Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by rayoflight110, Jul 4, 2012.
Both superstars but who has a bigger place in history and why?
madonna cus shes the queen of pop!
Madonna is the most overrated singer in the world.
But her industry is more marketable.
I wouldn't call what Madonna does singing. I once saw a live performance and boy was it bad, I mean really really bad. I was shocked that a star of her caliber would be such an average singer. Thankfully for her there are a lot dancers to pick up the slack and she moves pretty well, plus you have all the lights and fireworks show to distract you from her awful singing performance.
What are your fave artists?
Excuse me can we stick to the thread title and not a 'fav artists' thread. Who's more iconic Madge or Feddy Fed Fer
Tennis isn't a mainstream interest, so all the music icons will be ahead of the tennis icons.
Madonna of course. Not many sportsmen will be remembered more for their achievements though. A few footballers maybe. Madonna will be way more famous. I think for instance the beatles are still more famous than Roger TODAY
I thought the title said 'Maradona' lol.
No baby Madonna
Madonna is more famous of course, but I think Roger will be much more respected in history than Madonna. After all, Madonna is just a hyped up pop singer who were used as a marketing tool for show business to make $$$.
people will talk about neither much in 10 years. yeah federer is the GOAT but how much do people outside of tennis talk about sampras now?
tennis is a very big sport but just not the caliber of soccer, baseball or football. players are stars in the game but after they retire only real fans talk about them.
Stop insulting Nadal by referring to him as Madonna!
In order to know Federer you need to have some interest in tennis.
To know Madona, you don't need to do anything she's just famous.
I'm sorrouned by many people who don't even know who Roger is.
Tennis player: 10-12 year career potential
Singer: 1-60 year career potential.
It's kind of a no-brainer why the top singers are better known than the top sportspeople generally.
James Cameron: Terminator (1984), Aliens (1986), The Abyss (1989), Terminator 2 (1991), True Lies (1994), Titanic (1997), Avatar (2009)... He is like a tennis player who only plays one tournament every 2 - 12 years and it's always Wimbledon and he wins it in straight sets every time.
how many talk about Pele now or maradona? only "real" fans talk about the famous ones in their respective sports
Sampras is a poor example IMO; he wasn't even the most popular tennis player of his time.
Pretty funny that someone called Madonna "the most overrated singer in history." Has ANYONE ever said she's a great singer, much less a good singer??!! I've never seen it. Just as nobody ever said John Lennon was a great singer. Commercial success in that business does not demand a great set of pipes.
If you are a sports fan, Federer.
If you are a fan of music, Federer. Definitely Federer.
Madonna was 100 times more well known to the mainstream then Fed has ever been..
Tennis is not exactly huge or well know to many people..
Go ask the average joes out on the street who have never watched tennis and ask if they know who Federer is.. Then ask them if they ever heard of Madonna. You'll get your answer
A lot of shows she is miming to a tape. Elton John had a go at her once and these stupid female "celebrities" on a tv show were saying "how can you sing live when you're dancing like she does?" i was thinking, well done you've just missed the point of MUSIC. they were saying "I'd like to see him do dancing like that" yeah i would like to see madonna write a great song, play an instrument well and sing at the same time.
Madonna is iconic
Madonna. No doubt about it.
some magazine said he is #5 all time
same magazine has madonna at 36
and i know that the beatles were more famous than jesus, but federer aint bigger than madonna
More people will probably remember Madonna than past King and Queen's of England.
Lol exactly. Madonna hands down. Not sure what purpose this topic has.
Madonna is the most succesful female singer of all time. The only muscial acts who have sold more albums than M are The Beatles, Elvis Presley, and Michael Jackson. She has the highest grossing tour by a solo artist with ''Sticky & Sweet Tour''. Her last studio album ''MDNA'' was released last march (her fourth decade now) and has been n° 1 in more than 35 countries.
She is amazing.
Federer actually has talent, Madonna started the trend of ****e pop stars who can't sing live nor write a song to save their lives.
Madonna and MJ were awful, Prince was the best pop star of the 80's.
There are athletes who are popular and will be talked about for a long time. Unfortunately, tennis players are rarely among them. For example, it is hard to believe that Borg was one of the most popular athletes in the world in 1970s. I see pictures from the 70s and the guy had rockstar status. 40 years later, only a few tennis fans remember him. Googling him will get you mostly pictures of underwear models.Sampras is pretty much forgotten even though he retired like 10 years ago.
I doubt people will care much about Federer 20 years from now. All of us Federer fans will be in the former pro sections talking about the good ole days when Federer was playing instead of the young spoiled brats of that time.
And your point is? Hey, I agree with you. Being talented doesn't mean being popular.
Madonna has a record (breaking The Beatles) of 15 straight top 5 singles in the US (from Lucky Star in '84 to Cherish in '89)
To say she can't write her songs is a lie. Madonna at least co-wrote all of her songs since her third album True Blue in 1986. You can check the credits on wiki if you want.
Madonna is much more famous than Fed will ever be. Tennis isn't even the most watched sports.
Exactly. Roger will stop tennis in a few years, but there's like 20/30 classics of Madonna playing on the radio everyday around the world... I don't think it's a fair comparison... Maybe we should compare Roger to an another big star athlete instead.
You have no idea about what you're talking about, I have no clue about music but I don't need to be a genius to know that Michael Jackson and Madonna changed the world of pop music.
Look at their albums sales to find out how many people have bought them.
They also revolutionized the shows with music, dance and performance for different songs.
Some people would be able to give you more insights than I would.
history dont care bout performers
nobody can name sports stars or singers from hundreds o years ago. u remember shakespeare n mozart, not the chumps who got up on stage n performed their stuff
writers n leaders, philosophers n scientists r the ones who get remembered. u know, ppl who created stuff n accomplished stuff of actual significance
hittin a ball over a net or wearin a cone bra dont mean much in wider context o history
Except when his ex-wife shows up with a $5 racquet and beats him.
Rafa Nadal is going to be remembered he has an amazing beautiful video with Shakira which was total art. It was an amazing stuff no.:lol: :mrgreen:
Whoa now, watch what you say. MJ actually wrote or co-wrote most of his music, MJ as an artist is underrated by people like you who think he only sung and dance. He also wrote and produced most if not the majority of his songs.
MJ was an extremely talented singer and performer from an early age, and he did write some of his hits such as Beat It, Billie Jean and others. I do agree prince was much more talented as a musician and songwriter though.
She is hugely successful, and no doubt she is very clever with her image and marketing and also had some catchy tracks - that doesn't mean her music is actually great though, I mean there's no way to prove anyone's music is great, it's all opinion. Also lots of artists "write" songs with the help of 2 or 3 others, I have a feeling most of the time the proven songwriting team hired by the record company do most of the work
They did change things, but not always for the best.
For instance, I think choreographed dance routines, costume changes, big stadium designs etc, are not really the point of music. Madonna was probably one of the people who pioneered miming at "live" shows. That's not a change for te better..
Has to be Madonna, there's really no question here, as the music industry and expodentially bigger then tennis.
Bob Dylan, the 7th greatest singer of all time? lol . the man couldn't hit hold a note to save his life.
Corelli, Pavarotti, Björling are laughing their butts off in the grave.
Actually, Jackson produced hardly any of his songs. He always used a producer - Quincy Jones being the most famous of them. He co-produced only a few of his biggest songs and, even then, it is common for the bigger artists to receive a co-production credit as a sort of back-hander/nod/kudos for letting the others be involved in such a big opportunity.
From the Bad LP onwards he made this a condition of working with him basically (when you're that big you get what you want).
On the song-writing comment, many of his biggest tracks he didn't even co-write:
- Thriller/Rock With You/Baby Be Mine/Off The Wall (Rod Temperton)
- PYT (Quincy Jones)
- The Girl is Mine (Paul McCartney),
- Man in the Mirror (*forgot this one*)
Beat It, Bad, Billie Jean, In The Closet and Wanna Be Starting Something are the bulk of the truly massive tracks which he wrote by himself. Even then, you never really know - people often get given flat fees to sell their writing credit. His last album's title track, This Is It, was supposedly written by him - that is until the original writer (Paul Anka) came forward with his demo tape of it from years earlier.
That said, his songwriting efforts were brilliant, his singing and ad-libbing outstanding... and of course his live performances pretty much beyond compare.
MJ wrote most of his music, you make it seem very scant if you go by radio singles. IMO his best music are his album tracks, which he wrote a good 70% of. As far as the producing thing goes, that's very true. Even though he did pretty much spit songs into his personal tape recorder very close to how they came out when they were done, so they didn't make a huge difference. And the Madonna singing live thing.... she has for at least her last 3 tours. Believe it or not. Look at any amateur footage of her tours and it's live.
I'd say they're more or less equally famous. That is, I would guess that pretty much everybody in the civilized world has heard of both Madonna and Federer.
As far as numbers of viewers/listeners is concerned, Federer has been on worldwide TV at least four times a year for the past eight years. The TV viewer numbers of tennis grand slams has been, I'm guessing, in the tens of millions for each event during that period.
On the other hand, Madonna is on TV only a fraction of that time. Her concerts for a particular year might be attended by more people than those attending Federer's tournament matches (grand slams and others), but I can't recall the last time Madonna was on TV. Her last album sold maybe 500K copies.
So, just regarding those numbers, Federer seems currently more famous.
Then there's the question of which has a bigger place in mainstream history, pop music icons, or professional tennis champions. I would guess pro tennis champions, partly, but not necessarily most importantly, because there's an objective criterion for determing those.
I just remembered that I'm a tennis nut. So, disregard my post #49.
Re the original question, I think it's pretty resistant to any sort of definitive answer.
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