Who will end up with more weeks at #1? Nole or Rafa?

Who will have more weeks at #1 by the end of their careers?


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powerangle

Legend
Before Rafa started his massive run this year, it seemed like Novak, being the consistent robot that he is, was going to continue racking up weeks at the pole position and roll his way past Agassi, Rafa, Borg, in the all-time list.

I believe Novak currently has 97 weeks at the top (according to Wiki), and he only needs a few more weeks to pass up Rafa. This US Open will of course be very crucial. Mathematically, Rafa could grab back the number 1 ranking if he wins the Open (and Nole fails to reach the final)...in which case Rafa will further extend his lead. If Novak maintains his number 1 ranking after USO, he will continue to march towards Rafa, but it seems his hold will be very tenuous and if Rafa could outperform Novak in the fall season (who knows, it is possible...), then Rafa will snatch it back.

If Novak is able to hold #1 through the end of the year, he will make his way pass Rafa by a decent amount, but then again, after AO 2014...Rafa is very likely to get it back, and then mount his charge towards Nole's #1 week total.

It seems like they could be neck-and-neck switching back and forth at #1 within the next year or so, and maybe beyond...(especially with next year's clay court season being advantage Nole to make inroads and possibly reclaiming #1 from Rafa; then Wimby being advantage Rafa to possibly improve on his performance there and reclaiming #1 from Novak). Pretty exciting.

What do you guys think?


1. Roger Federer 302
2. Pete Sampras 286
3. Ivan Lendl 270
4. Jimmy Connors 268
5. John McEnroe 170
6. Björn Borg 109
7. Rafael Nadal 102 *
8. Andre Agassi 101
9. Novak Djokovic 97 *
10. Lleyton Hewitt 80
 
Cvac. Nadal will never get back to #1 for the rest of his career.
Just like when you said he'll never win Acapulco,Barcelona, Madrid, Rome Masters, French Open, Indian wells, Canadian Open, Cincinnati Open, US Open etc etc etc..........You're such a novelty ClARKY...........:twisted:
 

PSNELKE

Legend
Ralph has NOTHING to defend until the Australian Open. Novak on the other hand got a crapload to defend especially at the majors 3200.

Even if Ralph doesnt win the USO, I'm pretty sure he will end the year ranked #1.
 

Backspin1183

G.O.A.T.
Whoever finishes the year #1. Don't think they have a lot of years left in them.

If Novak ends the season #1, he might lose the top ranking for a few months next year post AO but will get it back.

If Nadal achieves YE #1, unless he gets injured again, he'll keep the top ranking for next 1 year or so. He has 0 points to defend at both AO and Wimby + Miami.
 

MTF07

Semi-Pro
Whoever finishes the year #1. Don't think they have a lot of years left in them.

If Novak ends the season #1, he might lose the top ranking for a few months next year post AO but will get it back.

If Nadal achieves YE #1, unless he gets injured again, he'll keep the top ranking for next 1 year or so. He has 0 points to defend at both AO and Wimby + Miami.
And why is he guaranteed to pick up any points at Wimbledon? His results there the last TWO years indicate a trend, and not a positive one.
 

powerangle

Legend
Also: seems like Rafa has more spectacular highs and lows than Novak (discounting Nole's incredible 2011 high of course). If Rafa is playing his best and Novak being closer to his 1.0 self these days, Rafa is the favorite for #1 for the next couple years. But of course Rafa could suddenly have a disappearing act and go MIA for months in which case Novak is more consistent. I don't know if either will be good enough for #1 past 2015 though, so they have to make their mark now and climb as high on the list as they can right now.
 

Backspin1183

G.O.A.T.
And why is he guaranteed to pick up any points at Wimbledon? His results there the last TWO years indicate a trend, and not a positive one.
Because he's too good a player to keep failing at the same Slam for 3 years in a row. I'm not saying he's gonna win the title but he'll do enough to win a few hundred points or more.
 

FreeBird

Legend
Ralph has no points to defend at AO. But after that he played Acapulco, Vina del mar and Sao Paolo. So he has actually 900 points to defend post AO (which means he has to reach SF or better at AO to defend those points).
 
Ralph has no points to defend at AO. But after that he played Acapulco, Vina del mar and Sao Paolo. So he has actually 900 points to defend post AO (which means he has to reach SF or better at AO to defend those points).
He can always play a tune up event for AO to cover his Sao Paolo and Vina del Mar stint. He'll probably play a round in Davis Cup as well. I f he does not play Acapulco, the Miami Masters might replace the ranking scores missed. Reasonable enough ?
 

Morj

Semi-Pro
People need to consider long term, not just up to the next AO. The fact is that Nadal has been one of the most consistently great players of all time, with the most consecutive years winning GS. But, at the same time people need to remember that Nadal is not very good having sustained dominance.

Rafa reaches very high levels of play for certain segments during the season, but he has never been able to keep it up for an extended periods of time which is why it is hard for him to continuously stay no. 1. Even in '08 and '10 he was only good for sections of the year, and even right now, in '13, he has skipped a slam and lost in R1 of another.

Novak on the other hand, has proven to be extremely consistent, and he has been reaching GS Semis and Finals since '10 Wimby. He is just overall a safer bet to accumulate more weeks at no. 1
 

eliars

Hall of Fame
Cvac. Nadal will never get back to #1 for the rest of his career.
How do you like your coffee? Black? With sugar? Milk? Sugar and milk? In this case do you prefer to steam the milk in order to make a cafe áu lait as the French would call it or indeed a cafe latte if we were to find ourselves in the midst of Italy. And what is your general take on foam? Do you like it? Do you hate it? Do you feel indifferent to foam? How do you feel about the little piece of chocolate that usually comes with your coffee if you order a coffee from a coffeehouse. Is it just unnecessary eye candy or do you actually treasure having a little something something for your coffee? Perhaps this dilemma isn't at all an issue for you because you make your own coffee at home? In this case how do you prepare your coffee? Are you the instant coffee type or the filter coffee type? Perhaps you own an espresso machine? If the latter is the case do you sort of look down on other non-espresso coffee drinkers?
Finally what is your take on serving coffee in a glass? I find it a little too contemporary, to be honest with you. Also I usually find drinking coffee in a glass to be unpleasant as there is a chance of you burning your fingers on the glass if the coffee is hot. This is why a cup with a handle is to be preferred for my taste. Cups without handles I don't particularly care for.

Do you like coffee, Clarky?
 

FreeBird

Legend
He can always play a tune up event for AO to cover his Sao Paolo and Vina del Mar stint. He'll probably play a round in Davis Cup as well. I f he does not play Acapulco, the Miami Masters might replace the ranking scores missed. Reasonable enough ?
He might play Doha. But still 900 points is a lot.If he wins US Open, I don't see him losing No. 1 before French Open.
 

FreeBird

Legend
Also: seems like Rafa has more spectacular highs and lows than Novak (discounting Nole's incredible 2011 high of course). If Rafa is playing his best and Novak being closer to his 1.0 self these days, Rafa is the favorite for #1 for the next couple years. But of course Rafa could suddenly have a disappearing act and go MIA for months in which case Novak is more consistent. I don't know if either will be good enough for #1 past 2015 though, so they have to make their mark now and climb as high on the list as they can right now.
Will Murray ever be in the equation? :-?
 

Clarky21

Banned
How do you like your coffee? Black? With sugar? Milk? Sugar and milk? In this case do you prefer to steam the milk in order to make a cafe áu lait as the French would call it or indeed a cafe latte if we were to find ourselves in the midst of Italy. And what is your general take on foam? Do you like it? Do you hate it? Do you feel indifferent to foam? How do you feel about the little piece of chocolate that usually comes with your coffee if you order a coffee from a coffeehouse. Is it just unnecessary eye candy or do you actually treasure having a little something something for your coffee? Perhaps this dilemma isn't at all an issue for you because you make your own coffee at home? In this case how do you prepare your coffee? Are you the instant coffee type or the filter coffee type? Perhaps you own an espresso machine? If the latter is the case do you sort of look down on other non-espresso coffee drinkers?
Finally what is your take on serving coffee in a glass? I find it a little too contemporary, to be honest with you. Also I usually find drinking coffee in a glass to be unpleasant as there is a chance of you burning your fingers on the glass if the coffee is hot. This is why a cup with a handle is to be preferred for my taste. Cups without handles I don't particularly care for.

Do you like coffee, Clarky?
Based on this very odd and out of nowhere diatribe about coffee, I think you need something a little stronger than that to get you back on track. Lol.

Oh, and Nadal still isn't getting back to #1. Cvac would have to be abducted by aliens for it to happen because it won't happen unless he falls off the face of the earth.
 

eliars

Hall of Fame
Based on this very odd and out of nowhere diatribe about coffee, I think you need something a little stronger than that to get you back on track. Lol.

Oh, and Nadal still isn't getting back to #1. Cvac would have to be abducted by aliens for it to happen because it won't happen unless he falls off the face of the earth.
:)

10happehfaces
 

Cup8489

G.O.A.T.
Nole will be less than 5 weeks from passing him, and still won't get to. :lol:
I mean.. i'm not gonna say it's not gonna happen, but it depends on Novak just as much as on Rafa.

I have this funny feeling that we're going to have a showdown of sorts in new york.. I don't see Djokovic losing before the final.
 

granddog29

Banned
I think Nadal. Nadal has already suffered his major decline in 2011 and will probably remain at this sort of level for a few more years. Djokovic being a grinder just like Nadal is likely to suffer his major decline sometime in the next year, and when that happens he likely wont even be competitive with Nadal and an improving Murray.

As for the next 8-12 months before that happens, Nadal looks almost certain to end the year #1 and pretty much has no chance to lose #1 next year until sometime after Wimbledon at the earliest if that is the case.
 

PSNELKE

Legend
I mean.. i'm not gonna say it's not gonna happen, but it depends on Novak just as much as on Rafa.

I have this funny feeling that we're going to have a showdown of sorts in new york.. I don't see Djokovic losing before the final.
It doesnt depend just as much on Novak. Ralph has plenty to pick up till November, whilst Djesus has quite a lot points to defend.
 

granddog29

Banned
I believe the points situation is such that Nadal could reach every final (the likelihood of him doing this is moot) the rest of the year, lose every final to Djokovic (which would be even more unlikely than Nadal reaching every final anyway) and still end the year ranked #1. So at this point it defends some on both, but much more on Nadal.
 
F

FedererWinsWimbledon2014

Guest
Very tough, all depends how much of a gap RNadal builds up.

NDjokovic isn't guaranteed another large chuck of weeks, AMurray will make a run for it. JMDel Potro and the new generation will be emerging soon.
 

Chico

Banned
Novak of course. He is younger and they are virtually tied. Nadal is also an early bloomwer with much more mileage on his body, particulary knees.

Nadal will gain a bit with this temporary back to #1 towards the end of the year, but that will shortlived and easilly nullified by Novak in the next couple of years.
 

5555

Hall of Fame
I think Nadal. Nadal has already suffered his major decline in 2011 and will probably remain at this sort of level for a few more years. Djokovic being a grinder just like Nadal is likely to suffer his major decline sometime in the next year, and when that happens he likely wont even be competitive with Nadal and an improving Murray.
1. Djokovic's body is much less prone to injury than Nadal's
2. Djokovic has played far less matches than Nadal (653:769) and thus accumulation of wear-and-tear is much higher on Nadal's body than Djokovic's
3. Djokovic is one year younger than Nadal
4. Djokovic's style of play is less taxing on body than Nadal's
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
1. Djokovic's body is much less prone to injury than Nadal's
2. Djokovic has played far less matches than Nadal (653:769) and thus accumulation of wear-and-tear is much higher on Nadal's body than Djokovic's
3. Djokovic is one year younger than Nadal
4. Djokovic's style of play is less taxing on body than Nadal's
This all amounts to nothing though. You could say that about almost every guy on tour that is younger than Rafa. The ranking just depends on who plays better tennis and wins matches, there's no guarantee Djokovic has to rise back to his mythical 2011 form. It's been missing since. And it's the only form that wins him slams outside of Australia.
 

Fiji

Legend
This is easy. Djokovic will have more weeks as #1 but Nadal will have more slams by the time they are both retired. A situation similar to JMac and Borg.
 

5555

Hall of Fame
The ranking just depends on who plays better tennis and wins matches
If your body can not keep up with the demands you will not be able to be No. 1

there's no guarantee Djokovic has to rise back to his mythical 2011 form. It's been missing since. And it's the only form that wins him slams outside of Australia.
It can be argued that his "mythical 2011 form" refers to the 41-match winning streak from AO to FO and that at Wimbledon and USO (2011) his level of play was below the level of the "mythical 2011 form". So, it can be argued that Novak does not have to rise back to his "mythical 2011 form" in order to win slams outside of Australia.
 
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Rafa. An argument can be made that Novak has won his last slam at this past AO. Rafa's "style of play" has evolved and he is now trying to end points earlier. Smart move. It will be less pressure on his body and he could honestly have a great 2014.
 

PSNELKE

Legend
If your body can not keep up with the demands you will not be able to be No. 1



It can be argued that his "mythical 2011 form" refers to the 41-match winning streak from AO to FO and that at Wimbledon and USO (2011) his level of play was below the level of the "mythical 2011 form". So, it can be argued that Novak does not have to rise back to his "mythical 2011 form" in order to win slams outside of Australia.
As this is an opinion, it can be argued that this is pure BS.
 
2. Djokovic has played far less matches than Nadal (653:769) and thus accumulation of wear-and-tear is much higher on Nadal's body than Djokovic's
3. Djokovic is one year younger than Nadal
2 is almost entirely due to 3. so that explanation doesnt really work.
 
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