helping him????

I am not cherrypicking anything. In 33% of Murray's slam wins, he played nobodies and a nobody in the final called Raonic. Please can you pick a Raonic calibre opponent that Roddick played.

Roddick has also played the same players Murray has, Roddick just retired earlier.

So which 'much better players' did Murray play that Roddick didn't play? The only player is Nadal at Wimbledon, but that match never happened. Roddick was able to beat Djokovic at AO (Something Murray wasn't able to do), and beat Nadal in his best years (something Murray struggled with).

Murray in the 90's barely makes top 15. He had the wind on his side against Djokovic (who was clearly hampered more) at US Open, and managed to beat Djokovic before Djokovic truly took his grass game to the next level. The only slam he didn't win by luck was when he beat Raonic.

I don't ignore anything about Roddick. I am just saying that Roddick of 03/04 would beat Murray at 3/4 majors, and would kill him at Wimbledon. Roddick in 09 when he was past his best was able to sneak a win over Murray at W. The only reason Murray beat Roddick at W06 was because Roddick downright sucked - he was losing to everyone.


Conditions helped Murray more than Roddick. Deal with it. I am talking about Conditions. You do understand that, right?
 

RS

Hall of Fame
Yes, but Roddick would have been able to play on fast surfaces sometimes during the year. He managed to have a good career on the slower surfaces, what makes you think he wouldn't have a Murray type career if he played on surfaces which were helping him????

I am not cherrypicking anything. In 33% of Murray's slam wins, he played nobodies and a nobody in the final called Raonic. Please can you pick a Raonic calibre opponent that Roddick played.

Roddick has also played the same players Murray has, Roddick just retired earlier.

So which 'much better players' did Murray play that Roddick didn't play? The only player is Nadal at Wimbledon, but that match never happened. Roddick was able to beat Djokovic at AO (Something Murray wasn't able to do), and beat Nadal in his best years (something Murray struggled with).

Murray in the 90's barely makes top 15. He had the wind on his side against Djokovic (who was clearly hampered more) at US Open, and managed to beat Djokovic before Djokovic truly took his grass game to the next level. The only slam he didn't win by luck was when he beat Raonic.

I don't ignore anything about Roddick. I am just saying that Roddick of 03/04 would beat Murray at 3/4 majors, and would kill him at Wimbledon. Roddick in 09 when he was past his best was able to sneak a win over Murray at W. The only reason Murray beat Roddick at W06 was because Roddick downright sucked - he was losing to everyone.


Conditions helped Murray more than Roddick. Deal with it. I am talking about Conditions. You do understand that, right?
1. 2003/04 would beat Murray at 3/4 majors and kill him at Wim. Some reality this is. Murray is bad matchup for big servers like Roddick who cant deal with his slice and variety. Roddick played at prime level in Wim 09 anyway. Worse return but better serving/net-play and BH. The 06 had nothing to with what i said and your bias to Roddick ignores Murray was teenager but points out Roddick was in a slump in 06......

2. I did not say Murray faced better players than Roddick nor was i talking about that. I said you cherrypicked Ranoic to show Murray competition when he has been blocked off/stopped non stop by a peak Djokovic and Nadal.

3. You analysis on how Murray does in the 90s is solely opinion based . And you ignored what i said about the 1990s still having a fair few slow courts. You dont know how Roddick does in the 90s also.

4. Comparing Roddick beating 09 Djokovic at AP to Murray facing a prime Djokovic in all his AO finals has no basis. Roddick was competitive vs Rafa so was Murray who beat Rafa in slams as well. And Murray faced Rafa more in slams.....

5. Who the conditions help more is against the op that Murray had better peak seasons than Roddick. Your said everything was in his favour so it made it look lke you were expanding beyond conditions and talking abut competition too. If Roddick would have a Murray like career is speculation and against the point as well and the same is reverse.

6. Of course Murray Wim 16 final oppenent was not the the best ever i never claimed that. I agree about the grass but Djokovic was very strong in 2012/2013 still and Murray beat him a lot .
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Djokovic made the SF's or better in all slams during this time
Djokovic didn't lost 6-0 7-6 6-0 in a slam final either
Djokovic won a slam and made another final
Djokovic also won WTF


@NatF
Hewitt's USO 2001 draw wasn't weak.


Can't even tell if people are being serious at this point. Didn't he get taken to the brink by Roddick who was playing his first year on tour???? Sampras was awful in 2001. Did anyone see the results he yielded? Why are Hewitt fans building 01 Sampras up to be some kind of force.
Sampras was awful in 2001 except for one tournament LOL. Guess which one.

Sampras beat Rafter, Agassi and Safin just to get to the final.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Hewitt and Roddick is a good point but Federer/Nadal as a combo is hard to argue against. Agassi was not a huge factor outside hc so not sure.
Depends how much stock you put in clay masters meetings for Djokovic, at the slams Hewitt especially had brutal competition in 04-05.
 

RS

Hall of Fame
Depends how much stock you put in clay masters meetings for Djokovic, at the slams Hewitt especially had brutal competition in 04-05.
Lets see

AO 2007 vs 2004- Djokovic
FO 2007 vs 2004- Djokovic
Wim 2007 vs 2004- Hewitt slightly
USO 2007 vs 2004 Hewitt by less than slightly

AO 2008 vs AO 2005- Hewitt
FO 2008 - Djokovic (dont know if Hew played
Wim 2008 vs 2005- Hewitt
USO 2008 vs 2005 equal

Djokovic had a very tough USO 09 so good point seems close at slam level.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Lets see

AO 2007 vs 2004- Djokovic
FO 2007 vs 2004- Djokovic
Wim 2007 vs 2004- Hewitt slightly
USO 2007 vs 2004 Hewitt by less than slightly

AO 2008 vs AO 2005- Hewitt
FO 2008 - Djokovic (dont know if Hew played
Wim 2008 vs 2005- Hewitt
USO 2008 vs 2005 equal

Djokovic had a very tough USO 09 so good point seems close at slam level.
That seems pretty fair.

Obviously we're looking at short timespans but Hewitt had tough draws in his earlier career as well when he was contender where as Djokovic wasn't a contender before 2007. I think Hewitt gets overlooked a little because his years at #1 were when the tour was weak but he had some very tough draws either side of that and even into the back end of the decade. For example Hewitt met Nadal 3x at the FO himself in that decade, in 2006 he would have had a shot at the final even IMO and he would have at least made a SF at Wimby in 2009 without Roddick.
 
Sampras was awful in 2001 except for one tournament LOL. Guess which one.

Sampras beat Rafter, Agassi and Safin just to get to the final.
Hewitt in his prime nearly lost to a young Roddick, this tells you how Hewitt was not that good.


Hewitt simply got lucky, struggled to beat a pre pubescent Roddick, and got the remains of a dead skeleton in Sampras. Why are people acting like Sampras was some unstoppable force in 2001?
 
Lets see

AO 2007 vs 2004- Djokovic
FO 2007 vs 2004- Djokovic
Wim 2007 vs 2004- Hewitt slightly
USO 2007 vs 2004 Hewitt by less than slightly

AO 2008 vs AO 2005- Hewitt
FO 2008 - Djokovic (dont know if Hew played
Wim 2008 vs 2005- Hewitt
USO 2008 vs 2005 equal

Djokovic had a very tough USO 09 so good point seems close at slam level.
The only years any version of Hewitt would score victories would be Djokovic in 2009 and 2017.

Hewitt played a load of nobodies at W04 and got taken to the bakery by the only good player he faced. Djokovic at W07 was beating Nadal on one leg for a time in the SF's. No way does Hewitt of W04 beat Djokovic of W07 (if healthy).
 

RS

Hall of Fame
The only years any version of Hewitt would score victories would be Djokovic in 2009 and 2017.

Hewitt played a load of nobodies at W04 and got taken to the bakery by the only good player he faced. Djokovic at W07 was beating Nadal on one leg for a time in the SF's. No way does Hewitt of W04 beat Djokovic of W07 (if healthy).
We were talking about who had it tougher not who wins in a matchup.
 
That seems pretty fair.

Obviously we're looking at short timespans but Hewitt had tough draws in his earlier career as well when he was contender where as Djokovic wasn't a contender before 2007. I think Hewitt gets overlooked a little because his years at #1 were when the tour was weak but he had some very tough draws either side of that and even into the back end of the decade. For example Hewitt met Nadal 3x at the FO himself in that decade, in 2006 he would have had a shot at the final even IMO and he would have at least made a SF at Wimby in 2009 without Roddick.

He beat Henman and Nalbandian to get to his Wimbledon title. Hardly a tough draw. Djokovic was playing Federer and Nadal across all 4 majors from 07 onwards.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
He beat Henman and Nalbandian to get to his Wimbledon title. Hardly a tough draw. Djokovic was playing Federer and Nadal across all 4 majors from 07 onwards.
Talking outside the ones he won...though there was nothing wrong with his USO.
 
We were talking about who had it tougher not who wins in a matchup.

Ok, and Djokovic still had it tougher seeing as he has continuously met Federer and Nadal from 2007 onwards (played Nadal at FO for first time in 06), even in 08 and 09 it usually took a grand slam champion. Djokovic never lost to a player like Karlovic in his prime the way Hewitt did.

Too much d1ck riding for Hewitt in this thread. Making out like his draws were tough. He played Nalbandian in a Wimbledon final for christ sakes. Only Nadal at the US Open gets friendlier draws.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Hewitt in his prime nearly lost to a young Roddick, this tells you how Hewitt was not that good.


Hewitt simply got lucky, struggled to beat a pre pubescent Roddick, and got the remains of a dead skeleton in Sampras. Why are people acting like Sampras was some unstoppable force in 2001?
Who's acting this way?
 

RS

Hall of Fame
Ok, and Djokovic still had it tougher seeing as he has continuously met Federer and Nadal from 2007 onwards (played Nadal at FO for first time in 06), even in 08 and 09 it usually took a grand slam champion. Djokovic never lost to a player like Karlovic in his prime the way Hewitt did.

Too much d1ck riding for Hewitt in this thread. Making out like his draws were tough. He played Nalbandian in a Wimbledon final for christ sakes. Only Nadal at the US Open gets friendlier draws.
I am not Hewitt fan and certainly don’t pump him up like a lot do . I think with Fed in 04-05 he had it very tough not saying it was better what Djokovic had overall in those years but with a peak Fed he had it hard with all those slam meetings.
 
Who's acting this way?
Your post defending Sampras' form to argue Hewitt was a great player.

Look, people, there is a reason why Hewitt basically did nothing after 02. The emergence of better players.

Hewitt of 01/02 could play in any other era and wouldn't just be slamless, he might be a 250-500 winning player at best. He certainly doesn't win any slams in the 90's.
 
I am not Hewitt fan and certainly don’t pump him up like a lot do . I think with Fed in 04-05 he had it very tough not saying it was better what Djokovic had overall in those years but with a peak Fed he had it hard with all those slam meetings.
But Djokovic was also playing peak Federer at a younger age. Hewitt had a season of playing weak, past prime opposition.

Even with Federer out of the way, he couldn't capitalise. Had the crowd behind him, Safin played the longer match, more pressure on Safin, Safin came out weak, Hewitt managed to throw it away. An overrated player who people somehow rate. Similar to Ferrer, except Ferrer seems like a nice guy, Hewitt comes across are a complete try-hard even in charity events and got spat at. Hewitt can get in the bin.
 

RS

Hall of Fame
But Djokovic was also playing peak Federer at a younger age. Hewitt had a season of playing weak, past prime opposition.

Even with Federer out of the way, he couldn't capitalise. Had the crowd behind him, Safin played the longer match, more pressure on Safin, Safin came out weak, Hewitt managed to throw it away. An overrated player who people somehow rate. Similar to Ferrer, except Ferrer seems like a nice guy, Hewitt comes across are a complete try-hard even in charity events and got spat at. Hewitt can get in the bin.
Your just ranting at this point really I am not even a Hewitt fan.
Fair enough about Djokovic.
 
The only years any version of Hewitt would score victories would be Djokovic in 2009 and 2017.

Hewitt played a load of nobodies at W04 and got taken to the bakery by the only good player he faced. Djokovic at W07 was beating Nadal on one leg for a time in the SF's. No way does Hewitt of W04 beat Djokovic of W07 (if healthy).
2007 Djokovic had a very tight match with 2007 Hewitt << 2004 Hewitt.
 
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